| --- Log opened Sat Nov 24 00:00:07 2012 |
| 00:29 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:31 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 01:11 | | * Vornicus pokes vaguely at arts. |
| 01:26 | <@simon_> | In Soviet Russia, though... |
| 01:27 | <&McMartin> | People named Arthur poke you? |
| 01:28 | <@simon_> | arts is short for Arthur? I didn't know. I thought he meant The Arts |
| 01:28 | <@simon_> | where "poking the arts" would mean "attempting to create art" |
| 01:28 | | * simon_ makes up language in his own head whenever he doesn't understand. |
| 01:32 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, but arts can't poke you. |
| 01:35 | | * Vornicus is working on planet graphics and trying to make them look... sensible. |
| 01:43 | <~Vornicus> | Solid circles aren't much fun |
| 01:47 | | syksleep is now known as Syk |
| 01:47 | < Syk> | i hate ordering things from America |
| 01:48 | < Syk> | >Shipping on a half-pound box: $59, lol |
| 01:48 | < Syk> | and SOMEHOW it gets here faster than goddamn domestic mail |
| 01:49 | < gnolam> | Where is this? |
| 01:50 | < Syk> | from Arizona to Middle Of Nowhere, Australia |
| 01:51 | < Syk> | wtf shipping it to Perth is only $30 |
| 01:51 | < Syk> | getting from Perth to me is not $30 worth :| |
| 01:52 | < gnolam> | Ah. Well, you see... from the US they can simply fly over Australia and airdrop the box at the nearest post office, whereas with your domestic mail they have to rely on a homing kangaroo relay. |
| 01:52 | < gnolam> | So you pay more for the fuel, but it gets there a lot faster. |
| 01:52 | < Syk> | heh |
| 01:52 | < Syk> | i think thats about right |
| 01:52 | < Syk> | i air-freighted a Cisco a few months ago |
| 01:53 | < Syk> | took four weeks to get here |
| 01:53 | < Syk> | i'm pretty sure they were just using a mass of galahs |
| 01:53 | < Syk> | anyway brb |
| 02:12 | <@simon_> | McMartin, by arts poking you I imagined one would be affected by art. if nothing else, art is by definition that which can affect you. |
| 02:29 | < Syk> | now to actually start working again... |
| 02:40 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. Each class has a size and a dominant color. |
| 02:43 | <~Vornicus> | Class 3 planets have moons; class 4 planets have a ring so they're obviously awesome. |
| 02:43 | <~Vornicus> | Class 2 planets might have a moon. |
| 02:44 | <~Vornicus> | The dominant colors are less saturated than that of the ships; also they've got some vague geography. |
| 02:44 | <~Vornicus> | They're only like 30 px across at the largest. |
| 02:53 | <~Vornicus> | But drawing Vague Geography is not my strong suit at all. Jerith knows me too well, it seems |
| 02:54 | < Syk> | "before you go further, 4.2 is the most bugridden android that has ever existed." < List of developers not having fun: ParanoidAndroid, CyanogenMod devs |
| 02:59 | <&McMartin> | I find this claim difficult to credit |
| 03:03 | | * simon_ realizes how everything outside of Europe isn't so closely distanced. |
| 03:04 | <&McMartin> | "An American thinks 200 years is a long time; a Brit thinks 200km is a long way." |
| 03:04 | <@simon_> | ah :) |
| 03:05 | <@simon_> | visiting my family in one part of Canada and my friend on exchange in another costs almost the same as going to Canada from Denmark. |
| 03:05 | < Syk> | simon_: my capital city is 3500km away |
| 03:05 | < Syk> | the closest actual city is 800km |
| 03:05 | < Syk> | :> |
| 03:06 | <@simon_> | where in the world is that? |
| 03:06 | < Syk> | Australia! |
| 03:06 | | * Syk lives near the WA/NT border |
| 03:07 | < Syk> | there is literally nothing for hundreds of kilometers |
| 03:07 | <@simon_> | do they have a university? |
| 03:07 | < Syk> | uh, my town? |
| 03:07 | < Syk> | no, we have 4,500 people |
| 03:07 | < Syk> | Perth has like 6, Darwin has two or so, although I think they might be agricultural unis |
| 03:08 | | * McMartin meanwhile is in Silicon Valley, as part of a "metro area" that is actually over 100 individual cities and that everyone tends to treat as a single point on the map |
| 03:08 | < Syk> | heh |
| 03:09 | < Syk> | McMartin: well it's only a couple of km across, isn't it? :P |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | San Francisco, yes. |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | That's one of the hundred-odd cities in the SF Bay Area |
| 03:10 | < Syk> | the shire concept of cities here confuses me |
