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| 00:06 | <@Azash> | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/new-white-house-petition-seeks-to-leg itimize-ddos-attacks/ |
| 00:08 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Get 10000 people to hit reload on a website? Legitimate protest. Get 1 person to use a 10000 node botnet (which is itself illegal) to reload the website? Nuh uh |
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| 03:54 | <&McMartin> | Man |
| 03:54 | <&McMartin> | Now there is a graphical effect I haven't created in a long, long time |
| 03:54 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/astropanic/c64_moire.png |
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| 04:57 | | * Vornicus imagines McM saying that in obi-wan's voice |
| 04:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | To me, the canonical computer moire pattern is the grey background of the old X11 login screen. |
| 05:00 | | * ToxicFrog vanquishes the ePost website by reaching into it with the javascript debugger and ripping the email validation out |
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| 05:53 | <&Derakon> | Interestingly, moir? patterns are used by our microscope at work to achieve higher resolutions. |
| 05:54 | <&Derakon> | I don't understand exactly how it works though. Lots of very careful alignment and then a bunch of math to combine exposures with different illumination patterns. |
| 06:04 | <&McMartin> | Huh |
| 06:04 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I'm not sure if this counts as a true moire |
| 06:05 | <&McMartin> | It's actually a result of a very specific kind of aliasing artifact, and I don't even know if it works right on higher-res screens. |
| 06:05 | <&McMartin> | I should try it with pygame. |
| 06:10 | <&McMartin> | That moire thing required almost a kilobyte of code and it was distressingly slow for machine language, even on an 8-bit micro |
| 06:11 | <~Vornicus> | That moire there is actually "every 2 pixels along the border shoot a line to the center"? |
| 06:11 | <&McMartin> | Yup |
| 06:12 | <&McMartin> | It "should" just be a starburst, but the resolution is too low. |
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| 07:02 | <@simon`> | can anyone recommend some practical problems related to graph coloring? e.g. register allocation, sudoku, pattern matching. |
| 07:05 | <~Vornicus> | graph coloring is useful for inside-outside detection and knot classification. |
| 07:05 | <~Vornicus> | Most of what I've done with graph coloring falls into the former. |
| 07:13 | <@simon`> | Vornicus, what's inside-outside detection? |
| 07:13 | <@simon`> | I imagine knot classification is classification of actual knots, which reminds me of topology without really knowing *anything* about it. |
| 07:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh poo. |
| 07:23 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't know how I'm going to fix this :/ |
| 07:24 | <@Tarinaky> | Ah wait. |
| 07:27 | <~Vornicus> | simon`: inside-outside detection is what it sounds like: take a complex object and tell whether a particular point is within or outside of it. |
| 07:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Damnit, no :/ |
| 07:32 | <@simon`> | Vornicus, oh, cool! |
| 07:36 | | * simon` did something bad and posted a security announcement encouraging everyone to disable Java due to security issues three days before an object-oriented programming course exam. this is a battle of wits! |
| 07:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Yay, works ^^ |
| 07:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Now to get up and do some revision - booo~ |
| 07:45 | <@Tarinaky> | simon`: Why do you need Java for an exam? |
| 07:46 | <~Vornicus> | when the course uses java |
| 07:46 | | * Tarinaky is... perplexed. |
| 07:46 | | * simon` realises that LinkedIn can very much regulate what people get endorsed for, since most people endorse others by clicking pop-ups that LinkedIn suggests. i.e., they can suggest whatever they like and selectively sort out things they don't like. |
| 07:46 | <@Tarinaky> | Vornicus: But it's an exam... |
| 07:46 | <@Tarinaky> | You can't disable Java on a piece of paper. |
| 07:46 | <@simon`> | Tarinaky, the course mandates Java. |
| 07:46 | <~Vornicus> | tarinaky: I only had paper exams for a programming course once. |
| 07:46 | <@simon`> | Tarinaky, ah, but the exam expects you to run code before handing it in. |
| 07:47 | <~Vornicus> | the teacher didn't make it to the next semester |
| 07:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Hunh. |
| 07:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Paper exams are kindof the norm here. |
| 07:47 | <@simon`> | they're only normal for theoretical courses here. |
| 07:48 | <@simon`> | programming courses are labelled as practical |
| 07:48 | <@Tarinaky> | That said, the actual programming modules are heavy on course work. |
| 07:48 | <@Tarinaky> | Which /is/ on computer. |
| 07:48 | <@simon`> | the only written exam I took that involved writing code was my Machine Architecture course in which I wrote some C and some MIPS32. |
| 07:48 | <@simon`> | Tarinaky, and they end in a written exam? |
| 07:48 | <@Tarinaky> | But last year we had plenty of exams testing our ability to memorise the syntax for a class definition/for loop. |
| 07:49 | <@Tarinaky> | This year's main programming module has an exam on datastructures... so lots of questions about the complexity of trees. |
| 07:49 | <@Tarinaky> | And the state of AVL trees during various steps of insertion/rotation. |
| 07:50 | <@Tarinaky> | Mind. I don't do half the CompSci modules due to being a dirty Dual Honours student. |
