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| 00:48 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 01:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 01:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | 18 seconds to load and decompress 600k of data. |
| 01:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | That...is a bit slow. |
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| 04:47 | <@Tarinaky> | http://robohub.org/video-throwing-and-catching-an-inverted-pendulum-with-quadroc opters/ |
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| 08:17 | <~Vornicus> | good lord, the feats stuff is absolutely insane. |
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| 15:49 | <@froztbyte> | there's a vorn missing |
| 15:49 | <@froztbyte> | and I want to ask a vorn about vorn's last remark |
| 15:51 | < jeroud> | froztbyte: He's building a D&D character generator. |
| 15:52 | <@froztbyte> | ah |
| 15:57 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh... |
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| 20:56 | < ShellNinja> | Hmm. Is there any way to make an iPad talk to a Motorola smartphone? |
| 20:57 | <@Tamber> | iAcoustic iCoupler? |
| 20:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Bluetooth? *shrug* |
| 20:58 | <@froztbyte> | ShellNinja: ...what do you mean? |
| 21:00 | <@RStamer> | "Talk" in which way? |
| 21:00 | <@Haeroe> | https://github.com/jbangert/trapcc |
| 21:00 | < ShellNinja> | Bluetooth. If I understood the request correctly, to get Internet access through the phone. |
| 21:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, tethering. |
| 21:03 | <@TheWatcher> | The phone's service provider may not allow it, but if it does you can set up the phone to act as a WAP, connect the iPad to the phone over wireless, and then you can get to the net via the phone. |
| 21:04 | <@TheWatcher> | (some providers have it as an option, some only allow it on certain packages) |
| 21:04 | < ShellNinja> | Hmm. The iPad does have wifi. So the question would be how to turn the phone into a router? |
| 21:07 | <@froztbyte> | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/48102_582766161750709_213 4332017_n.jpg |
| 21:07 | <@froztbyte> | ShellNinja: if this moto is an android phone, it might already support it |
| 21:07 | <@TheWatcher> | Try settings -> more -> tethering and portable hotspot (although I suspect it'll be in a different place in different android version...) |
| 21:08 | <@froztbyte> | yes, it might shuffle around a bit |
| 21:08 | < ShellNinja> | Yeah, I think it is an Android phone. |
| 21:08 | <@froztbyte> | on my current ROM (which is 4.2-based), there's a thing just below Data Usage in the data-related menu entries |
| 21:09 | <@froztbyte> | stupidly, I can control everything but that from tasker |
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| 22:44 | | * Vornicus tries to remember how you do methods in js |
| 22:50 | <@TheWatcher> | `var foo = new Class({ ... blabla... name: function(args) { }, });` |
| 23:03 | <@RStamer> | Kind of... |
| 23:04 | <@RStamer> | function Class() { /* ... */ }; Class.prototype.method = function classMethod() { /* ... */ } |
| 23:04 | <@RStamer> | That's the prefered way. |
| 23:05 | <@RStamer> | TW's method assumes you're using some kind of library to pull the methods out of arguments[0] |
| 23:06 | <@RStamer> | (However, it does pass an object to the constructor with a method) |
| 23:06 | <~Vornicus> | I'm so confused. |
| 23:06 | <@RStamer> | About? |
| 23:06 | <@TheWatcher> | RStamer: heh, yeah. So long since I used vanilla js... |
| 23:07 | <@TheWatcher> | (Thank Cthulhu...) |
| 23:07 | <~Vornicus> | A lot of things. I can't figure out what I need to ask yet. |
| 23:07 | | * RStamer doesn't find it that bad. Unless he has to write for multiple engines, then yes, get a library to handle that shit. |
| 23:07 | <@RStamer> | Start by saying what you want to do. |
| 23:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Vornicus: your site loads jquery by default from the looks of it, I strongly recommend looking at writing code using its features rather than vanilla javascript, unless you have some reason not to (strong desire to learn how things work without a library, masochism, etc) |