| 03:10 | < Syk> | as Perth is like... 30 cities |
| 03:10 | < Syk> | the "City Of Perth" is only like the CBD |
| 03:10 | | * iospace eats Syk |
| 03:10 | | * simon_ lives in Copenhagen, a capital you can actually run through in one day. |
| 03:10 | < Syk> | since there's City Of South Perth |
| 03:10 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, the Bay Area isn't that. That's Los Angeles :D |
| 03:11 | <&McMartin> | The SF region is more like a bunch of cities that used to be separated and then grew until they couldn't any more. |
| 03:11 | <&McMartin> | There is not a lot of cultural cohesion |
| 03:11 | <@simon_> | s/one day/a few hours/ |
| 03:11 | < Syk> | http://www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au/images/layout/home/header-bg.jpg |
| 03:11 | < Syk> | you see those building? |
| 03:11 | < Syk> | s |
| 03:11 | <&McMartin> | It would appear that the SF Bay Area is 18,088 km^2 |
| 03:11 | < Syk> | you think they might go on |
| 03:11 | < Syk> | (hint: that's all the tall buildings that Perth has) |
| 03:11 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 03:12 | <&McMartin> | Is Western Australia still close enough to the Ring of Fire to be earthquake country? |
| 03:12 | < Syk> | McMartin: nope |
| 03:14 | <&McMartin> | Also, we no longer host the murder capital of the United States |
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| 04:24 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. Class 1 planets are white to grey, class 2 are red to yellow, class 3 are yellow to green, class 4 are green to blue. |
| 04:38 | < Syk> | where does blue = best come from anyway? |
| 04:38 | < Syk> | C&C3 has the pristine zones as Blue Zones |
| 04:44 | < Nemu> | Best should be SSS Platinum. Just replace the colour with letters |
| 04:44 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 04:47 | <&McMartin> | If you're going RYG, B is "after" G in the spectrum. |
| 04:47 | <~Vornicus> | Also green to blue makes it look like Earth, sort of |
| 04:50 | < Syk> | McMartin: hm |
| 04:50 | < Syk> | heh there is also a blue alert |
| 04:50 | < Syk> | "Go to blue alert!" "But why, Sir?" "This is a serious situation and we need to reflect it!" "Are you absolutely sure, Sir? It does mean changing the bulb." |
| 04:51 | <&McMartin> | Syk: Yeah, there isn't an obvious reason to pick Blue as over or under green, psychologically. |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | Red and Yellow are both "hot" colors, while Blue and Green are 'cool' |
| 04:52 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 04:52 | < Syk> | i guess blue is cooler than green |
| 04:52 | < Syk> | or something |
| 04:52 | < Nemu> | You could organize the colours based on how they stimulate the retina and are processed by the visual pathways |
| 04:53 | < Nemu> | I believe red-green colour antagonism is processed faster than blue-yellow |
| 04:53 | < Nemu> | So, make those the extremes of the organizational spectrum |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | Er |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | Aren't dichromats unable to distinguish red and green? |
| 04:54 | < Nemu> | You'd still have that problem in the original colour specification, though |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | True enough, I suppose |
| 04:55 | < Syk> | it's weird |
| 04:55 | < Syk> | apparently some 5% of people are colourblind |
| 04:55 | < Nemu> | That's why D,C,B,A,S,SS,SSS,SSS SUPERPLATINUM is a better method |
| 04:55 | < Syk> | yet I have only known one in my entire life |
| 04:55 | <&McMartin> | SSS SUPERPLATINUM ALERT? |
| 04:55 | < Nemu> | TAIHEN DESU! |
| 04:55 | < Nemu> | Err, shit. I'm in the wrong room for that kind of joke |
| 04:55 | < Syk> | Nemu: Interplanetary DMC? |
| 04:56 | < Nemu> | Heh |
| 04:56 | < Nemu> | I'm not sure what a super-platinum alert light would look like |
| 04:56 | < Syk> | it'd look awesome |
| 04:56 | < Syk> | but it would be counterproductive |
| 04:56 | < Nemu> | You could spray everything down with chrome |
| 04:56 | < Syk> | "Man, that alert bulb looks smokin'." "What's it alerting us to?" "Oh right, there's some missiles inco-" |
| 04:57 | <&McMartin> | ACTIVATE COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL DISCO |
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| 04:58 | < Syk> | DIPLOMACY THROUGH THE POWER OF DANCE |
| 04:58 | <&McMartin> | This is probably already like six games that Japan never exported |