| 07:51 | <@Tarinaky> | Err Joint Honours. |
| 07:53 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh, same thing according to google. |
| 07:53 | <@Tarinaky> | Myeh. |
| 07:53 | | * Tarinaky goes to the shower. |
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| 10:30 | <@Azash> | AVL trees <3 |
| 10:39 | | * TheWatcher readsup, notes that all his exams were on paper, including the language courses (SML, MIPS asm, C, LISP, FORTRAN, and Java). There was coursework, but the exam was still 60% |
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| 11:19 | <@iospace> | TheWatcher: i've had only one class where the exams weren't on paper |
| 11:19 | <@iospace> | VB.net |
| 11:19 | <@iospace> | ._. |
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| 11:19 | | * TheWatcher patpats |
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| 11:41 | | * Tarinaky decides to make his current project repo on github open >.> |
| 11:42 | < Syka> | :o |
| 11:42 | | * Syka jumps into Tarinaky's repo |
| 11:42 | | * Syka has a party in it |
| 11:43 | | * ShellNinja closes the repo with Syka inside. |
| 11:43 | <@Tarinaky> | https://github.com/Tarinaky/Roentgen I'd appreciate any thoughts on how I'm doing widgets vs how I ought to be doing them with Pyglet... And how to make a ui that I can skin with bitmaps or something. |
| 11:43 | <@Tarinaky> | So it's not all rectangles and slightly smaller rectangles with a slightly brighter hue. |
| 11:44 | | * Syka is trapped inside the repo :C |
| 11:44 | < Syka> | if only it was C++ |
| 11:44 | < Syka> | then I could file away the bars using curly brackets |
| 11:44 | | * Tarinaky deletes the Repo to get rid of Syka. |
| 11:44 | | Syka is now known as unallocated_inode |
| 11:44 | < unallocated_inode> | :'( |
| 11:45 | | * ShellNinja moves unallocated_inode to /lost+found |
| 11:45 | | * Tarinaky copies futa hentai into the space previously occupied by Syka. |
| 11:45 | | unallocated_inode is now known as Syk |
| 11:45 | < Syk> | muahah, little did you know |
| 11:46 | | * Syk is secretly paheal |
| 11:46 | | * Syk lightning strikes, etc |
| 11:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Paheal? |
| 11:50 | < Syk> | uhhh |
| 11:50 | < Syk> | paheal is the site that runs the rule 34 database |
| 11:50 | < Syk> | and a couple other similar sites |
| 11:51 | <@Tarinaky> | There's a database? |
| 11:53 | < Syk> | NSFW as fuck http://rule34.paheal.net/ < also NSFW |
| 11:53 | < Syk> | Tarinaky: it's searchable and all images are tagged |
| 11:53 | < Syk> | it's like an automatic childhood ruiner |
| 11:54 | | * Tarinaky doesn't click. |
| 11:54 | < Syk> | that is a partially wise decision |
| 11:57 | <@iospace> | you're Syk Syk |
| 11:59 | < Syk> | wut |
| 11:59 | <@iospace> | :D |
| 12:00 | < Syk> | i dun get it |
| 12:00 | <@iospace> | you're sick Syk :P |
| 12:03 | < Syk> | lol |
| 12:03 | < Syk> | hey iospace |
| 12:03 | < Syk> | what do you get if you cross a cat and a dog |
| 12:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. Any thoughts on my code before I head off to return these books to the library? |
| 12:04 | | * TheWatcher would like to suggest, but python |
| 12:04 | <@Tarinaky> | I thought Python was hip and happenning around here. |
| 12:04 | <@iospace> | Syk: catdog? |
| 12:04 | < Syk> | iospace: a lawsuit from PETA |
| 12:04 | <@iospace> | heh |
| 12:05 | <@iospace> | tell that in #site19 :V |
| 12:05 | < Syk> | lols |
| 12:05 | < Syk> | im not in there |
| 12:05 | < Syk> | internet fuckery |
| 12:05 | <@iospace> | :< |
| 12:05 | < Syk> | cbf restarting irssi |
| 12:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky: it is, just not around me. |
| 12:06 | < ShellNinja> | #site19? Is that some SCP channel? |
| 12:06 | <@iospace> | yup |
| 12:06 | <@TheWatcher> | (I do c, c++, perl, php when I need to, java when I can't possibly avoid it, python just fucks with my head too much) |
| 12:07 | < Barrell_R> | That is a surprising response. |
| 12:07 | < Syk> | oh dear there's more SCP people in here |
| 12:07 | <@iospace> | Syk: or you know, you can do it manually |
| 12:07 | <@iospace> | :V |
| 12:07 | < Syk> | iospace: i dont know how |
| 12:07 | < Syk> | and i cbf reading the manual |
| 12:07 | <@iospace> | /connect <server> |
| 12:07 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 12:08 | < Syk> | /connect urbutt |
| 12:08 | < ShellNinja> | I'm not actually part of SCP. I can't be bothered to repeatedly read the required reading to dodge all the traps. |
| 12:08 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 12:09 | <@Tarinaky> | My internet connection has given up the ghost. |
| 12:09 | <@Tarinaky> | BBIAB. |
| 12:09 | < Syk> | ShellNinja: there's not that much to it |
| 12:09 | < Syk> | it's just a retard filtering scheme |
| 12:10 | < Syk> | unfortunately it is not perfect |
| 12:10 | < Syk> | there was a computer SCP posted yesterday |
| 12:10 | < Syk> | apparnetly it was some biological shit in a PC |
| 12:10 | < ShellNinja> | Syk: I did read most of it. I am aware how much there is of it. I am further aware how much of it is needlessly repeated redundancy to hammer in a point summarized in one sentence. |
| 12:10 | < Syk> | and it was 'higher than average performance', with "4TB hard drive memory, 6GHz CPU speed and 20GB RAM" |
| 12:11 | <@iospace> | ... |
| 12:11 | < Syk> | Mackenzie (the technical lead on the new site) almost lost it |
| 12:11 | <@iospace> | "higher than average" |
| 12:11 | <@iospace> | i have nearly 3 TB of total HD space |
| 12:11 | < Syk> | iospace: he thought that TBs was average |
| 12:12 | <@iospace> | and my i5 can support 32 GB of RAM |
