| --- Log opened Sun Feb 17 00:00:15 2013 |
| --- Day changed Sun Feb 17 2013 |
| 00:00 | | Orthia [orthianz@3CF3A5.E1CD01.5A78C0.03128C] has joined #code |
| 00:00 | | mode/#code [+o Orthia] by ChanServ |
| 00:15 | | cpux [cpux@Nightstar-98762b0f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client closed the connection] |
| 00:16 | | cpux [cpux@Nightstar-98762b0f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #code |
| 00:16 | | mode/#code [+o cpux] by ChanServ |
| 00:37 | <&McMartin> | 7 is The Best Windows. |
| 00:37 | <&McMartin> | Before 7 was The Best Windows, 2k was The Best Windows |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | 15:17 <@RobinStamer> I sure do love scrollbars in unresizable windows. |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | Why is this even a complaint? |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | If you put a scroll paneled thing in a dialog box you will get this |
| 00:38 | <@RobinStamer> | Because my prefered profession has me dealing with them constantly/ |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | No, I mean, this is *flagrantly* application level |
| 00:39 | <@RobinStamer> | ... they're all over the admin tools needed for Windows. |
| 00:39 | <@RobinStamer> | IE the shit Windows ships with. |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | And they're two features that don't interact |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | No |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | You're answering the wrong question |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | My question is "why is this a bad thing" |
| 00:40 | <@RobinStamer> | Scroll bars mean that there's more content than the size of the window can show |
| 00:40 | <@RobinStamer> | Which means you can either: A) scroll or B) make the window bigger |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | With you so far. |
| 00:40 | <@RobinStamer> | B is my prefered choice as it the sanest one. |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | As someone who has used these tools on Linux, I cannot in fact agree |
| 00:40 | <@RobinStamer> | Yet every admin window disallows that. |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | GNOME and Unity both love making your window larger than the actual screen and refusing to let you scale it down so that you can, for instance, interact with the OK or Cancel buttons. |
| 00:41 | <@RobinStamer> | GNOME is a flaming pile of wanna-be Windows trash. |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | The only thing worth complaining about here is "primary windows which are not resizable" |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | Scroll bars *improve* the experience on a side by side experience. |
| 00:42 | <@RobinStamer> | It's one of the many beefs I have with Windows. |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Hence my confusion. |
| 00:42 | <@RobinStamer> | Eitherway, I'm busy with other things. |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Do you have any GUIs you *do* like~ |
| 00:44 | <@RobinStamer> | Chrome's config panel is nice. |
| 00:44 | | Courage [Moltare@583787.FF2A18.190FE2.4D81A1] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 00:48 | | Courage [Moltare@583787.FF2A18.190FE2.4D81A1] has joined #code |
| 00:48 | | mode/#code [+o Courage] by ChanServ |
| 00:48 | <@RobinStamer> | VirtualBox's isn't horrible, it could have some minor improvements, but it works well enough. |
| 00:50 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:52 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 01:33 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-e83b3651.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 01:34 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 01:49 | < syksleep> | chromes config panel needs to be set fire to |
| 01:49 | < syksleep> | RobinStamer: gnome also stopped trying to be like windows, like, two years ago |
| 01:50 | < syksleep> | gnome 3 has absolutely no resembelences to Windows whatsoever these days |
| 01:50 | | syksleep is now known as Syk |
| 01:52 | <@RobinStamer> | Oh, looks like of nice actually |
| 01:53 | <@RobinStamer> | What's wrong with it's config panel? |
| 01:54 | < Syk> | it's just really disorganised |
| 01:54 | < Syk> | everything is shoved under 'settings' |
| 01:55 | <@RobinStamer> | Ah |
| 01:56 | <@RobinStamer> | That's fair. I don't use it that much, and I can always find what I want so + it doesn't cripple itself like a bunch of other configuration UIs do. |
| 01:57 | < Syk> | the steamplay logo with windows + linux only makes me go "eeee" inside |