| 04:59 | < Syk> | united nations resorts to their last known tactic: sweet beats |
| 04:59 | <&McMartin> | Altered Beats. |
| 05:00 | < Nemu> | It's probably an Ouendan scenario. |
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| 05:07 | | cpux is now known as birthdaypux |
| 05:08 | <&McMartin> | Or Space Channel 5. |
| 05:08 | | * McMartin can't come up with a working Altered Beast parody |
| 05:28 | <@Alek> | bloop |
| 05:32 | <~Vornicus> | I'm actually doing both size and color; the size categories are pretty far apart. |
| 05:32 | <~Vornicus> | Colorblindness is a known issue. I've spoken about my occasional issues in here. |
| 06:30 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|breakfast |
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| 07:09 | <@Alek> | related: http://weknowmemes.com/2012/01/can-you-guess-what-these-pictures-are/ |
| 07:10 | < AnnoDomini> | My initial guess was something like, "magnified worn-out coins". |
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| 07:22 | | Kindamoody|breakfast is now known as Kindamoody |
| 07:25 | < Syk> | i don't get why there's a trollface associated with that |
| 07:25 | < Syk> | since it's not trolling at all ovO |
| 07:25 | <@Tamber> | Because internet. |
| 07:32 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|out |
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| 07:43 | < AnnoDomini> | It's there because you're led to believe they're planets and with that you are misleeeeed! |
| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | <Syk> DIPLOMACY THROUGH THE POWER OF DANCE |
| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | <Syk> united nations resorts to their last known tactic: sweet beats |
| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | reminds me of the intro to http://www.tjoonz.com/dubstep/excision-shambhala-2011-dubstep-mix/ |
| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | wait, no |
| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | must be the 2010 one, I guess |
| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | that said, good mix to listen to |
| 07:51 | < thalass> | I keep expecting to encounter Transformers whenever i hear dubstep. :P |
| 07:51 | <@froztbyte> | hehe |
| 07:53 | <@Alek> | http://weknowmemes.com/2012/09/unimpressed-everyone/ |
| 07:55 | <@froztbyte> | the intro on http://electronicexplorations.org/?show=bong-ra-2 is cool too |
| 08:05 | < Syk> | man |
| 08:05 | < Syk> | amazon is like |
| 08:05 | < Syk> | "hey syka, you can buy a horse mask, delivered to your door by christmas!" |
| 08:05 | < Syk> | amazon marketing emails are weird |
| 08:06 | <@Tamber> | ...is that one of those horse masks that I keep seeing in random pictures over imgur? |
| 08:06 | < Syk> | yep |
| 08:06 | <@Tamber> | (I'm not going to go looking, I'll only screw up my recommendations even more.) |
| 08:07 | <@froztbyte> | look in a private browser |
| 08:07 | <@Tamber> | ...good point! |
| 08:09 | | * Alek pokes Vorn. |
| 08:09 | <@Alek> | http://weknowmemes.com/2012/07/can-you-solve-this/ |
| 08:10 | < thalass> | I'm probably wrong, but 0.5? |
| 08:11 | <@Tamber> | I have 288. |
| 08:11 | < thalass> | Though i'm working on a vague recollection that it goes brackets, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division. |
| 08:12 | < thalass> | Vorn the Mathemagician will know! |
| 08:12 | < thalass> | Or possibly my phone |
| 08:12 | <@Tamber> | BODMAS. |
| 08:12 | <&jerith> | 2 |
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| 08:13 | <&jerith> | The order of the multiplication and division is ambiguous, but usually leaving out the operator is an indication that the bits are bound more tightly. |
| 08:14 | <@Tamber> | And this is why I paren the hell out of things. :) |
| 08:15 | < Thalass|afk> | Damnit, phone says 288. Handbrain is always right. >.< |
| 08:16 | < Thalass|afk> | And, well, how did i randomly turn 48/24 into 24/48. I have some special maths skills all right. |
| 08:16 | <@Tamber> | 48 2 / 9 3 + * is how I understand it; but I'm thick of mud, and never did learn much in maths. ;) |
| 08:17 | | mode/#code [+oooooooooooooo Zemyla Reiv_ Reiver Orthia birthdaypux Moltare Reiv AnnoDomini Nemu gnolam Thalass|afk auREAX Syk VirusHome] by Tamber |
| 08:25 | <@Syk> | BIMDAS works from left to right |
| 08:26 | <@Syk> | 20 x 5 / 10 = 10 |
| 08:27 | <@AnnoDomini> | Lessee. Brackets first, division, then multiplication. Yeah, 288. |
