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| --- Log opened Thu May 30 00:09:43 2013 |
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| 00:21 | < [R]> | IE I want a class that has two methods: run() and getHelp(), getHelp |
| 00:22 | < [R]> | Err |
| 00:22 | < [R]> | Is it possible to have a partially incomplete class in Java? |
| 00:22 | < [R]> | Alternatively, can I have a read-only member of a class in Java? |
| 00:22 | <&McMartin> | Java doesn't have C#-style Properties, so beyond "final" you can't really. |
| 00:23 | <&McMartin> | The usual technique is to have a private field (say, help) and then have a getHelp() but no setHelp(). |
| 00:23 | < [R]> | So have a blank run()? |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | Oh! |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | Sorry, I missed the key part of your question |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | That's one way, yeah |
| 00:30 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | The idea here is that you're going to be subclassing it to do these things |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | Right? |
| 00:31 | < [R]> | Yeah, I'll be making anon-classes to do it |
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| 00:35 | < [R]> | WTF... Java.lang is auto imported? |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | Yes |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | Sorry, was afk |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | Anyway |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | You can also declare the class, and run(), to be "abstract" |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | And then not only do you not need to provide a body, it's actually an error to create an instance that doesn't implement what's needed |
| 00:46 | <&McMartin> | If *everything* is a public method and abstract, you can instead make it an "interface" |
| 00:47 | <&McMartin> | Which you "implement" instead of extending, but for anonymous inner classes IIRC the syntax is identical |
| 00:48 | < [R]> | Awesome, thanks |
| 00:52 | <@sshine> | in Matlab, I've got a 112x112 covariance matrix, and I want a submatrix of only the covariances for three of these. |
| 00:54 | <@sshine> | I was hoping I could generate a matrix of tuples of indices, [a b c] * [a b c], and map these with a lookup function |
| 00:54 | <@sshine> | but Matlab doesn't do matrices of tuples. |
| 00:55 | <@sshine> | ahhh. Q([1 18 19], [1 18 19]) did it. |
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| 01:36 | < RichyB> | Weird. My ZNC server can talk to nightstar quite happily but complains "Network is unreachable" when I try to connect to freenode. |
| 01:37 | < RichyB> | I wonder if maybe it's connecting to nightstar via ipv4, freenode via ipv6 and ipv6 transit is currently broken but ipv4 isn't? |
| 01:37 | <@Tamber> | Trying to connect to Freenode over ipv6? |
| 01:37 | <@Tamber> | ...too slow. |
| 01:38 | < RichyB> | Hee :3 |
| 01:39 | < RichyB> | It looks like that's it. I can see "IP6 2a02:2498:1:3c1:6ef0:49ff:fea1:d2ca.35052 > 2a03:280:0:1::1.ircu-3: Flags [S]" in tcpdump's output, and there's no corresponding [S.] packet in reply. |
| 01:39 | < RichyB> | "ping6 2a03:280:0:1::1" says unreachable. |
| 01:40 | <@Tamber> | Nothing here, either |
| 01:40 | <@Tamber> | --- 2a03:280:0:1::1 ping statistics --- |
| 01:40 | <@Tamber> | 37 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 36019ms |
| 01:41 | < RichyB> | Thank you, Tamber. |
| 01:41 | < RichyB> | I guess freenode have temporarily broken their v6 transit. |
| 01:41 | <@Tamber> | And a traceroute seems to die at the first hop after bytemark's innards. |
| 01:41 | < RichyB> | http://ipv6-test.com/ (using the '-D' option to ssh to run a SOCKS proxy) from that server says that I have working ipv6. |
| 01:44 | < RichyB> | Thank you for the help, Tamber. |
| 01:44 | < RichyB> | dig irc.freenode.net AAAA # returns a bunch of different addresses. 2a03:280:0:1::1 is one of them. ping6 to any of the others works, though. |
| 01:45 | < RichyB> | I just cheated by removing irc.freenode.net from ZNC's server list and putting one of the other ipv6 addresses in the servers list instead. |
| 01:46 | < RichyB> | The one I picked (at random) turns out to be in .fi, which is geographically nearby anyway. ^_^ |
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| 10:51 | | * McMartin fiddles with Gambit some |
| 10:52 | <&McMartin> | It seems to have a decent FFI but then nothing uses it. =/ |
| 10:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Maybe they think there's no call for it? |
| 11:11 | | * TheWatcher ...s at the idiots running the new school website |
| 11:12 | <@TheWatcher> | "Yeah, the webpage is encoded in utf8, to get your content to work in it you need to do echo utf8_decode($content);" |
| 11:12 | | * TheWatcher headdesks |
| 11:19 | <~Vornicus> | isn't it the other one that you need to use? |
| 11:20 | <~Vornicus> | encode? |