| 23:10 | <~Vornicus> | Okay so. I have a class, it's named Character. An instance of Character is my model object underlying my character sheet page. |
| 23:11 | <~Vornicus> | I don't actually know what JQuery does that isn't DOM-ish... |
| 23:11 | <@RStamer> | I'm in the same boat there actually |
| 23:12 | <~Vornicus> | It doesn't really look like it. |
| 23:12 | <@RStamer> | You want to add methods to Character? |
| 23:12 | <~Vornicus> | RStamer: yepperoni. |
| 23:13 | <@RStamer> | If so: `Character.prototype.getx = function() { return this.x }` makes a method `getx` that returns `x` |
| 23:16 | <~Vornicus> | okay. Why do that instead of `doing function Character() {this.getx = function() { return this.x }; }` |
| 23:16 | <~Vornicus> | er, with the ` in the right place |
| 23:20 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Woo, Cyanogenmod 10.1 has a better Storage page in the settings. It now includes a Misc. entry that includes my 9.3 missing gigs. I can tap it and open up a further listing, telling me that a directory called 0 has 9 gigs. It won't let me open it up further but will let me delete it :P |
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| 23:21 | <@Alek> | rhamp: it might be something needed for functioning. |
| 23:21 | <~Vornicus> | That seems |
| 23:21 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Yeah, the "woo" was sarcastic. |
| 23:22 | <@Alek> | I wouldn't touch it unless you a: have a backup, b: can back up the directory, or c: won't mind reinstalling a brick. |
| 23:22 | <@RStamer> | Vornicus: Because then you're creating a new `getx` for each instance. |
| 23:22 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Alek: that directory HAS the backups |
| 23:22 | <@RStamer> | Also, (IIRC) `getx` will be listed when you loop through the object using for-in loops. |
| 23:22 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | But they only seem to be 3 gigs |
| 23:23 | <@Alek> | ?_? |
| 23:23 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Until now I assumed they were all of the missing space |
| 23:24 | <~Vornicus> | RStamer: so by putting it in prototype, I'll be able to use it as my_character.getx, and it will work as expected there? |
| 23:24 | <@RStamer> | Right |
| 23:24 | <~Vornicus> | ok good. |
| 23:24 | <@RStamer> | No major advantage if you only ever make on instance of Character though |
| 23:25 | <@RStamer> | At which point you may as well not even bother with the contructor IMO. |
| 23:25 | <~Vornicus> | I might need to throw it somewhere else later, and it's better to get this right anyway! |
| 23:25 | <@RStamer> | There's a secondary advantage to using prototype though |
| 23:26 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Found another gig of backups.. "2 GB" of music but I've also found out it'll round 2.99 down to 2 |
| 23:27 | <~Vornicus> | secondary advantage? |
| 23:28 | <@RStamer> | > Array.prototype.sum = function() { var x = 0; for (var i=0; i < this.length; ++i) { x+=this[i]; } return x } |
| 23:28 | <@RStamer> | [Function] |
| 23:28 | <@RStamer> | > [1,2].sum() |
| 23:28 | <@RStamer> | 3 |
| 23:28 | | * McMartin reads backscroll |
| 23:28 | <~Vornicus> | oh god monkeypatches |
| 23:28 | <@RStamer> | Which is you can extend objects anywhere |
| 23:28 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 23:28 | <&McMartin> | Note that when you're writing JS and you say "I have a class where..." you are confused |
| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | Also, if you can find (in a library, ideally, don't pay full price) a copy of the mad JSON manifesto, "JavaScript: The Good Parts", it is food for thought on a number of things |
| 23:30 | | Typh|Food is now known as Typherix |
| 23:30 | | * RStamer doesn't have that book yet |
| 23:30 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | half a gig in DCIM.. 0.6 gigs in cmupdater.. 0.3 in Android.. adds up to around 7. Still missing a bit but not nearly as much as I thought |
| 23:30 | <&McMartin> | It does have the source for Object.create(), which itself makes JavaScript about 300% saner and about 85% more alien. |
| 23:30 | <@RStamer> | Should really get it, but IMO I'm pretty competant with JS already, so I'm not sure how much of an advantage it'd be. |
| 23:31 | <&McMartin> | I emphasize that much of what you are reading it for is the humor value. |