| 12:12 | < Syk> | and that he must be using some cheap computers then, since all his have 250-500GB |
| 12:12 | < Syk> | and I was like "jsdbgsdf" |
| 12:12 | < ShellNinja> | I have like 1 TB if I total all my drives (including the one I bought and made a power plug adapter for). |
| 12:12 | < Syk> | 20GB RAM doesnt even make sense |
| 12:12 | <@iospace> | it doesn't |
| 12:12 | <@iospace> | well wait |
| 12:12 | < ShellNinja> | Maybe for rendering the planet in realtime. :P |
| 12:12 | < Syk> | apparently it's the 'brain' of the biological thing |
| 12:12 | <@iospace> | Syk: two 8 GB sticks, 2 2GB sticks |
| 12:12 | < Syk> | so yes, it might not be restricted by sane DIMMs |
| 12:13 | < Syk> | iospace: who the fuck uses 8GB sticks and 2GB sticks |
| 12:13 | < Syk> | ...wait I think I do |
| 12:13 | <@iospace> | hahah |
| 12:13 | < Syk> | no wait |
| 12:13 | < Syk> | I have 8 + 8 + 4 + 4 |
| 12:13 | < Syk> | for 24GB |
| 12:13 | <@iospace> | i have 8 GB of RAM in Usami |
| 12:13 | < ShellNinja> | I have a 4 and a 16. |
| 12:13 | <@iospace> | though Usami also has a 128 GB SSD, 320 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD |
| 12:14 | <@iospace> | and i have a 1.5 TB external |
| 12:14 | < Syk> | okay so |
| 12:14 | < Syk> | i need to think about things |
| 12:14 | <@iospace> | don't hurt yourself |
| 12:14 | < Syk> | i have a 128GB SSD and a 2TB WD green on hand |
| 12:14 | | * ShellNinja wonders if SCP has p-zombies. |
| 12:14 | < Syk> | i am considering putting them both in my gaming box |
| 12:15 | < Syk> | but i dunno if playing games off a WD green is the best idea |
| 12:15 | <@iospace> | ShellNinja: p-zombies? |
| 12:15 | <@iospace> | i have a WD Black :D |
| 12:15 | < ShellNinja> | I hadn't seem them in the highest rated articles, except maybe that red-skinned organ-atrophied monsters that sweat amnesiacs. |
| 12:15 | < Syk> | i has an SCP |
| 12:15 | < ShellNinja> | iospace: Philosophical zombies. Something like a meatspace implementation of a chatbot. |
| 12:15 | < Syk> | SCP-633, it's bad |
| 12:16 | < ShellNinja> | It responds appropriately, but doesn't think. |
| 12:17 | < ShellNinja> | Syk: The screenshot alone makes me think it's a -J. |
| 12:17 | < Syk> | ShellNinja: it' |
| 12:17 | < Syk> | s pretty terrible |
| 12:18 | < Syk> | I wrote it in one night in a hotel room in Perth in the middle of my Microsoft certification training because I was bored |
| 12:21 | <@iospace> | Syk: write more tidbits D< |
| 12:21 | < ShellNinja> | (Ah, Perth. So many battles against the Australians and the Canadians resisting the Nazi invasion.) |
| 12:21 | < Syk> | DX |
| 12:21 | < Syk> | iospace: but but |
| 12:22 | <@iospace> | MOAR |
| 12:22 | < Syk> | Dx |
| 12:22 | <@iospace> | ^_^ |
| 12:22 | <@iospace> | or i take your red bucket away |
| 12:23 | | * Syk doesn't know what to write about :( |
| 12:23 | | * Syk should probably redesign Tidbits |
| 12:23 | | * Syk contemplates building a little static website generator |
| 12:24 | <@iospace> | no no no |
| 12:24 | <@iospace> | make an andrew kim pitch generator :V |
| 12:25 | < Syk> | rofl |
| 12:25 | < ShellNinja> | Make a webcomic strip generator. Then make millions via paypal donations. |
| 12:26 | <@iospace> | which reminds me |
| 12:26 | | * iospace checks her webcomics |
| 12:26 | < Syk> | iospace: "A fridge manufactured by Apple that has an inbuilt UV light" |
| 12:26 | <@iospace> | :V |
| 12:27 | < Syk> | iospace: "A TV manufactured by HTC that has an inbuilt induction charger" |
| 12:27 | <@iospace> | and a unicable |
| 12:27 | < Syk> | fuck now I have to make this |
| 12:27 | | * Syk gets out her PHP random thing generator |
| 12:28 | <@iospace> | ^_^ |
| 12:30 | <@iospace> | Syk: tails from the compiler: "term does not evaluate to a function taking 302 arguments" |
| 12:30 | < Syk> | sounds like yoda advice |
| 12:30 | <@RobinStamer> | Tidbits? |
| 12:30 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: Tidbits is a) the software my blog runs on or b) my blog itself |
| 12:30 | <@RobinStamer> | Ah, language, also link to blog? |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | the software is a hacked together pile of C++ that glues together a bunch of .htmls and generates an index |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | it sucks |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/ |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | NSFW at times, nothing serious |
| 12:31 | <@RobinStamer> | Ah, yeah, not interested in code then |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | yeah, the code sucks :P |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | but the blog seems to have a few fans, like iospace |
| 12:32 | < Syk> | and people that complain that i'm not writing enough in my comments sections |
| 12:34 | <@RobinStamer> | "Congratulations, you are not a rational human being. Seriously." <-- I am so going to have my markov bot say that whenever someone fails the turing test with it. |
| 12:35 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: lololol |
| 12:36 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 12:37 | <@iospace> | Syk: you have to do more drunken antics |
| 12:37 | < Syk> | which one was i drunk in |
| 12:38 | < ShellNinja> | RobinStamer: Have you heard of shadowfax? |
| 12:38 | <@RobinStamer> | No, is that a porn? |
| 12:38 | <@RobinStamer> | Oh wait, no this isn't that channel, ignore my question. |
| 12:39 | < ShellNinja> | Not quite. |
| 12:39 | < ShellNinja> | http://zoo.nightstar.net/viewtopic.php?p=299866&sid=efa550a8061ed44d329087b676fb e1eb#p299866 |
| 12:39 | <@iospace> | Syk: weren't you drunk when you did that IE review? o: |
| 12:40 | < Syk> | possibly |