| 11:20 | | * Vornicus needs to sleep but is working on not taking out the trash. |
| 11:21 | <@TheWatcher> | No; if they were actually serving pages in utf 8, I wouldn't have to do anything: my content is in utf8. |
| 11:21 | <@TheWatcher> | The problem is, they aren't |
| 11:21 | <@TheWatcher> | The pages claim to be utf8 in the meta |
| 11:22 | <@TheWatcher> | The scripts generating their pages are actually sending it in latin-1 |
| 11:24 | <~Vornicus> | |
| 11:24 | <@TheWatcher> | (the response header from their server contains "Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1", which takes precedent over anything specified in the html itself) |
| 11:25 | <~Vornicus> | I always thought it was the other way around |
| 11:25 | <@TheWatcher> | Nope |
| 11:25 | <~Vornicus> | huh. |
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| 11:27 | <~Vornicus> | (I figured it'd be the other way around because the document knows what it is; the server may just be dumb) |
| 11:27 | <@TheWatcher> | http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-html-encoding-declarations#httphead what "The HTTP header information has the highest priority when it conflicts with in-document declarations." |
| 11:28 | <~Vornicus> | (--basically I thought of all the disadvantages and none of the advantages) |
| 11:32 | <@TheWatcher> | Ohgods, it gets better. The faculty team may not even be able to change the encoding the CMS sends in the header, as it's a centrally controlled server. |
| 11:34 | <~Vornicus> | madness |
| 11:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Eyup |
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| 14:11 | | * AnnoDomini scratches head. |
| 14:12 | < AnnoDomini> | I could've sworn I've had binaries on this github project. But I can't even find where one accesses a project's binaries. |
| 14:12 | <@TheWatcher> | You did |
| 14:12 | <@TheWatcher> | Github removed binary hosting |
| 14:13 | <@Azash> | They did? |
| 14:13 | <@Azash> | Dang |
| 14:13 | < AnnoDomini> | The fools! |
| 14:13 | < Syka> | ages ago, wasn't that? |
| 14:13 | < AnnoDomini> | I last updated this project 7 months ago. |
| 14:14 | < Syka> | yeah |
| 14:14 | < Syka> | Dec 11, 2012 |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | https://github.com/blog/1302-goodbye-uploads |
| 14:15 | <@Azash> | I thought binaries were at least somewhat compression-friendly |
| 14:15 | <@Azash> | Oh that way |
| 14:15 | <@Azash> | Yeah nevermind |
| 14:16 | | * Azash derped and thought you meant binaries as part of a project |
| 14:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Ah, no, those still work fine. I wasn't particularly clear there |
| 14:18 | < AnnoDomini> | Augh. What was the command to cancel the most recent commit that wasn't pushed? |
| 14:18 | <@Azash> | git reset --soft HEAD or something like that |
| 14:19 | <@TheWatcher> | git reset --soft HEAD^ |
| 14:19 | <@Azash> | Right, that |
| 14:20 | <@Azash> | http://git-scm.com/book < I hear good things about this |
| 14:24 | < AnnoDomini> | Kurwa. I think I accidentally deleted the files I just wanted not-uploaded. |
| 14:26 | < AnnoDomini> | How do I tell git to "ignore everything I did today and pretend I did nothing"? |
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| 14:30 | <@TheWatcher> | have you committed anything you've done today? |
| 14:31 | < AnnoDomini> | I have used "add", "rm" and "commit". I did not push. The remote repository is untouched. |
| 14:31 | < AnnoDomini> | I want to undo all three that I've used. |
| 14:31 | < AnnoDomini> | Clean slate, initial condition. |
| 14:32 | <@TheWatcher> | `git fetch origin && git reset --hard origin/master` should do the trick, I believe |
| 14:33 | < AnnoDomini> | OK. Didn't restore the deleted files, but I guess that was permanent. Fortunately, those were just binaries, which I can simply reconstruct. |
| 14:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | If the deleted files weren't in version control, there's no way for it to restore them. |
| 14:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | If they were, reset --hard should restore them; if it didn't either they weren't actually or you reset to the wrong commit. |
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| 14:42 | < AnnoDomini> | Yeah, they weren't in version control. |
| 14:42 | < AnnoDomini> | No matter, I'm reconstituting them. |
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| 15:36 | <@iospace> | there's a jet on my desk at work ._. |
| 15:36 | <@iospace> | (Actually there's not, but it's a development system with two 40mm fans going at full speed, so it sounds like one :P) |
| 15:40 | < thalass> | There are 14 jets at my work. :P |
| 15:40 | <@TheWatcher> | And you don't want any of them on your desk |
| 15:41 | <@TheWatcher> | (unless it's a /really big/ desk..) |
| 15:41 | < thalass> | I would have to buy a new desk! And house! |