| 08:28 | <@Syk> | it's brackets, (multiplication division), (subtraction addition) |
| 08:28 | <@Syk> | division isn't done first, it's done left to right as they're equal operators |
| 08:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm only talking about this specific example. |
| 08:28 | <@Syk> | oh yeah, this one |
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| 08:31 | <@Alek> | yeah. troll math. XD |
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| 09:54 | <@froztbyte> | <jerith> The order of the multiplication and division is ambiguous, but usually leaving out the operator is an indication that the bits are bound more tightly. |
| 09:54 | <@froztbyte> | that |
| 09:55 | <@froztbyte> | that said, the example is specifically designed to try to be stupid |
| 09:58 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 10:05 | <&jerith> | There's "the correct way to do it" and "the way the person writing it probably expects it to be done". |
| 10:10 | <@AnnoDomini> | I suppose it could have mutated from 48/(18+6). But I wouldn't write it the way it was presented. |
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| 10:43 | <@Syk> | man, having a coffee machine in the house is probably bad for my health |
| 10:43 | <@Syk> | since i can have a coffee whenever i want |
| 10:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | Probably terrible on your teeth. |
| 10:56 | < Thalass|teevee> | Indeed. We got one of those pod coffee things, and we're going through them like crazy |
| 11:04 | <@Syk> | uuugh |
| 11:04 | <@Syk> | okay so |
| 11:04 | <@Syk> | i just realised the reason for my tummy problems |
| 11:04 | <@Syk> | milk went out of date three days ago |
| 11:04 | <@Syk> | well, two |
| 11:14 | < Thalass|teevee> | ew |
| 11:14 | < Thalass|teevee> | Does it smell bad? Just because it's out of date doesn't mean it's automatically gone off. |
| 11:25 | <@Syk> | Thalass|teevee: well it didnt smell great |
| 11:25 | <@Syk> | and seeing as i'm now having the usual digestive problems :< |
| 12:27 | < Thalass|teevee> | woe |
| 12:39 | <@Syk> | yeah |
| 12:39 | <@Syk> | asdf i should do some actual work today |
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| 13:16 | <@Azash> | I should too, guess it's time to be productivvpfpvfpfpvffpfpf |
| 13:20 | | * Syk infects Azash with Productivity Syndrome |
| 13:21 | <@Syk> | side effects may include: things being done, coffee consumption, death |
| 13:21 | <@Azash> | Emphasis on may |
| 13:21 | <@Azash> | :P |
| 13:25 | <@Syk> | well, the third option is probably more likely for me, looking at the "Line 1, Column 1" in ST2... |
| 13:28 | | * Azash stares intently at the code, hopes that it will develop itself |
| 13:28 | <@Syk> | i think i might do a little useless side project |
| 13:28 | <@Syk> | because i can |
| 13:29 | <@Azash> | The best reason |
| 13:32 | <@Syk> | indeed |
| 13:33 | <&McMartin> | It is helpful to clear the mind |
| 13:36 | <@Azash> | The day I finish my current project I am going to get wasted and then start around six hobby projects |
| 13:36 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 13:36 | | * McMartin just finished on of his! |
| 13:36 | <&McMartin> | *one |
| 13:36 | <@Syk> | my favourite part of demo code is when it doesn't work |
| 13:39 | <@Syk> | oh great now i broke wxpython |
| 13:39 | | * Thalass|teevee flops bedwards, as morning shift starts in seven hours. |
| 13:40 | <&McMartin> | Sun should be coming up here soon |
| 13:40 | <@gnolam> | Syk: that's not hard to do. :P |
| 13:40 | <@gnolam> | It sort of comes prebroken. |
| 13:40 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: ... so what are you doing up then? |
| 13:40 | <@Syk> | there was 2.6 and 2.8 |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | i installed 2.8 first |
| 13:41 | <&McMartin> | Circadian rhythm was completely destroyed by a bout of illness |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | the demo wasn't working, so i was like maybe i should try 2.6 |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | then the demo didn't work /at all/ |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | so i uninstalled 2.6 |
| 13:41 | <@Azash> | McMartin: What'd you finish? |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | ...and then reinstalled 2.8 |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | ...and now it doesn't work |
| 13:41 | <&McMartin> | Azash: That dynamic terrain demo I posted in here a few days ago |