| 12:41 | <@RobinStamer> | Wait, people use IE /sober/? |
| 12:41 | <@RobinStamer> | Those poor souls. |
| 12:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Some do, when forced to. |
| 12:42 | | * iospace eyes Xon |
| 12:43 | < Syk> | oh hey |
| 12:43 | < Syk> | my webserver is going at 20 bytes/second |
| 12:43 | | * iospace makes it run at 2 baud |
| 12:43 | <@iospace> | o: |
| 12:44 | < Syk> | :C |
| 12:50 | | * iospace makes Syk use an iPhone |
| 12:50 | <@iospace> | o: |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | iospace: i used to |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | i bought an iPhone 3GS with my own money |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | then the HTC Desire was released and I had infinite regret |
| 12:51 | <@iospace> | Syk: http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/files/ios6/16.jpg |
| 12:51 | <@iospace> | was that yours? o: |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | so I sold the 3GS and bought the Desire C: |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | rofl no |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | although I was a themer |
| 12:51 | <@iospace> | those icons are /hilarious/ though |
| 12:51 | < Syk> | had a theme with ~20,000 downloads |
| 12:52 | <@iospace> | hipster |
| 12:52 | <@iospace> | HIPPPPPPPPPPPSTER |
| 12:55 | < Syk> | what |
| 12:55 | < Syk> | >:C |
| 12:55 | < Syk> | i'll have you know |
| 12:55 | < Syk> | i dress badly unironically |
| 12:56 | <@iospace> | yeah right |
| 13:00 | < Syk> | okay so |
| 13:00 | < Syk> | iospace: are you ready |
| 13:01 | < Syk> | http://reddrgn.net/hipsterdesigngenerator.php (some generations may be NSFW) |
| 13:02 | <@iospace> | This design is a packing box made by HTC that has a web browser that is recyclable . |
| 13:02 | <@iospace> | XD |
| 13:02 | < Syk> | " This design is a iPhone stand made by Google that has the ability to print out Pitchfork's top ten that is also a buttplug. " |
| 13:02 | < Syk> | bahaha |
| 13:02 | <@iospace> | ... |
| 13:02 | <@iospace> | "This design is a laptop made by LaCie that has the ability to print out Pitchfork's top ten that is also a buttplug. " |
| 13:02 | <@iospace> | ... bahaha |
| 13:03 | < Syk> | 'also a buttplug' comes up a lot for some reason |
| 13:03 | | * iospace calls up Syk's work and asks for buttplugs |
| 13:03 | <@Tamber> | " This design is a fridge made by HTC that has a rechargable battery that is detachable . " =.= |
| 13:05 | <@Tamber> | ... I think I've found a winner here. "This design is a set of earphones made by Apple that has a web browser that is also controllable via an iPhone app" |
| 13:05 | <@iospace> | Tamber: oh, you mean an ipod? |
| 13:05 | <@Tamber> | xD |
| 13:06 | < Syk> | okay so |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | updated the lists... now |
| 13:07 | <@Tamber> | Also, a torch with a unicable built in. |
| 13:07 | <@Tamber> | ...ahahaa |
| 13:07 | <@iospace> | 08:06:40 <~Lambo> "This design is a iPhone stand made by Microsoft that has a web browser that is lovingly crafted into it ." |
| 13:07 | <@iospace> | 08:06:54 <~Lambo> ^ Read: This is a docking cable to your PC |
| 13:07 | <@Tamber> | hehehehehehe |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | bahaha |
| 13:07 | <@Tamber> | This design is a smartphone made by Samsung that has an iPad app companion that is able to cause cancer . |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | " This design is a buttplug made by Apple that has a unicable that is able to cause cancer . " |
| 13:08 | <@Tamber> | ooh, ouch. |
| 13:08 | < Syk> | " This design is a coin box made by Apple that has an induction charger that is able to be connected to an iPhone . " surprisingly legitimate |
| 13:08 | <@Tamber> | "This design is a diary made by LG that has the ability to sense fear that is able to be connected to an iPhone . " That. I like that. |
| 13:08 | <@iospace> | join a channel |
| 13:08 | <@iospace> | guy notices me |
| 13:08 | < Syk> | " This design is a speaker made by Apple that has no use whatsoever that is in the shape of a wave. " ahahaha |
| 13:08 | <@iospace> | thumps his specs |
| 13:09 | <@iospace> | i look at them |
| 13:09 | <@iospace> | "Mine are better except you got more RAM" |
| 13:09 | <@Tamber> | It senses fear; it lets you write down your hopes, dreams and fears; then posts them to twitter for everyone to laugh at. |
| 13:09 | < Syk> | " This design is a iPhone stand made by Google that has an included pair of lobotomy scissors that is in the shape of an iMac . " |
| 13:10 | <@Tamber> | "This design is a map of France made by LG that has no use whatsoever that is built right in ." |
| 13:10 | <@Tamber> | =D |
| 13:10 | < Syk> | ROFL |
| 13:10 | <@iospace> | ... |
| 13:10 | <@iospace> | i'm part french T_T |
| 13:11 | <@Tamber> | I'm part Welsh. |
| 13:11 | < Barrell_R> | " This design is a smartphone made by Google that has an aluminium shell that is able to detect bullshit." |
| 13:11 | <@Tamber> | RB: ...now *that's* handy! |
| 13:12 | <@Tamber> | Also, a printer that has the built-in ability to sense fear. ...They don't already?! |
| 13:12 | < Syk> | haha |
| 13:12 | | * Syk writes some more things for the lists |
| 13:13 | < Barrell_R> | Whose site is reddrgn.net? I love the design. :) |
| 13:13 | < Syk> | reddrgn.net is me |
| 13:13 | | * Barrell_R finds the JoCo track and puts it on. |
| 13:13 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: there's also http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/ |
| 13:14 | < Syk> | if you only saw the mainpage |
| 13:14 | | * Syk kind of hides Tidbits |