| 02:03 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 02:15 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 03:04 | <@Alek> | you know what's annoying, that I remember from xp? |
| 03:05 | <@Alek> | unresizable, unmovable windows with no scroll. so if you have more content than the window fits... D: |
| 03:05 | <@Alek> | or if it somehow spawns partway over the screen border... |
| 03:10 | <@RobinStamer> | I don't recall seeing anything like that ever. |
| 03:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | Note to self: unpack a few save files and see if chunks 4000 and 4001 contain game configuration data. |
| 03:43 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 03:53 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-09c31e7a.sta.comporium.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Program Shutting down] |
| 04:02 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: ] |
| 04:29 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 04:29 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 06:01 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 06:04 | <&McMartin> | RobinStamer: It's pretty endemic in a lot of the standard Linux config apps, particularly at low resolutions |
| 06:36 | <~Vornicus> | What I remember about XP and previous is windows with no way of finding them. |
| 06:38 | <~Vornicus> | (control panels et al are like this; open up the date/time control, click through your various other tasks. Find the original date/time control again. Good luck.) |
| 06:41 | | ErikMesoy [Erik@Nightstar-be32adc8.80-203-17.nextgentel.com] has joined #code |
| 06:41 | | ErikMesoy|sleep [Erik@Nightstar-be32adc8.80-203-17.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 06:44 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 06:54 | <@celticminstrel> | I think the only solution in that case is to minimize everything one by one until it's on top? |
| 06:57 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 06:57 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 07:11 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: which is exactly the problem |
| 07:23 | | Syk_ [the@Nightstar-22916d5e.iinet.net.au] has joined #code |
| 07:26 | | Syk [the@Nightstar-3ac56119.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 08:14 | < Reiver> | so any objections to the logic? |
| 08:14 | <~Vornicus> | Vorntiers logic? |
| 08:16 | < Reiver> | yeah |
| 08:17 | <~Vornicus> | Thinking on it: it means that when one invader shows up, the home team is in trouble; two and the home team is safe; three and the home team is in trouble again. |
| 08:17 | < Reiver> | right |
| 08:17 | < Reiver> | enemy of my enemy is my friend. |
| 08:17 | <~Vornicus> | Not a fan of that. |
| 08:18 | < Reiver> | Hm |
| 08:19 | < Reiver> | well it's how eclipse does it |
| 08:19 | < Reiver> | logic is he who got there first had better defensive position. |
| 08:19 | < Reiver> | granted the current approach is very algebra. |
| 08:19 | <~Vornicus> | I believe I want it so the home team is in more trouble the more guys show up. Not entirely sure how to do that. |
| 08:22 | < Reiver> | the alternative is that everyone shots everyone else evenly. for one |
| 08:24 | <~Vornicus> | Which actually sort of gets you back to djord's thing which i... waaaiiit |
| 08:24 | | Zemyla [zemyla@Nightstar-8fbb7981.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 08:26 | <@Alek> | if you have diplomatic relations enabled, make sure the AI take advantage of them between factions. and with you, for that matter. |
| 08:26 | < Reiver> | other solutions become informal alliances. |
| 08:27 | <~Vornicus> | no such thing as diplomacy in this game |
| 08:27 | <@Alek> | nothing so annoying as playing a game, getting attacked by a faction, and wondering why your allies, who are also in a war with your enemy but not on a front with them, aren't coming to help. |
| 08:27 | <~Vornicus> | and thank god, I've never liked any diplomacy solution. |
| 08:28 | | Zemyla [zemyla@Nightstar-8fbb7981.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #code |
| 08:28 | | mode/#code [+o Zemyla] by ChanServ |
| 08:32 | | * Vornicus tries a couple of things. |
| 08:36 | <@Alek> | yeah, diplomacy and especially intelligence aren't really my strong points in those games. >_> |
| 08:37 | <@Alek> | mostly because they don't really interest me as much as the rest. |
| 08:37 | <~Vornicus> | intelligence is even worse |
| 08:40 | | * Azash is terrible at seeing the dependencies in larger situations |
| 08:46 | <@Alek> | Space Empires? I just disable the Intelligence options right off the bat, usually. saves me a ton of building and researching, too. |
