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05:37 | <~Vornicus> | All right, so. You have a button which, when you press it, will reveal more of the page. I presume you have Quite A Few Of These |
05:39 | <~Vornicus> | Are they all 'buttons'? or do they include such things as dropdowns, radio buttons, check boxes...? |
05:40 | < Mahal> | I am going to attempt to KISS and them all be radio buttons. |
05:40 | < Mahal> | some of these will be a case of press button, another set of buttons, press that, more buttons, finally some text. |
05:40 | <~Vornicus> | Radio buttons are not that hard. Allow me a few moments to remember the pieces. Oh. |
05:41 | <~Vornicus> | pre-9 IE, or something sane? |
05:42 | < Mahal> | 9 IE should be fine. |
05:43 | <~Vornicus> | okay |
05:44 | < Mahal> | [note that I am doing my own homework too. but asking for help didn't seem dumb.] |
05:46 | <~Vornicus> | okay so there's a CSS property called "display" |
05:48 | <~Vornicus> | set it to "none" and the thing with that property won't render and won't be counted for flow. Set it to something else to get it back. |
05:49 | <~Vornicus> | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/display |
05:49 | <~Vornicus> | You'll probably want to use a single type of major object to hold the things. divs or something |
05:50 | <~Vornicus> | That makes picking the right thing to set it back to (I believe divs use 'block') trivial |
05:51 | <~Vornicus> | as for the radio buttons, let me remember how it goes |
05:53 | <~Vornicus> | You need to set the onclick listener. If you do this through regular HTML you need it to be my_radio_button_click_function(self); setting it through addEventListener you just hand it the function: radio_button.addEventListener(my_radio_button_click_function); |
05:54 | <~Vornicus> | The latter takes an implied argument of 'self' and then you can set the styles. |
05:55 | <~Vornicus> | I'm working on it in the background |
05:58 | | * Mahal nods. |
06:03 | <~Vornicus> | oh, and you have to keep the one that you currently have selected around. |
06:04 | < Mahal> | yes. |
06:04 | < Mahal> | that's fairly necessary from a user viewpoint anyway. |
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06:27 | <~Vornicus> | let's see how I did. |
06:30 | < [R]> | Mahal wanted to make an Accordion? |
06:31 | <~Vornicus> | Not bad, just one really silly typo |
06:32 | <~Vornicus> | http://pastebin.com/RunF1qTF try that out. I can't test IE from here at all. |
06:35 | < [R]> | Instead of storing things in .name and .value, you can do: .id.replace(/radio$/, 'content') |
06:35 | < [R]> | That way you don't have potential errors from forgetting to update the .value with the .id |
06:36 | <~Vornicus> | .name is important to the HTML anyway |
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06:36 | <~Vornicus> | If it's not there and set the same everywhere the radio buttons aren't radio buttons |
06:36 | <~Vornicus> | well, for every group |
06:36 | <~Vornicus> | but that's a true thing |
06:43 | < [R]> | Interesting, TIL: clicking an <input>'s <label> will trigger the <input>'s onclick (at least on Chrome) |
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06:44 | <~Vornicus> | oh, right, that is true and actually the thing I was trying to remember what it was |
06:44 | <~Vornicus> | (that's how it's supposed to work) |
06:49 | <~Vornicus> | this code is really not awesome and probably will need some reworking to get certain things done - it kind of expects there to be only one level of radio buttons |
06:51 | < [R]> | Looks like it'll work with a second set... |
06:52 | <~Vornicus> | right, but consider this set of questions: what make of car do you have? (toyota, ford, volkswagen). What model is it? (corolla, yaris, prius) or (focus, taurus, f-150) or (golf, new beetle, rabbit) |
06:53 | < [R]> | Yeah, it works fine. |
06:53 | <~Vornicus> | And then further along. If I select toyota - corolla and then switch over to ford, the content I've displayed for corolla will still be there, unless it's also a child of make_toyota_content |
06:53 | < [R]> | Oh, you want the groups to be linked somehow |
06:54 | <~Vornicus> | it's nested groups that are the difficulty |
06:55 | <~Vornicus> | anyway, shower time. |
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06:56 | < [R]> | What if you marked the <input> as being part of a set of lists, then had the code mash together a real.... |