| 13:41 | <@Azash> | Didn't see |
| 13:41 | <@gnolam> | Ok, that's just odd. You're not trying to use it in Python 3, are you? |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | gnolam: nope |
| 13:41 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/ground.zip |
| 13:41 | <@Syk> | it was working before |
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| 13:42 | <&McMartin> | (Requires a DX9.0c-capable card, but anything recent enough to, say, play Bastion should handle it) |
| 13:42 | <@gnolam> | Also, thanks for that McMartin. Now I have Ghost's version of "Here Comes the Sun" stuck in my head. >:( |
| 13:43 | <@Azash> | Dynamically generated terrain, McMartin? |
| 13:43 | <&McMartin> | Azash: Yeah, it's a plasma fractal texture loaded into a texture and then interpreted as a height map |
| 13:43 | <@Syk> | how do i break things so easy |
| 13:43 | <@Azash> | McMartin: I know some of those words |
| 13:43 | <&McMartin> | OK, so |
| 13:44 | <&McMartin> | "Yes, the mountains there are generated algorithmically" |
| 13:44 | <@Azash> | Well, I got it except for "plasma fractal" |
| 13:44 | <&McMartin> | Plasma fractal, aka midpoint displacement fractal, is a specific algorithm you saw a lot of in the early 1990s demoscene >_> |
| 13:45 | <&McMartin> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plasmafractal.gif |
| 13:45 | <@Syk> | YAY i fixed it again |
| 13:45 | <&McMartin> | So the CPU builds that, and extends it every thousand frames or so |
| 13:45 | <@Azash> | Woo |
| 13:45 | <@Syk> | and now PythonMagick isn't working |
| 13:45 | <&McMartin> | And it also, each frame, submits a flat grid of vertices to the graphics card |
| 13:45 | <@Azash> | McMartin: Alright, and you say that it's converted into a heightmap? |
| 13:45 | <&McMartin> | No, it stays a texture |
| 13:46 | <&McMartin> | All the rendering beyond the flat grid is handled by vertex and pixel shaders |
| 13:46 | <@Syk> | i'm assuming McMartin's doing it how Dark Reign did |
| 13:46 | <&McMartin> | The vertex shader interprets the texture *as* a height map. |
| 13:46 | <@Azash> | Right |
| 13:46 | <@Syk> | that the height map is coloured for height |
| 13:46 | <@Azash> | Ah, alright |
| 13:46 | <@Syk> | so the darker it is, the taller the point is |
| 13:46 | <@Syk> | it's then textured over |
| 13:46 | <@Syk> | Azash: think like cartography maps, how darker sections are taller |
| 13:46 | <&McMartin> | Actually, I'm using a 1D procedural texture, and the standard lighting model |
| 13:47 | <@Syk> | and you can see how tall a hill is through the colour |
| 13:47 | <@Azash> | Syk: Yeah I know |
| 13:47 | <@Syk> | liek that |
| 13:47 | <&McMartin> | Except I'm computing those in the pixel shader, and I'm working out angles in the vertex shader too. |
| 13:47 | <@Azash> | I was kind of trying to ask if it was that way but I guess 'converted' was the wrong word |
| 13:47 | <&McMartin> | (In a real system, you'd actually work out the normals with the heightmap and store it in a separate texture) |
| 13:47 | <@Syk> | now this is where i get lost |
| 13:47 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, 'interpreted' is better than 'converted' |
| 13:47 | <@Syk> | because i don't know anything about 3D or anything :< |
| 13:48 | <@Azash> | McMartin: Do you reuse memory that was given to now-not-visible areas? |
| 13:48 | <&McMartin> | Syk: Basically, the way you get the most basic shading is by having a virtual light source - basically, what direction the sun is coming from - and you darken it based on how much your polygon face is turned away from it |
| 13:48 | <&McMartin> | The math for that isn't hard but it is repetitive |
| 13:48 | <&McMartin> | So I have the vertex shader do that too |
| 13:48 | <&McMartin> | Azash: yes. One 256x256 texture is allocated at the very start of the program and it is continuously reused. |
| 13:49 | <&McMartin> | That's the rewrite every thousand frames or so |
| 13:49 | | * Azash can now stop staring intently at the memory used by the program |
| 13:49 | <&McMartin> | (scrolling: also the vertex shader) |
| 13:50 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, it turns out that doing texture lookups during the vertex shader step didn't actually show up in graphics cards until partway through the DirectX 9 era |
| 13:51 | <&McMartin> | (Which is why when you look at sysreqs for games, they will often say "DirectX 9 with Shader Model 3 support") |
| 13:52 | | * Azash nods |