| 08:47 | <@Alek> | I only keep diplomacy for the trade and research bonuses with alliances. XD |
| 08:54 | <~Vornicus> | I've never seen even a passable intelligence setup. |
| 09:02 | | thalass [thalass@Nightstar-23c59d3f.bigpond.net.au] has joined #code |
| 09:03 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-e83b3651.cable.rogers.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] |
| 09:05 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|out |
| 09:10 | | Syk [the@Nightstar-59eeca2c.iinet.net.au] has joined #code |
| 09:13 | | Syk_ [the@Nightstar-22916d5e.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 10:11 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 10:24 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 10:24 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 10:37 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 11:34 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 11:44 | | Tarinaky [tarinaky@Nightstar-dd7e4a05.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 12:05 | | Tarinaky [tarinaky@Nightstar-dd7e4a05.net] has joined #code |
| 12:05 | | mode/#code [+o Tarinaky] by ChanServ |
| 12:26 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 12:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Ugh |
| 12:47 | <@TheWatcher> | I need to write stuff down when I'm tired - last night I thought "okay, this is done except for X"... now I can't actually remember what X is, so I'm having to check through everything to see what I haven't finished yet ;.; |
| 12:58 | < JustBob> | Heh. |
| 12:58 | < JustBob> | I know that feeling; I was laying in bed and contemplating how to solve a system design problem I have, and I worked it through completely in my head. |
| 12:59 | < JustBob> | ...then I fell asleep. Now I only vaguely recall 'Uh, yeah. Variables.' |
| 13:00 | <@TheWatcher> | >.< |
| 13:11 | < jeroud> | TheWatcher: Look at commit logs? |
| 13:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Aha! That's it, I hadn't included the code to keep track of the reason something was happening so I could tell the user about it... |
| 13:42 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-09c31e7a.sta.comporium.net] has joined #code |
| 13:58 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 14:28 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 14:35 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: ] |
| 14:39 | | Orthia [orthianz@3CF3A5.E1CD01.5A78C0.03128C] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 14:41 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 14:43 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 14:56 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 14:56 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 15:48 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 15:53 | <@gnolam> | Hee |
| 15:53 | <@gnolam> | Not sure if this has been posted here before, but... |
| 15:53 | <@gnolam> | Run a traceroute on 216.81.59.173 |
| 15:57 | <@iospace> | probably has :P |
| 16:00 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-e83b3651.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 16:01 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 16:02 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 16:02 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 16:04 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 16:16 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 16:23 | <@RobinStamer> | That's the starwars one/ |
| 16:24 | <@RobinStamer> | Yup |
| 16:50 | | Syk is now known as syksleep |
| 16:53 | | d4de [olorin@687AAB.E04ECC.3FC37D.EC8316] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 16:54 | | thalass [thalass@Nightstar-23c59d3f.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 17:24 | | d4de [olorin@687AAB.418D22.958A16.FA1323] has joined #code |
| 17:26 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: ] |
| 17:35 | | VirusJTG_ [VirusJTG@Nightstar-09c31e7a.sta.comporium.net] has joined #code |
| 17:37 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-09c31e7a.sta.comporium.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 17:49 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 17:53 | | Attilla [the.attilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: ] |
| 17:54 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 18:03 | | RobinStamer is now known as Vasi |
| 18:44 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 19:40 | | Orthia [orthianz@3CF3A5.E1CD01.5A78C0.03128C] has joined #code |
| 19:40 | | mode/#code [+o Orthia] by ChanServ |
| 20:20 | | Kindamoody|out is now known as Kindamoody |