06:56 | < [R]> | w/e |
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07:18 | <~Vornicus> | *+999999999999999999999999999777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 77777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 |
07:18 | <~Vornicus> | 7777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 |
07:19 | <~Vornicus> | Kitty has important information. |
07:20 | <~Vornicus> | There's probably a lot of cool things you could do to make this somewhat more awesome but I was in a hurry. You can probably, for better styling, simply add and delete the no-display class from the element's class list |
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07:26 | | * Vornicus pokes at Mahal |
07:37 | | * Mahal waves. |
07:37 | < Mahal> | I am about to go arrange foods |
07:38 | < Mahal> | and I can muck about once I have a starting point :) |
07:38 | | * Mahal hug-a-Vorn, depart nomwards. |
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13:00 | < Reiver> | HEY VORN |
13:00 | < Reiver> | Stupid Math Tricks! |
13:00 | < Reiver> | Dicepool system, 5+ on a d6 is a success. |
13:01 | < Reiver> | What's the curve look like for 14d minus 1d6 successes? |
13:02 | < Reiver> | Or, no, wait, this is even better |
13:02 | < Reiver> | 1d6 - 14d5+ |
13:02 | <~Vornicus> | I think I've lost the thread here |
13:02 | < Reiver> | OK. |
13:03 | < Reiver> | Roll a d6. |
13:03 | <~Vornicus> | I'm also dead tired and should be in bed |
13:03 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, rolled |
13:03 | <~Vornicus> | I got a 4 |
13:03 | < Reiver> | Then roll 14 dice, count the 5s and 6s |
13:03 | <~Vornicus> | okay |
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13:03 | < Reiver> | Say you get 3 |
13:03 | <~Vornicus> | I got 5 |
13:03 | < Reiver> | Then you're at 0. |
13:04 | <~Vornicus> | wait, how did you get 0? |
13:04 | < Reiver> | (Anything less than 0 counts as 0. Anything more than 6 counts as 6.) |
13:04 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. |
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13:04 | < ErikMesoy> | reiver: have you tried http://topps.diku.dk/torbenm/troll.msp ? |
13:04 | < Reiver> | (I was about to get to tht when you made my example complicated~) |
13:04 | < Reiver> | ErikMesoy: I'm not really sure how to code this thing into it |
13:04 | < Reiver> | I use it for simple stuff but this one is /weird/ |
13:05 | <~Vornicus> | So, 1d6 - 14x1/3, clamped to 0-6 |
13:05 | < Reiver> | It's mixing die systems, which is henious and wrong and it's in a written publication and I'm trying to comprehend just what it does to the curve. |
13:05 | < ErikMesoy> | Reiver: something like (accumulate xd6 while x>4)-(1d6) |
13:05 | < Reiver> | (It's for grenade scatter in Shadowrun.) |
13:06 | < Reiver> | (I sort of stared at it and went "... Really?") |
13:13 | < Reiver> | Erik: Is there any way to group "6+" and ">1" as categories with this thing? |
13:13 | < ErikMesoy> | I dunno. I mostly suggested it because it was online. Me, I wrote a Python snippet for this. |
13:14 | < ErikMesoy> | On 10000 trials, scatter distances 0-6 came up 30, 241, 772, 1545, 2171, 2089 and 3152 times. |
13:15 | <~Vornicus> | 0.7395559120.1149679210.0792500780.0435322360.0175556230.0045673170.000570915 |
13:15 | < ErikMesoy> | If you want it: http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/561 |
13:18 | <~Vornicus> | I think we have landed in different time zones with our thoughts here |
13:18 | < Reiver> | Those numbers don't add up do they. |
13:19 | < Reiver> | Huh. |
13:19 | < Reiver> | Still, those numbers are pretty interesting |
13:19 | < ErikMesoy> | Vornicus: this is quite probable, seeing as you are sleepy and I am not really paying attention. |
13:19 | < ErikMesoy> | Reiver: go write your own script. :P |
13:19 | < Reiver> | 74% of the time, it's 0. 11% of the time, it's 1. Etc, yes? |
13:19 | < Reiver> | According to Vorns. |
13:20 | < Reiver> | ErikMesoy: I should learn python again. |
13:20 | < Reiver> | And math. |
13:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | You should! |
13:20 | <~Vornicus> | Oh, erik missed it, he forgot to subtract a d6. |
13:20 | | * Reiver mumbles. |
13:20 | <~Vornicus> | or other way around |
13:21 | <~Vornicus> | Reiver: maybe you should do Kaura's homework for him, grump grump grump |
13:21 | < Reiver> | snerk |
13:21 | < Reiver> | I just might. |