| 13:54 | <&McMartin> | Also, I should stop having Laura Shigihara singing sad songs on loop |
| 13:57 | <@froztbyte> | I did not know this name |
| 13:57 | <@froztbyte> | her music is enjoyable |
| 13:58 | <&McMartin> | She is perhaps most famous for singing the songs in Plants vs. Zombies |
| 13:58 | <&McMartin> | But she also sang the songs in To The Moon, which I just beat. |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | so I moments ago read on her profile |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | I don't even recall hearing the PvZ soundtrack |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | but then I acquired mine via via via |
| 13:59 | <&McMartin> | It was actually in the ads and IIRC the end credits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ |
| 14:00 | <@froztbyte> | my internet rarely has ads. of any sort. |
| 14:00 | <&McMartin> | This is a Very Different Song from "Everything's Alright" |
| 14:00 | <&McMartin> | Well, OK, trailers |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | same issue :) |
| 14:01 | <&McMartin> | Ah |
| 14:01 | <@Azash> | What do you listen to for coding? |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | my feeds are very strongly IRC-driven |
| 14:01 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | acts as a magnificent content filter |
| 14:01 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I tend to track trailers of games I'm evaluating for possible purchase |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | yeah, I figured |
| 14:01 | | * froztbyte is still clearing out the backlog on his |
| 14:02 | <@froztbyte> | speaking of |
| 14:02 | <&McMartin> | As for coding music, of late I've actually been using the Frozen Synapse soundtrack, which is mostly meditative electronica |
| 14:02 | <@froztbyte> | her one vid has reminded me that I wish to try get FF8 running in a VM or something |
| 14:02 | <@froztbyte> | so that I can pass the VM some crappy emulated 3D device |
| 14:02 | <@froztbyte> | (so that I can get the "hardware" rendering working..) |
| 14:03 | <@Azash> | Meditative electronica? Sounds interesting |
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| 14:03 | | * Azash usually just overcaffeinates and listens to drum'n'bass or hip hop instrumentals |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | try the Hackers OST sometime |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | and the Cruel Intentions OST |
| 14:05 | <&McMartin> | A sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_jczxh7bE |
| 14:05 | <@Azash> | No sound right now, I'm afraid :( |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | hrm: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5731.msg73847#msg73847 |
| 14:05 | | * Azash puts it on Watch later |
| 14:05 | <&McMartin> | A lot of the tracks also have names like "Concentrate" and "The Plan", so the iconified player is also a suggestion to get to work~ |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: well, thanks for mentioning her name |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | I'll certainly check more of it out |
| 14:05 | <&McMartin> | At your service |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | she's got a very nice voice to listen to |
| 14:06 | <&McMartin> | Yes |
| 14:06 | <@froztbyte> | feed me music over time |
| 14:06 | | * froztbyte needs as many ideas as possible for http://vu.vuze.la |
| 14:07 | <@Azash> | One project idea I wanted to share, by the way, as I think I don't have the expertise to work on it myself |
| 14:07 | <@Azash> | HTML5 open format game streaming |
| 14:07 | <@froztbyte> | huh?? |
| 14:07 | <@froztbyte> | ?* |
| 14:07 | <@froztbyte> | like, in-browser livestreaming of people's gaming streams? |
| 14:08 | <@Azash> | Like if I'm playing game X |
| 14:08 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: ....man, now I want to buy Frozen Synapse again |
| 14:08 | <@Azash> | A solution for streaming my gaming, using open formats, through HTML5 |
| 14:08 | <@froztbyte> | that music is excellent |
| 14:08 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: realistically, it's pretty easy |
| 14:08 | <@Azash> | It came up the other day when I was streaming some Hitman and seemed like a good idea |
| 14:08 | <@froztbyte> | you have two components |
| 14:08 | <&McMartin> | froztbyte: If you bought it through one of the Humble Bundles you have access through your library page to OST downloads for it |