| 13:14 | < Syk> | there's also a 'quote generator' on the mainpage of reddrgn.net |
| 13:15 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: there's joco and TMBG in the quotes :D |
| 13:21 | < Syk> | updated the lists |
| 13:21 | | * Syk drops the new ones on iospace |
| 13:22 | <@Tamber> | "This design is a in-car navigation system made by Microsoft that has the ability to read news in a British accent that is also a clock ." :o |
| 13:22 | < Barrell_R> | Syk: I like your blog, I would have linked to it from the front page if I were you. |
| 13:22 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: it is |
| 13:22 | < Barrell_R> | Also, I had no idea that MS's branding had gone so horribly wrong. |
| 13:23 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: click on the cirlcle |
| 13:23 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: the branding there is Andrew Kim's |
| 13:23 | < Barrell_R> | ohhhh |
| 13:23 | < Syk> | it predates the new Microsoft branding |
| 13:23 | < Syk> | this is a project done some by some fucking liberal arts student |
| 13:23 | < Syk> | half my blog is pulling apart his stupid ideas |
| 13:23 | < Syk> | but yes, happy you like it :3 |
| 13:27 | < Barrell_R> | aw damn |
| 13:27 | <@RobinStamer> | What is SKU |
| 13:27 | < Barrell_R> | Thought for a moment that you what you were reviewing was MS's actual branding for the future. |
| 13:29 | < Barrell_R> | Just because, y'know, since Windows Vista and the whole crippling-technological-inferiority thing didn't kill Windows off, it would be amusing/instructional to see if a branding campaign inferior inferior to even the branding efforts of the various BSD unixes (which IMHO are pretty good given the budgets involved, but they're tiny) would do it. ;) |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: i, |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: uh |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | Stock Keeping Unit |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | I think |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | example of SKUs are WIndows 7 Pro, Windows 7 Home Starter |
| 13:29 | <@RobinStamer> | ... and that's jsut a number or some shit? |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | essentially different versions of the same product |
| 13:29 | <@RobinStamer> | Ah |
| 13:30 | < Syk> | 'pro' 'home premium' etc are SKUs |
| 13:30 | < Barrell_R> | A SKU is a for-sale product that's sold on its own and at its own price. |
| 13:30 | < Barrell_R> | e.g. I can walk into GAME, buy an Xbox 360, and Xbox 360 with 5 games and 2 controllers, a PS3 with.... |
| 13:31 | < Barrell_R> | the Xbox360 and the Xbox360+5games+2controllers are the same product, but the bare console is one SKU and the console bundled with shit is another SKU. |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: MS' actual branding is still bad, but not as bad |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | I may get around to it someday |
| 13:33 | < Barrell_R> | Syk: oh, misconception in your profits vs marketshare article. |
| 13:34 | < Syk> | tidbits is Misconception Central |
| 13:34 | < Barrell_R> | If I'm running a company, I take ?100M revenue in on ?90M costs, then I have ?10M left over, and we can label that "profit", right? |
| 13:34 | <@RobinStamer> | Syk: you commit a CSS sin |
| 13:34 | <@RobinStamer> | http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/a/sykhtml.html <-- if you set the BG color... set the FG color too. |
| 13:34 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: I wrote that CSS whilst drunk, two years ago |
| 13:34 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: that's an iframe |
| 13:34 | < Barrell_R> | Let's say I spend ?5M of that leftover cash on R&D. I have now only made a ?5M profit, right? <- your rant believes this |
| 13:34 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: oh shit they fixed it |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: Firefox used to show iframes with white backgrounds |
| 13:35 | <@RobinStamer> | IE is showing it with black on dark grey |
| 13:35 | | * RobinStamer was too lazy to figgure out how to make Chrome the default |
| 13:36 | <@RobinStamer> | Chrome does same shit |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: except that's an expenditure |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | profit = revenue - costs |
| 13:36 | < Barrell_R> | Yeah, that's a misconception. |
| 13:36 | < Barrell_R> | profit = revenue + assets - costs |
| 13:37 | < Barrell_R> | Syk: that's the misconception. In reality, if my R&D spending was efficient/effective then I can actually still post a ?10M profit after spending all of it on R&D - because the R&D created some intangible assets (intellectual property, copyright, patents and knowledge) that I can assign a value to. |
| 13:37 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 13:37 | <@Tarinaky> | 'Homework question'..."Which of the following is FALSE? A heuristic:" |
| 13:37 | < Syk> | well, true |
| 13:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Gives a guided solution, Provides an estimate of how far a state is from a goal, |
| 13:38 | < Barrell_R> | Since there isn't a liquid market in intellectual property, the simple way of valuing the intangible assets that you create by doing R&D is to value them at the same amount as you spent on them, on the assumption that it would probably have taken any of my competitors the same amount of money to throw the same amount of brain-power at the problem. |
| 13:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Is precisely specified, Attempts to focus on paths that seem to get you closer to the goal, Gives a workable solution in a reasonable time" |