| 20:25 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 20:26 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 20:41 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 20:49 | | Attilla [chatzilla@Nightstar-aced750e.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #code |
| 21:00 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 21:00 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 21:31 | < ErikMesoy> | Seen on tech support elsewhere: "'Does anybody...' is not your real question unless you're a sociologist." |
| 21:32 | < Attilla> | hah |
| 21:33 | <@Vasi> | "Does anybody else know what to do if my dick is purple with lime green pussing dots all over it?" |
| 21:35 | < Attilla> | "See a sociologist" seems to be the answer |
| 21:36 | <@Vasi> | Indeed |
| 21:37 | < ErikMesoy> | nono, sociologists would be the people who ask that |
| 21:54 | <&McMartin> | Ah, another person who misinterprets politeness as an invitation to give the Mathemetician's Answer |
| 21:54 | <&McMartin> | There's a reason jocks stuffed you in lockers back in high school, dude |
| 21:56 | | Vasi is now known as RobinStamer |
| 22:06 | <@RobinStamer> | IRC conversations have slightly different rules to as what is "rude" |
| 22:10 | <&Derakon> | That said, McM, there's a common problem of people asking if it's okay to ask a question. |
| 22:10 | <&Derakon> | Instead of just asking the question. |
| 22:10 | | Derakon changed the topic of #code to: Welcome to #Code! || Don't ask to ask, just ask. || Rants and monologues are encouraged; many cores, no waiting || Pastebin: http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/ (Note antispam question, answer 'Yes') || ? x, ich werde x Wissenschaft tun || Shameless self-promotion: https://github.com/jerith/depixel |
| 22:16 | <&McMartin> | Yes, there's a difference between "does anyone know X" and "does anyone know something they can tell me" |
| 22:17 | <&McMartin> | "Are there any experts on X here" is rarely productive but when it is it's *really important* |
| 22:17 | <&McMartin> | Some questions have different answers depending on context, and asserted experience levels will let you rate the trustworthiness of surprising answers. |
| 22:25 | <@Reiv> | Other times, for example in #Code, the skillset may be multidenominational |
| 22:25 | <@Reiv> | I would not hesitate to ask 'does anyone here know pascal' before launching into a lengthly explanation of my problem. |
| 22:26 | <@Reiv> | Because there's a decent chance someone might, but also might not. |
| 22:30 | < JustBob> | For the record, McM, I stuffed people into lockers back in high school because it was amusing, not because they were nerds. |
| 22:30 | < JustBob> | I mean, hell, I was one. |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | You had much larger lockers in your high school |
| 22:33 | < JustBob> | Standard sized ones, as far as I remember. |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, ours were two-foot cubes. |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | I don't think you could stuff someone into them even after running them through a wood chipper. |
| 22:34 | | ErikMesoy is now known as ErikMesoy|sleep |
| 22:34 | <@Reiv> | Similar line of thought: I default to shouting HEY VORN a lot when dealing with Excel, SQL, or Math |
| 22:35 | <@Reiv> | But if he's not around I have no gorram clue who knows what~ |
| 22:35 | | himi [fow035@D741F1.243F35.CADC30.81D435] has joined #code |
| 22:35 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 23:00 | <~Vornicus> | ??? |
| 23:01 | | cpux|2 [cpux@Nightstar-98762b0f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #code |
| 23:03 | <~Vornicus> | "standard size lockers" kind of befuddles me because I had four different sizes of locker at the four different schools! |
| 23:04 | | cpux [cpux@Nightstar-98762b0f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 23:13 | < JustBob> | http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/getting-a-good-locker1.jpg <- I thought those were pretty much normal? |
| 23:15 | <~Vornicus> | I had ones about that width in middle school; in my second elementary school they were a little wider; in my first elementary school they were cubical; in high school tehy were about 4 inches wide and there was a cube one above it. |
| 23:15 | < JustBob> | Huh |
| 23:18 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@A3BDC3.5BE3EC.B8847E.5ADB9D] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 23:29 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@A3BDC3.5BE3EC.B8847E.5ADB9D] has joined #code |
| 23:29 | | mode/#code [+o Reiv] by ChanServ |
| 23:39 | <@gnolam> | http://acko.net/files/dump/mandelbox.html |
| --- Log closed Mon Feb 18 00:00:05 2013 |