| 15:42 | <@Azash> | iospace: Reminds me of when my student society got gifted some old Sun 4U server |
| 15:42 | <@Azash> | It sounded like a plane about to take off when it was powered on |
| 15:45 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 15:45 | | * iospace has it powered down right now |
| 15:45 | | * thalass chuckles |
| 15:54 | <@Azash> | Hm, I wonder if I could build a small rack setup to use to support one side of my desk |
| 16:05 | | * iospace looks at this code she's porting, shudders |
| 16:05 | <@iospace> | MAGIC NUMBERS D: |
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| 16:20 | <@Azash> | iospace: Call the maintainer and request an abjurer |
| 16:20 | | * iospace shrugs |
| 16:21 | <@celticminstrel> | ...what's the context on that? |
| 16:24 | <@Azash> | 17:05 * iospace looks at this code she's porting, shudders |
| 16:24 | <@Azash> | 17:05 <@iospace> MAGIC NUMBERS D: |
| 16:24 | < Syka> | why is JS so messy |
| 16:24 | < Syka> | :( |
| 16:25 | <@iospace> | because it's JS? |
| 16:27 | < Syka> | ...true |
| 16:27 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Azash: for a while Orias was a decomissioned CA-6825 cache with ten disks and nine fans in it. |
| 16:27 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | The power up sequence was...impressive. |
| 16:28 | <@Azash> | Orias? |
| 16:28 | <@Azash> | That sounds pretty impressive alright, regardless |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | (sorry, CA-6285) |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | My server. |
| 16:28 | <@Azash> | Did you ever try stress testing the disk writes? |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | Ah |
| 16:29 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | But yeah, you turn it on and it spends a few seconds spinning up all the fans, then spins up and head-checks each disk in turn, with accompanying flashing power lights |
| 16:30 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | And once it's done that, all the activity lights ripple as it boots and assembles the RAID. |
| 16:30 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I wish I'd recorded it. |
| 16:30 | <@Azash> | So do I, now |
| 16:30 | <@Azash> | :P |
| 16:31 | < Syka> | there was this server, that I swear the HDD lights did a wave |
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| 17:06 | | * Azash gets a brilliant IRC bot idea: An oregon trail bot that lets you take an action every 15 minutes |
| 17:10 | < Syka> | that has some brilliant optimisation paths too |
| 17:11 | < Syka> | def onAction(player, action): return "you have died of dysentery, " + player.name |
| 17:11 | <@Azash> | Haha |
| 17:11 | <@Azash> | I just need to find the original source, which might be hard |
| 17:18 | <@iospace> | i reserve the right to skullfuck anyone who uses magic numbers in production code |
| 17:18 | | * Tamber hands iospace the Hammer of Righteous Smiting |
| 17:19 | | * [R] guesses he gets skullfucked by iospace then. |
| 17:20 | <@iospace> | [R]: i make exceptions for -1, 0, 1, and occasionally 2 |
| 17:20 | < [R]> | TBH I can't be assed to define that error code when it's only used on one line. |
| 17:20 | <@iospace> | the person who looks at that code next hates you |
| 17:20 | < [R]> | iospace: it's the "no such method" error code for JSON-RPC. |
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| 17:21 | < [R]> | Oh, did the same thing with "that's not JSON you twat" error code too. |
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| 17:21 | | * iospace shrugs |
| 17:22 | < [R]> | Oh, what about HTTP status codes? |
| 17:22 | <@iospace> | i'm talking low level, embedded stuff |
| 17:22 | <@iospace> | stuff that ToxicFrog|W`rkn loves~ |
| 17:22 | < [R]> | Not stuff that's in standard docs? |
| 17:23 | <@iospace> | what do you mean by that? |
| 17:24 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | iospace: stuff that has been standardized, is codified in a standards document, and thus won't change. |
| 17:25 | <@iospace> | ah, like UEFI? yeah :P |
| 17:25 | <@iospace> | :V |
| 17:25 | < [R]> | Well, all my magic numbers are from standard docs. Either they: appear once in a function designed to handle the case where they come up or they're well known codes (200 and 404 for HTTP) |
| 17:25 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Even then I would at least comment it so that future me knows what the number is. |
| 17:25 | <@iospace> | yeah |
| 17:25 | <@iospace> | no, this is all uncommented |
| 17:25 | <@iospace> | no indication as to /what/ the number is |
| 17:25 | < [R]> | Ah |
| 17:26 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | And if used multiple times I'd probably create a name for it; json.error/no-such-method is easier to remember, if longer to type, than whatever the actual numeric constant is. |
| 17:26 | < [R]> | Alright, yeah. Well my HTTP stuff is like that. The JSON stuff has the plain-text error message withing a line or two. |