| 13:38 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: hmm |
| 13:39 | < Barrell_R> | e.g. Intel's entire R&D dept probably shows up as a profit centre in their profit/loss accounting (even though it's a massive cash sink) because their output is more valuable to the company than what they cost! |
| 13:40 | < Barrell_R> | If you do P&L correctly - you account for the value of every asset and liability - every single dept of your company should show up as profitable. |
| 13:40 | <@Tarinaky> | Any idea what the answer is to my question? |
| 13:40 | <@Tarinaky> | >.< |
| 13:41 | <@Tarinaky> | "every single dept of your company should show up as profitable" << Assuming, of course, that your business is. |
| 13:41 | < Barrell_R> | Tarinaky: the "heuristic" in the A* algorithm is an estimate of distance from a given state to a given goal state. |
| 13:41 | <@Tarinaky> | Barrell_R: I know that. |
| 13:41 | < Barrell_R> | Well, yes. |
| 13:41 | <@Tarinaky> | What I don't know is the answer to my multiple choice revision question :/ |
| 13:41 | <@Tarinaky> | Because they're all true as far as I am aware. |
| 13:41 | < Barrell_R> | Also, some people do P&L incorrectly on purpose because they want to not have to pay corporation tax, which is charged on profits. |
| 13:42 | <@RobinStamer> | I'd say the precise one. |
| 13:42 | < Barrell_R> | Also, some people do P&L incorrectly on purpose because they want to inflate their share price. |
| 13:42 | <@RobinStamer> | Tarinaky: if I were you though, I'd rank each one by how sure you're that they are true. |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | heh well |
| 13:43 | <@RobinStamer> | Then say the one you're least sure of is false. |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | i should prolly learn all this |
| 13:43 | | * Syk started up her own business the other month |
| 13:43 | <@RobinStamer> | Doing what? |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | applying for insurance, and because I'm a sole trader and a bit young, theyre asking me to attach my CV :C |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: small-town IT & business IT |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | programming and stuff too |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | sort of a bit of everything |
| 13:48 | < Barrell_R> | Syk: I have a Nokia N9, which is the phone that Elop ported Windows Phone to and renamed "Lumia". It's a really nice piece of kit. |
| 13:48 | < Barrell_R> | Very nice design, too. The touchable area of the screen goes almost much all the way off the edges of the phone. |
| 13:49 | < Barrell_R> | The N9 OS designers made great use of it. There are a bunch of touch gestures that are based on swipes that come from off the side of the screen. |
| 13:54 | < Syk> | Barrell_R: the old htc desire had a same thing, IIRC |
| 13:54 | < Syk> | touch went off the screen, for scrolling |
| 13:54 | < Syk> | it was pretty cool |
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| 14:17 | <@Tarinaky> | I will buy a pint for anyone who can explain to me the Fourier Convergence Theorem such that I understand and can apply it. |
| 14:18 | < Syk> | well there was this guy |
| 14:18 | < Syk> | and he made some transforms |
| 14:18 | < Syk> | and then he converged them |
| 14:19 | <@Tarinaky> | You will not be getting a pint from me, unless it's hemlock. |
| 14:19 | < Syk> | :( |
| 14:20 | <@Tamber> | xD |
| 14:21 | <@Tarinaky> | The wikipedia article mentions a theorum which, when I looked it up, was about prooving there're an infinite number of primes of the form an+b. |
| 14:22 | < Syk> | hey tamber |
| 14:23 | < Syk> | Tamber: i have a new way of solving all of the euler problems |
| 14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Does it involve an implementation of Case Based Reasoning and Natural Language Processing? |
| 14:23 | < Syk> | Tamber: writing an algorithm that searches google for 'project euler solution problem #<num>', getting the first few results, and printing the most common answer |
| 14:23 | <@Tamber> | It involves re-defining the universe so that all the solutions are "1", knowing Syk. |
| 14:23 | <@Tamber> | ha |
| 14:24 | <@Tarinaky> | Oddly, I was pretty close to the truth. |
| 14:24 | <@Tarinaky> | Just with a few ounces of mechanical turk. |
| 14:25 | < ShellNinja> | Tarinaky: Short version of FCT: You use a bunch of functions added together to approximate another function which you want to analyze, or make a circuit for, or something else that won't work for a function defined with an arbitrary mathematical expression, but will work for a sum of standardized functions that added up are close enough to the target function. |
| 14:25 | <@Tarinaky> | circuit? |
| 14:26 | < ShellNinja> | Yeah. Like a filter or some shit. |
| 14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh, you mean an electronic circuit. |
| 14:26 | < ShellNinja> | Yes. |
| 14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay, where's the convergence bit? |
| 14:28 | < ShellNinja> | It goes like this: These functions you sum up are in an order in which they matter. The first one matters a lot to the outcome, the second matters less, the third matters even less, etc. So instead of infinite precision (which you can't apply in practice) you get finite precision by setting the amount of subsidiary functions you want to use. |
| 14:28 | < Syk> | Tamber: also, my generator also can be used as a CES generator, apparently |
| 14:29 | < ShellNinja> | For an infinite number of these functions, their sum converges on the target function. |