13:21 | < Reiver> | It'd be pretty part-timer stuff, though. |
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13:31 | < Reiver> | Damn. Shoulda begged Vorn for the code, heh |
13:39 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm reading about a programming academy which purports to teach a lot of skills in just 10 weeks. Where should I rate them on the scale of "doable with good teachers" to "Instant Programmer, Just Add Water" when the curriculum covers the following? |
13:39 | < ErikMesoy> | Python and its associated web frameworks; Pair programming; Git and source control; Interview skills; SQL and ORMs, and NoSQL; HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and WebSockets; Deploying into EC2 and GAE; Terminal shells, grep, netcat, and other *nix command-line fu; Message queues, batch processing, distributed processing. |
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13:41 | <@Azash> | Python is fairly quick to pick up, web frameworks maybe not |
13:41 | <@Azash> | Pair programming is a pretty basic concept to learn; developing it is what will take time |
13:42 | <@Azash> | Git is one of those "fifteen minutes to learn, a lifetime to master" things |
13:42 | | * Azash passes the mic to someone else |
13:46 | < JBeshir> | Given the time they have, they could basically only be pointing in the direction of and explaining how to get started with each of those things before moving on. |
13:47 | < JBeshir> | Getting them to know how to get a Hello World-level example thing done with that technology. |
13:47 | <@Azash> | You could get a decent intro if it's ten weeks total |
13:48 | < JBeshir> | Assuming that the target audience already knows how to program, that could be useful. |
13:48 | <@Azash> | How many hours per week? |
13:48 | < JBeshir> | It definitely couldn't get someone to the point where they're going to be comfortable with all those things, though. |
13:48 | < ErikMesoy> | Azash: full time (so I figure around 40) |
13:48 | < JBeshir> | ~2 days for SQL? Intro and knowing how to find out more, yes. Comfortable writing complex software backed by SQL, not so much. |
13:49 | | * ErikMesoy couldn't learn those things in 10 weeks. |
13:49 | | * ErikMesoy could read about them on Wikipedia in 10 weeks. :P |
13:49 | < JBeshir> | In full time, that could be a fascinating and useful course to get someone a broad background in technologies such that they knew roughly the gist of what they were for and how to find out how to use them. |
13:49 | < JBeshir> | Said someone would need to be pretty smart, though, and already know how to program. |
13:50 | <@Azash> | Well, for example PP and "interview skills" probably doesn't take up a lot of time |
13:50 | < JBeshir> | With good teachers and good students. |
13:50 | < JBeshir> | Yeah, but that still only gives two days each for SQL and ORMs |
13:51 | < JBeshir> | Maybe a decent intro, not going to 'teach' you them |
13:51 | <@Azash> | JBeshir: 10 *weeks* |
13:51 | <@Azash> | 40 hour weeks |
13:51 | < JBeshir> | Azash: 10 weeks, one of those weeks is "interview skills, SQL, and ORMs". |
13:51 | < JBeshir> | Azash: Let's say the former takes a day, that gives you 2 days each for the other two. |
13:51 | <@Azash> | I presume they are not listed week by week, as Erik listed 9, not 10 |
13:52 | <@Azash> | Also there's a semicolon after interview skills |
13:52 | < JBeshir> | Ah, right. I should be reading that as SQL, ORMs, and NoSQL. |
13:52 | < ErikMesoy> | I have semicolons where the original had bullet points |
13:53 | < JBeshir> | If they don't try to teach basic programming and move fast on things like 'interview skills' and 'pair programming' in order to give things like SQL four days rather than two |
13:54 | < JBeshir> | You could get a passable intro at a breakneck pace- the only problem is that, in practice, courses do not do "passable intros at a breakneck pace" |
13:54 | < JBeshir> | They move at a pace comfortable for most students, which means that you're probably still only looking at very introductory stuff |
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13:55 | < JBeshir> | Still, fair point, since it's not week by week they could schedule things so that less brilliant students could get the gist of each of those things in the time allocated. |
13:56 | < JBeshir> | I would say doable with good teachers if the students can already program and you're only expecting the basics of each thing. |