| 14:09 | <@froztbyte> | and funnily enough, the client side (HTML5) is the easy part. |
| 14:09 | <&McMartin> | (Also, Triumph is my favorite track on the OST) |
| 14:09 | <@Azash> | Yeah, I know |
| 14:09 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: I don't know if I did, I also don't recall which bundles I have |
| 14:09 | <@Azash> | It's the rest that's the problem :P |
| 14:09 | | * froztbyte checks |
| 14:09 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: well, that depends on what software you'd use to screencap |
| 14:09 | <@Syk> | Azash: oh man hitman |
| 14:09 | <@Azash> | Writing software for that was included in the project |
| 14:09 | <@Syk> | Azash: is this the new one? |
| 14:10 | <@Azash> | Yeah |
| 14:10 | <@Syk> | my friend was playing it and i was watching |
| 14:10 | <@Syk> | he screwed up on the level on the train platform |
| 14:10 | <@Syk> | started firing a shotgun into the crowd |
| 14:10 | <@Azash> | Haha |
| 14:10 | <@Syk> | negative 465,000 points |
| 14:10 | <@froztbyte> | screw writing screencap software |
| 14:10 | <@Azash> | Hoo boy |
| 14:10 | <@froztbyte> | just use what's already around |
| 14:11 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: I guess |
| 14:11 | <@froztbyte> | they've already done all the hard work on catching all the various possible rendering modes etc |
| 14:11 | <@froztbyte> | and there is a lot of pain in that. |
| 14:11 | <@Azash> | Well, I'll give it another look when I get home~ |
| 14:11 | <@Azash> | Good point |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | quick idea I have for this is use some screencap software that grabs the picture, dumps it out in mpeg or whatever |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | feed that to vlc, transcode it there to something nice and light |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | then feed it to your browser |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | you can probably hack it up in a few hours at most |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | the vlc transcode bit is quick to get running, and then just takes a bit of tweaking to get the way you want |
| 14:13 | <@Azash> | Why would I feed it to my browser? |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | how else will you watch it? :) |
| 14:13 | <@Azash> | Well, the idea with streaming is to get it to multiple people |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | at least, this I understood to be the point of the exercise |
| 14:14 | <@froztbyte> | oh, you mean your browser in this case |
| 14:14 | <@froztbyte> | to test, of course |
| 14:14 | <@Azash> | True |
| 14:14 | <@Azash> | Well, I'll look at it again |
| 14:14 | <@froztbyte> | and then when you know what you have, just dump the transcode elsewhere or hairpin it through a rebroadcast box somewhere |
| 14:14 | <@Azash> | Syk: On a side note, I'm still working on the first level myself due to starting my first game on maximum difficulty |
| 14:15 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: I'm fairly skeptical of it being that easy though, but if it is, great |
| 14:15 | <@Azash> | Syk: What maximum gives you: Weapon menu, crosshair |
| 14:16 | <&McMartin> | I need to get around to playing Blood Money |
| 14:16 | <@Azash> | I didn't get a tutorial, or even a list of objectives |
| 14:16 | | * Azash gets plopped down in front of a gate and is told to infiltrate a mansion |
| 14:16 | <@Azash> | Blood Money is great |
| 14:17 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: I've got a setup on my germany box that dumps iptv from a friend's home box in ireland, transcodes it down to h264 with some hax, and then I view it in .za at ~800Kbps |
| 14:17 | <@froztbyte> | 704x576@50fps, no issues |
| 14:17 | <@Azash> | Nice |
| 14:17 | <@froztbyte> | the basic version took me about 10 minutes to get working |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | a few hours of tweaking to get a nice picture into that bw profile |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | (and some help from a friend who knows the insides of the h264 codec well) |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | so, yeah, video's gotten a lot easier :) |
| 14:18 | <@Syk> | :< why is this so hard |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: must've been in bundle 4, or any that came out after 6 |
| 14:19 | <@froztbyte> | what're you doing, Syk? |
| 14:20 | <@Syk> | trying to get pythonmagick to work |