| 14:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah... This is for a Pure Mathematics module. |
| 14:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Infinite Precision is possible. |
| 14:34 | <@Tarinaky> | At least for the purposes of looking clever >.> |
| 14:40 | < ShellNinja> | Very short version: FCT is the recipe on how to make a close-enough approximation of an arbitrary function out of sinusoids. |
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| 14:49 | < ShellNinja> | Hum. Is there some kind of virtual machine software for Android? |
| 14:51 | <@TheWatcher> | Don't think so. The only think showing up in the app store is 'Limbo PC emulator', but no vm software AFAICT |
| 14:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, and there's another, antroid-pc. another x86 emulator. |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | huh |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | as in |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | emulating android, or emulating on android |
| 14:53 | <@TheWatcher> | emulating on android. Claims to be able to run PC software. |
| 14:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Just very slowly, I expect. |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | hahaha nooooooooope |
| 14:53 | < ShellNinja> | What I want to do is run Linux inside a virtual machine environment on Android. |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | TheWatcher: someone used an x86 emu on the iPhone 3GS |
| 14:54 | < Syk> | it took half an hour for windows 95 to boot |
| 14:54 | < Syk> | ShellNinja: you won't get anything meaningfully useful |
| 14:54 | <@TheWatcher> | ShellNinja: why? |
| 14:54 | < Syk> | ShellNinja: why don't you use the linux in android already? |
| 14:54 | < Syk> | or just ssh to a remote vm |
| 14:55 | < Syk> | man i think google analytics is a bit whacked |
| 14:55 | <@TheWatcher> | (of course, for hilariousness: run a linux install inside limbo pc, and then run the android dev kit in there to emulate an android phone, running limbo PC...) |
| 14:55 | < Syk> | '336 people visited this site' |
| 14:55 | < Syk> | i don't think so... |
| 14:56 | < ShellNinja> | What kind of support can I get from Android where it comes to external wifi adapters? |
| 14:56 | < ShellNinja> | I haven't even found a proper terminal emulator on my tablet. |
| 14:56 | < Syk> | ShellNinja: anywhere from 'none' to 'laughable' |
| 14:56 | < Syk> | I dont know if it would be in the kernel |
| 14:56 | < Syk> | you could compile your own with the driver in |
| 14:57 | < Syk> | but there might not be firmware compatible with ARM |
| 14:57 | < Syk> | ShellNinja: ConnectBot |
| 14:57 | <@TheWatcher> | ^-- |
| 14:57 | < Syk> | you can get a local term on that |
| 14:57 | < Syk> | Irssi Connectbot is better if you use irssi at all |
| 14:57 | < ShellNinja> | I see. |
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| 15:12 | <@Tarinaky> | Back, |
| 15:18 | < Syk> | in a colour devoid of hue? |
| 15:22 | <@iospace> | Man, you don't realize how useful Vim is until you start using it at your job... then you realize you're flying through and the moment you go to an editor that's not Vim it feels slow |
| 15:22 | < Syk> | i like sublime text |
| 15:22 | < Syk> | it makes my LaTeX pretty colours |
| 15:29 | <@RobinStamer> | vim or GTFO |
| 15:30 | <@RobinStamer> | However, I'll also accept if you use emacs. |
| 15:30 | <@RobinStamer> | Simply because I assume it's still relevant. (Never understood how to use it myself) |
| 15:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | Sublime text is pretty nice, but inexplicably a lot of the commands don't show up under C-S-p |
| 15:45 | <@Tarinaky> | Hey hey. Are the Python people about yet >.> |
| 15:47 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: I use nano |
| 15:47 | < Syk> | :( what should I do |
| 15:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm pythonish. |
| 15:48 | <@RobinStamer> | Syk: try one of the others, keep using your crutch as needed |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Looking for advice on what to do with my code. |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | And how best to approach doing a bitmap based ui in pyglet. Particularly given what I already have >.> |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | (Link: https://github.com/Tarinaky/Roentgen) |
| 15:50 | <@Pandemic> | shipping and HR "we need more phone" me " we are replacing the entier system in 2 months, shut it. |
| 15:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | Personally my recommendation would be "use an existing gui library for pyglet" |
| 15:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Assuming there are any. I haven't used it. |
| 15:52 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't think there is one. |
| 15:52 | <@Tarinaky> | Certainly not with anything approximating documentation >.> |
| 15:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Googling shows Kytten, which is not remotely documented, and not much else :/ |
| 15:55 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm suree there's something to learn in it anyway. |
| 15:55 | <@Tarinaky> | Also,m internet connection is messed up again. |
| 16:00 | <@Tarinaky> | There we go, I'm back. |
| 16:09 | <@Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: So where do I go from here? |
| 16:09 | < ErikMesoy> | North. |
| 16:09 | | * Tarinaky is eaten by a Grue. |
| 16:09 | <@RobinStamer> | "Tomhave tried to "fix a glitch" in the /etc/passwd file that was creating a series of errant commas for non-entered data. He opened the file in Notepad under Windows for Workgroups and did a quick "replace all" and saved the file, the system file" <-- why Windows admins should never be allowed file-level access to UNIX. |