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16:38 | <&McMartin> | Wat |
16:39 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | McMartin: turns out quotes from the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah are thematically appropriate for some projects~ |
16:39 | <&McMartin> | The GLORIOUS CLEANSING |
16:40 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | >.> |
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17:03 | < ErikMesoy> | How can I deliberately throttle my local connection? |
17:05 | < AverageJoe> | linux or windows? |
17:05 | < ErikMesoy> | windows. Google is yielding results on how horrible telcos are throttling connections. |
17:06 | < AverageJoe> | download many things at once |
17:06 | < AverageJoe> | that's the easiest way |
17:06 | < AverageJoe> | big things |
17:08 | < ErikMesoy> | Heh. No, seriously, I want to have other things run in the background (like torrents) at low rates for the sake of Skype et al, without having to tweak each torrent program individually |
17:08 | < Syk> | ....so you're meaning throttle individual programs? |
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17:09 | < Syk> | I don't even think that's possible |
17:09 | < ErikMesoy> | Yes, or a whole computer (for the sake of another computer) |
17:09 | < Syk> | chuck an Astaro gateway in front of it, do packet inspection |
17:09 | < Syk> | or whatever it does |
17:09 | < Syk> | port inspection |
17:10 | <@Azash> | Port packeting? |
17:10 | < Syk> | Azash: sure let's call it that |
17:10 | < Syk> | Port Packeting Technology(R)(TM) |
17:10 | < Syk> | it's probably easier to do QoS on your router, ErikMesoy |
17:14 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, QoS is the official term for what you describe here |
17:14 | < Syk> | yeah |
17:14 | <&McMartin> | "Quality of Service", which actually means "deliberately making stuff you don't care about turnaroudn time on suck so that stuff you *do* care about response time for is zippy") |
17:14 | < Syk> | the router would be the best place, as any OS level things are probably a) hax or b) ugly hax |
17:15 | <&McMartin> | Things that direly need this in the consumer space: Windows Update >_< |
17:15 | | * ErikMesoy finds NetLimiter which purports to do this. |
17:15 | | * Syk gets the "YOU HAVE UPDATES PENDING, RESTART NOW?" box and pops it up right as McMartin hits enter, with 'YES REBOOT AND LOSE EVERYTHING :D' as primary |
17:17 | | * ErikMesoy gets a warning about unsigned driver when running the installer. <_< |
17:18 | < [R]> | QoS normally just functions as normal until it has to start figguring out which packets to drop at which point it no longer functions as normal |
17:18 | < AverageJoe> | what if you were to set a threads priority really really low? would that affect it? |
17:18 | < AverageJoe> | probably not |
17:18 | < [R]> | Depends on system load. |
17:21 | <&McMartin> | The idea here is usually less "only do stuff when I'm not doing stuff" and more "Never use more than 20% of my capacity" |
17:22 | <&McMartin> | It's most important if you're trying to host a server and don't want your system update stuff to devour all the bandwidth you'd rather spend receiving requests from users |
17:22 | < AverageJoe> | how many hard drives could you fit in the back of a car? |
17:22 | < Syk> | ErikMesoy: see: a) hax or b) ugly hax |
17:22 | < AverageJoe> | few hundred? |
17:23 | < Syk> | AverageJoe: yes |
17:23 | < Syk> | well |
17:23 | < Syk> | a hundred, at least |
17:23 | < AverageJoe> | say they're 1 tb each. you could transport 100 TB of data around the country faster than downloading. |
17:24 | < AverageJoe> | i need to get to bed, im not making any sense |
17:25 | < Syk> | AverageJoe: yeah |
17:25 | < Syk> | there's a saying about this |
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17:26 | < AverageJoe> | are you the same syk thats also on #evilnet? |
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17:26 | < Syk> | "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. --Tanenbaum, Andrew S." |
17:26 | < Syk> | AverageJoe: ...evilnet? |
17:26 | < AverageJoe> | that would be a no |
17:26 | < Syk> | there's more than one Syk? |
17:26 | < Syk> | dammit, I thought I was unique :| |
17:26 | < AverageJoe> | <syk> u work at target u aint bout that #yachtlife |
17:28 | < Syk> | okay yeah that's not me :P |