| 23:31 | <@RStamer> | Oh |
| 23:31 | <&McMartin> | he's well respected - I mean, he literally invented JSON - but he is utterly insane. |
| 23:31 | <@RStamer> | Hmm |
| 23:31 | <&McMartin> | But Object.create() is a function he writes for "given this object, construct a new one using the argument as a prototype, return that" |
| 23:31 | <&McMartin> | Which is a truly excellent function to have! |
| 23:32 | <&McMartin> | However, he thinks an appropriate place to put it is Object.prototype >_< |
| 23:32 | <&McMartin> | Also, he's deeply offended by the fact that JS has keywords, and that + can be used for string concatenation |
| 23:32 | <~Vornicus> | bah, the local library catalog is on the blink. |
| 23:33 | <~Vornicus> | oh there it goes. three copies checked in, but there's 33 branches in the system, let's see whether they have it at one i can walk to. |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | <3 the SD library system |
| 23:34 | <@RStamer> | What. |
| 23:34 | <@RStamer> | He doesn't like concatination, what? |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | He's blaming + instead of JS's absurd coercion rules for the resulting mess |
| 23:34 | <~Vornicus> | He doesn't like having string concat on the same operator as numerical addition |
| 23:35 | <&McMartin> | "Let's talk about JavaScript." |
| 23:35 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | It's a little ugly to use + for both, but if you showed some restraint and didn't use coercion it'd be fine |
| 23:36 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 23:36 | <&McMartin> | I'm not convinced he's *wrong* about his madness. |
| 23:36 | <&McMartin> | He's mad, but ANAICT internally self-consistent. |
| 23:36 | <~Vornicus> | Little out of range, and the one at Central is checked out. |
| 23:36 | <~Vornicus> | I wonder. |
| 23:36 | <&McMartin> | Vornicus: Should be possible to do an interbranch loan request |
| 23:37 | <~Vornicus> | Right, that's what I'm looking into. |
| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | RStamer: This is why it should not be used to *learn* JS |
| 23:37 | <@RStamer> | Yeah |
| 23:37 | <@RStamer> | Geez |
| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | The chapter on functions, how they work, and the kinds of hilarious Scheme-like Evil you can get up to with them is accurate and well-thought-out, though |
| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | And I recognized many of the stunts from my Scheming days. |
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| 23:38 | <&McMartin> | My personal entry for "the language killer" is something he merely treats as a mild speedbump >_> |
| 23:39 | <~Vornicus> | what's your language killer? |
| 23:39 | | Reivles is now known as Orthia |
| 23:39 | <&McMartin> | That dicts are objects |
| 23:39 | <&McMartin> | And dict lookup is the same as method lookup |
| 23:40 | <&McMartin> | So your "empty" little hashtable is actually full of Object.prototype's methods, which makes generic data-driven multimaps intrinsically unsafe |
| 23:41 | <&McMartin> | (You can get around this by, say, prepending all your keys with ':' or something before lookup) |
| 23:55 | <@celticminstrel> | I suppose there's no way to make it simply not have any prototype at all. |
| 23:55 | <@RStamer> | Hmm |
| 23:56 | <@RStamer> | Nope, delete doesn't work. |
| 23:56 | <@RStamer> | You should be able to do Object.prototype = {} though |
| 23:57 | <@celticminstrel> | What about =undefined? |
| 23:57 | <@celticminstrel> | Or... defineProperty? |
| 23:57 | <@celticminstrel> | To make it both undefined and nonenumerable. |
| 23:58 | <@RStamer> | Nope |
| 23:58 | <@celticminstrel> | Object.prototype={} doesn't change anything... |
| 23:58 | <@RStamer> | Also `undefined` is just a variable (which is usually undefined) |
| 23:58 | <@RStamer> | Yes, I was testing that out too |
| 23:58 | <@RStamer> | It doesn't work :/ |
| 23:58 | <@celticminstrel> | That seems to be false in Firefox. |
| 23:58 | <@celticminstrel> | At least, "undefined = 5" does not change the value of undefined. |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | I think it's more that conforming ECMAScript implementations are *allowed* to. |
| 23:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
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