| 16:10 | <@Tarinaky> | non-entered data? |
| 16:11 | <@RobinStamer> | "Data" a program didn't get from user input. Might actually be valid data. |
| 16:12 | < Syk> | http://reddrgn.net/wave.html < i maded a thing |
| 16:12 | < ErikMesoy> | Nice pixels. |
| 16:18 | < Syk> | yus |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. I meant where do I go from here wrt a bitmap ui >.> |
| 16:25 | <@RobinStamer> | http://imgur.com/gallery/C2aLM |
| 16:39 | <@Tarinaky> | The main thing I'm having issue with is I don't really know what the bitmaps should look like >.< |
| 16:45 | <@Tarinaky> | All the resources on google seem to relate to... well... having a widgets kit available. |
| 16:51 | <@iospace> | i have a legitimate "Free(Buffer)" that doesn't check to see if Buffer is NULL |
| 16:56 | < Barrell_R> | iospace: I don't see the issue, if you're talking about ordinary libc free(3), since it's defined by the C spec that free(NULL) is supposed to be a no-op. |
| 16:59 | <@iospace> | two words |
| 16:59 | <@iospace> | seg faults |
| 16:59 | <@iospace> | we're not using the C std lib |
| 17:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yay nonconformant libc implementations~ |
| 17:08 | <@RobinStamer> | iospace: #define free(x) if (NULL != (x)) { free((x)); } |
| 17:09 | <@iospace> | ToxicFrog: blame Intel :P |
| 17:09 | <@iospace> | this is UEFI |
| 17:09 | <@iospace> | RobinStamer: i may use that o: |
| 17:22 | <@iospace> | also, i managed to shave off like 50 lines of code o: |
| 17:22 | <@iospace> | (not by using that macro, by redoing my code) |
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| 18:34 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | I don't see why it'd be a nonconformant libc if it's called Free(), not free() |
| 18:35 | <@Tamber> | Presumably it's the "blows up on trying to free NULL." that makes it nonconformant. |
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| 19:18 | <@iospace> | so |
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| 19:18 | <@iospace> | i looked at the FreePool(x) code for UEFI |
| 19:18 | <@Tamber> | la |
| 19:18 | <@iospace> | (it's open source so FUCKYEAHNONDA) |
| 19:18 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 19:18 | <@iospace> | in Debug mode, it asserts if x is null |
| 19:18 | <&McMartin> | NONDAINSPACE |
| 19:18 | <@iospace> | which broke my coworker XD |
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| 19:27 | < mac> | what does "$" mean when it pertains to javascript? |
| 19:27 | < Jonny> | Variable? (I dunno) |
| 19:30 | <@gnolam> | jQuery utility class. |
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| 19:35 | < mac> | thx gnolam |
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| 19:54 | <@RobinStamer> | Note that jQuery isn't the only toolkit that'll try and nab that variable |
| 19:54 | <@celticminstrel> | ??? |
| 19:54 | <@RobinStamer> | <mac> what does "$" mean when it pertains to javascript? |
| 19:54 | <@celticminstrel> | Aha. |
| 19:55 | <@RobinStamer> | So I suggest actually looking at what libs are in use. IIRC it's mootools that is the other big one to grab it |
| 19:55 | <@RobinStamer> | Also note that jQuery can be "configured" to not grab that, specifically because other toolkits can and will. |
| 19:56 | <@RobinStamer> | (The alternate variable for jQuery to grab is `jQuery`) |
| 19:57 | <@celticminstrel> | I think the key point here is that $ is an identifier character. :P |
| 19:57 | <@RobinStamer> | If you meant "variable that anything can assign to" then yeah |
| 19:58 | <@celticminstrel> | Well yes, but more generally $ is a character that can appear in any variable name. |
| 19:59 | <@RobinStamer> | Speaking of "variable that anything can assign to", `undefined` isn't actually a keyword. It's just a variable. That's usually not defined. So have fun with that trap. |
| 19:59 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 19:59 | <@celticminstrel> | I forget, can you undefine a variable? |
| 19:59 | <@RobinStamer> | Yes |
| 19:59 | <@RobinStamer> | unset |
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| 23:05 | | * Derakon mutters at serial interfaces. |
| 23:06 | <&Derakon> | Well, more at PySerial. |
| 23:06 | <&Derakon> | Which lacks a "read until character or timeout" function, so I have to implement it by hand. |
| 23:06 | <&Derakon> | (I want to read until a newline arrives, and not have to wait for the timeout) |
| 23:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Auth system overhaul: sucessful. |
| 23:07 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 23:07 | <&Derakon> | (telnetlib has read_eager() and read_until()) |
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| 23:12 | <&Derakon> | The annoying thing is that all this back-and-forth is a real limit on the speed with which I can operate. |
| 23:13 | <&Derakon> | Send command to move the X axis to A. Read response, one character at a time. Ask for errors; read response (ditto) Send command to move the Y axis to B. Read response, ask for errors, read response. |
| 23:13 | <&Derakon> | Ask for the position of both movers, read response, ask for errors, read response, repeat until positions match from one call to the next. |
| 23:13 | <&Derakon> | Then we can move to the next position. |
| 23:14 | <&Derakon> | I could eliminate the error-checking, I suppose, but then if it fails things become very opaque. |
| 23:14 | <&Derakon> | I could eliminate calls to read if I knew exactly how long the response should be, but I don't. |
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