| 14:20 | <@Syk> | the documentation link is dead |
| 14:20 | <@Syk> | :| |
| 14:21 | <@Azash> | Some imagemagick relative? |
| 14:21 | <@Syk> | python bindings |
| 14:22 | <@Syk> | ugh |
| 14:24 | | * Azash eyes service that offers free UK VPN |
| 14:24 | <@Azash> | There has to be some catch |
| 14:26 | <@Syk> | Azash: it probably noms all of your bank details |
| 14:26 | <@Azash> | Hm |
| 14:27 | <@Azash> | Maybe I'll just set up a VMWare machine for BBC |
| 14:29 | <@Syk> | atgh |
| 14:29 | <@Syk> | i'm just gonna try another friggin library |
| 14:29 | <@Syk> | oh look, this one has documentation! |
| 14:30 | <@Syk> | holy crap |
| 14:30 | | * Azash gives up, goes to nap |
| 14:30 | <@Azash> | Syk: :O |
| 14:32 | <@froztbyte> | if it's python-pil, you're probably going to hate your life soon |
| 14:32 | <@Syk> | froztbyte: it's Wand |
| 14:32 | <@froztbyte> | haven't used that |
| 14:32 | <@Syk> | which is a ctypes based imagemagick binding |
| 14:32 | <@Syk> | i dunno what anything but imagemagick binding means here, but oh well :D |
| 14:35 | <@Syk> | whooooo it does stuff |
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| 19:30 | <@Alek> | Syk, if you're worried about milk, boil it. gently, stirring frequently, to avoid burning. it'll repasteurize, although much of the protein will curdle, though you can skim that off. |
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| 19:55 | <@simon_> | I'm trying to find a quick way to detect if there are duplicates in my input lines in shell script. |
| 19:56 | <@simon_> | ahh... uniq -d |
| 20:05 | | * celticminstrel checks man to see what that does. |
| 20:06 | < celticminstrel> | Okay, so uniq elminates duplicate lines while -d reverses it to eliminate not-duplicate lines. |
| 20:08 | <@simon_> | yes, uniq -d prints the duplicates |
| 20:08 | <@simon_> | rather than removing them. |
| 20:08 | <@simon_> | (it only works for adjacent lines, so calling `sort' first can be necessary. |
| 20:09 | < celticminstrel> | That's slightly silly, but okay. |
| 20:09 | < celticminstrel> | More importantly, if that's the case, why doesn't the manpage say so? |
| 20:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...it does? |
| 20:14 | < celticminstrel> | I guess I can blame Apple, then. |
| 20:15 | < celticminstrel> | Well, this one doesn't mention it either. http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?uniq |
| 20:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | " -d, --repeated |
| 20:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | only print duplicate lines |
| 20:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | " |
| 20:32 | < celticminstrel> | That implies that if the lines are "123", "123", "456", "123", "123", that it'll print "123" once, not twice. |
| 20:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | "" |
| 20:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | "Note: 'uniq' does not detect repeated lines unless they are adjacent. You may want to sort the input first, or use 'sort -u' without 'uniq'." |
| 20:36 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, you're right. |
| 20:37 | < celticminstrel> | So yes, I can blame Apple. |
| 20:37 | < celticminstrel> | Mine doesn't have that note. |
| 20:56 | <@simon_> | I don't htink sort -u can use uniq's -d behaviour. |
| 20:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, that note is for sort as a whole, not -d specifically |
| 20:58 | <@simon_> | celticminstrel, not having that line is quite misleading. |
| 20:59 | < celticminstrel> | Indeed. |
| 20:59 | < celticminstrel> | TF: For uniq as a whole, not sort. :P |
| 20:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
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| 23:09 | | * TheWatcher horays, gets to try and work out why the fuck LWP::UserAgent (or, more precisely, HTTP::Request::Common) isn't sending file names correctly, by means of trying to dig through its sourcemeats >.< |
| 23:13 | <@Azash> | Oh boy, source digging |
| 23:13 | | * Azash rubs hands together |
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| 23:38 | < celticminstrel> | Okay so... I need to run something when the process created by subprocess.Popen ends, but wait() is not an option... |
| 23:55 | < celticminstrel> | If this were C code, I think handling SIGCHLD would be the way... |
| 23:58 | < celticminstrel> | Or I could just do poll(). |
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