17:38 | <@Tamber> | Yeah, this Syk is incoherent rage; not incoherent dribble. |
17:39 | | * Azash snorts |
17:39 | <&McMartin> | .... |
17:39 | <&McMartin> | If you had coherent rage |
17:39 | <&McMartin> | Could you build A RAGE LASER? |
17:39 | <&McMartin> | Because I suddenly want one |
17:39 | <@Tamber> | Coherent rage is scary. |
17:40 | < Syk> | I can coherently rage |
17:40 | < Syk> | I just don't do it on the internet |
17:40 | <&McMartin> | RAGELAZORZ |
17:40 | < Syk> | do not, ever, ever be a company that I'm complaining to |
17:40 | <@Tamber> | Syk, because it's too hard to "fgdsfgdsfdgsgdasgdasgdasfds" IRL |
17:40 | < Syk> | because I'm fucking scary |
17:41 | <@Azash> | Tamber: No it's not, just ask a Dane! |
17:41 | < Syk> | Tamber: well, yes, I have to focus my rage :P |
17:42 | < Syk> | I like how the other week I managed to get a Telstra guy to cancel an entire $109 bill that'd gone to the debt collectors in ten minutes |
17:42 | < Syk> | it was great |
17:42 | <@Tamber> | Azash, isn't that "gds?gdsfgkkpl?gdsfae"? |
17:42 | <@Azash> | That's a homonym |
17:42 | <@Azash> | Er |
17:43 | <@Azash> | Homophone |
17:43 | < Syk> | homophone: makes your voice sound fabulous |
17:44 | <@Tamber> | chya~ |
17:49 | | Syk is now known as syksleep |
17:58 | < AverageJoe> | rage? |
17:58 | < AverageJoe> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Oj8e89kxw4 |
18:00 | <@Azash> | AverageJoe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmWLkjJ5YsE |
18:13 | | * McMartin arghbargles at this code |
18:13 | <&McMartin> | This is code written by a small number of focused and very smart people. |
18:13 | <&McMartin> | Who have never used this language or library before, and its defaults were not what they clearly thought they were. |
18:13 | | * McMartin attempts to reconcile these things. |
18:21 | < syksleep> | argh help |
18:21 | < syksleep> | i am supposed to be sleeping |
18:21 | < syksleep> | not rewriting my build scripts to increase code reuse |
18:22 | | * McMartin shoryukens syk |
18:22 | <&McMartin> | Go sleep! |
18:22 | < syksleep> | help |
18:22 | < syksleep> | oh |
18:22 | | * syksleep dies |
18:22 | < syksleep> | this works |
18:22 | <&McMartin> | The flowchart never lies |
18:22 | < syksleep> | flowchart? |
18:22 | <&McMartin> | Running joke amongst Street Fighter players, the flowchart for playing Ken |
18:23 | <&McMartin> | In which all roads lead to shoryuken, including cases where it's a bad idea |
18:23 | <&McMartin> | Ending with "Did you lose?" -Y-> "Have we learned anything?" -Y-> "Really?" -N-> "(Start)" |
18:23 | < syksleep> | heehee |
18:23 | <&McMartin> | (There is no -Y-> arrow from "Really?") |
18:24 | < syksleep> | ok so, sometimes my after-compression doesnt show up |
18:31 | < AverageJoe> | i never played sf4 |
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18:49 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | ErikMesoy: for throttling torrents specifically, most torrent programs let you do. For the general case, yeah, QoS. |
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19:40 | <@Alek> | X: "What's better, Win8 or Linux Mint 14?" Y: "What's better, a spoon or a fork?" Z: "A fork, it's more interesting eating soup with it." |
19:41 | | * Tamber sighs, grumbles. |
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19:41 | < ErikMesoy> | Win7. |
19:41 | <@Tamber> | For future reference, id="expiry" and name="expiry" don't do the same thing. |
19:41 | <@Tamber> | If you don't use the latter, your select box won't be POSTed, and you will be trying to figure out why things are using the default expiry, no matter what you set. |
19:42 | < [R]> | In HTML? |
19:42 | <@Tamber> | Yes. |
19:58 | < Turaiel> | I could have told you that :P |
19:59 | <@Tamber> | Yeah, well; why didn't you?! >:C |
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19:59 | <@Tamber> | On the bright side, it *does* explain why the "expire in one hour" option wasn't working~ |
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21:48 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | death to c++ |
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22:02 | <&McMartin> | solidarity bro |
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23:54 | <@Tamber> | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14556313/SAM_0959.JPG *chuckle* |
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