| 18:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Firefox's web console seems to have issues... when I add things to built-in prototypes it sometimes doesn't see them. |
| 19:51 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | meeting canceled \o/ |
| 20:09 | <@iospace> | hahah |
| 20:09 | <@iospace> | those are the best :D |
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| 20:58 | | * TheWatcher swears at emacs desktop mode, disables it because it's actively getting in the way now |
| 21:03 | <@iospace> | protip: don't use emacs |
| 21:03 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 21:03 | <&McMartin> | Emacs... desktop mode? |
| 21:04 | <&McMartin> | Also, I went through the morning's whole convo and still can't tell whether you're talking numbers like 0xcafebabe or magic numbers like manually inlining your constants |
| 21:05 | <&McMartin> | (0xcafebabe being the first four bytes of a Java .class file and how you tell it is one) |
| 21:11 | <@Azash> | I imagine they mean magic numbers as in numbers that have no obvious logic behind them |
| 21:11 | <@Azash> | See: fast inverse square root |
| 21:12 | <&McMartin> | That's not a usage I'm familiar with for that, I guess |
| 21:15 | <@TheWatcher> | McM: it's a mode for emacs that saves and restores the buffers you have open, kill ring contents and some other bits and pieces |
| 21:16 | <@Azash> | The opposite applies to me: I associate magic numbers with unexplained/un-variabled constants to the point where I once embarrassed myself in a conversation where the other party actually meant the identifier-type magic numbers like 0xCAFEBABE |
| 21:17 | <@TheWatcher> | The documentation claims that it loads and saves such gubbins to .emacs-desktop in cwd. It lies, and it only seems to load and save from ~/.emacs.d/.emacs-desktop |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | Azash: I'm trying to figure out if there are two or three definitions being talked about here >_> |
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| 21:19 | <@Azash> | McMartin: Well.. I suppose you could see it as three but I used fast inverse square root as the terror example of "why didn't you use some kind of name for this" :P (granted that in that case it's hard to name it in a helpful way) |
| 21:20 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | McMartin: magic numbers as in inlining your constants. |
| 21:20 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Stuff like 0xCAFEBABE I think of as "file magic" or "fingerprint numbers". |
| 21:21 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | TheWatcher: back when I used emacs it saved and restored from cwd as expected; is there some configuration thing you've flipped, maybe? |
| 21:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Nope; it was working fine until the last update of emacs, then it stopped working for no reason I can trace :/ |
| 21:24 | <@TheWatcher> | I should pull both versions and check the desktop.el I guess |
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| 21:38 | <@TheWatcher> | Ah, there we go |
| 21:38 | <@TheWatcher> | 24.3 changelog: 'desktop-path no longer includes the "." directory. Desktop files are now located in ~/emacs.d by default' |
| 21:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Brilliant, guys. |
| 21:39 | <@Tamber> | Lovely. |
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| 22:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, they pulled '.' from the path because '.' == '~' after login, and .emacs.desktop files saved in ~/ were apparently screwing with some KDE program that lost its shit because it couldn't parse it. So rather than slap the KDE devs, they decided that henceforth desktops should go in user-emacs-directory, and broke the behaviour of desktop.el that people had been relying on for years. |
| 22:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Idiots. |
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| 22:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Gaah, # does not work as a comment marker in c++ |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | Indeed it does not, it's the token paster or something horrible |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | You want // |
| 22:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Apparently! |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | (Which is generally better than /* */ because it "nests" properly) |
| 22:47 | < Turaiel> | Anyone here used HughesNet? |
| 22:49 | <@TheWatcher> | (it's funny the bits of perl that bleed over when I'm doing c++, comments are the common ones, 'sub' happens sometimes, but sigils almost never bleed) |
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| 23:13 | <@froztbyte> | that's probably because the sigils usually start out as blood ;p |
| 23:15 | <~Vornicus> | I've never heard of hughesnet |
| 23:16 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
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