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| 00:48 | < Reiv> | Oh, /joy/ |
| 00:48 | | * Reiv 's queries find 150k desyncs out of 900k records. This is a problem when he should be finding 400k records. >_< |
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| 00:53 | < Azash> | Oh dear :< |
| 00:53 | <~Vornicus> | that's a good day |
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| 01:20 | < sykwerk> | heh |
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| 01:23 | | * gnolam stabs cmake. |
| 01:31 | < io\PACKERS> | what's it doing? |
| 01:32 | <@Tamber> | "Being cmake" |
| 01:32 | <&McMartin> | That was my first thought too |
| 01:32 | <&McMartin> | At least it's not kmk. |
| 01:33 | <@Tamber> | "All build systems suck"? |
| 01:33 | < Azash> | Makefiles~ |
| 01:34 | <@Tamber> | I'm glad I've never done anything complicated enough that a small Makefile won't handle it. :x |
| 01:35 | | * McMartin kinda likes SCons but this may be because he hasn't had to use it for anything. |
| 01:36 | <&Derakon> | This is one reason I like interpreted languages~ |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | Getting easily distributable packages from an interpreted language is a PITA too -_- |
| 01:38 | <&Derakon> | py2app, py2exe, and a decent package manager for Linux~ |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I've used py2exe and it's a massive PITA. |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | Also, as of Python 2.6 or so you also need to redistribute stuff that involves (free, but still) sublicenses of extra components from Visual Studio |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | And to roll your own installer script to make sure all of things are there. |
| 01:39 | <&Derakon> | I admit I haven't tried py2exe yet. |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | It is basically "install python in a directory and have an exe that loads some stuff" |
| 01:40 | <&Derakon> | I figured. |
| 01:40 | <&McMartin> | And this, if you want it to Actually Work, also involves installing the wackass random version of the MSVC++2005/2008 redist your Python distro happened to use. |
| 01:40 | <&Derakon> | 2008 for Python 2.7 from python.org, yeah. |
| 01:40 | <&Derakon> | It's not Python's fault that Microsoft keeps changing the runtime. |
| 01:40 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, but there are about 14 of those, and you need exactly the right one. |
| 01:41 | <&McMartin> | And MS does not permit you to simply bundle the .DLLs |
| 01:41 | <&McMartin> | But you can mirror their .MSI. |
| 01:42 | < sykwerk> | this is why I cry in the corner whenever anything on windows requires python |
| 01:42 | <&McMartin> | (It is Python's fault for not mirroring the redistributables or at the very least directly linking the download) |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | (I'd say "it's their fault for not using MinGW here" but it's not because MinGW is honestly pretty terrible at a lot of things, including producing 64-bit Windows binaries) |
| 01:43 | <&Derakon> | Do you know why py2exe needs a compiler? |
| 01:43 | <&Derakon> | py2app doesn't. |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | This isn't the compiler |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | It's libc. |
| 01:43 | <&Derakon> | Oh right, the runtime. |
| 01:44 | <&Derakon> | I guess that's just compiled into the OSX Python binaries directly? |
| 01:44 | <&McMartin> | That or stuck in Frameworks, since, being glibc and all, you can redistribute it freely. |
| 01:44 | <&McMartin> | While you can't do that with the raw DLLs, you *can* do that with the installer, and I do kind of blame py2exe for not handling that edge of things. |
| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | But at that point you're at "I demand NSIS integration" |
| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | You can also bundle everything you want into a single .exe, which is nice except that it's only doable via reverse-engineering-documented options and the developers freely admit it doesn't actually work. |
| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | (It did for Ophis, but I switched it off just in case.) |
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| 08:22 | < sykwerk> | what a fucking daaaay |
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| 12:27 | | * iospace looks at sykwerk and blinks |
| 12:29 | | * sykwerk noms iospace |
| 12:29 | | sykwerk is now known as Syk |
| 12:29 | < iospace> | o_O |
| 12:29 | < Syk> | today was fun |
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| 12:30 | < iospace> | oh? |
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| 12:30 | < Syk> | iospace: finance manager resigned and my supervisor (IT Manager) resigned today |
| 12:31 | < iospace> | heh |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | iospace: SO today was fun |
| 12:31 | < iospace> | :P |
| 12:35 | <&jerith> | :-/ |
| 12:37 | < Syk> | so yeah |
| 12:37 | < Syk> | tomorrow gonna be like 'make me the interim IT Manager or shit won't get done' |
| 12:38 | <&jerith> | My cunning plan for this week is to be completely out of contact with the non-devs in the company. |
| 12:39 | < Syk> | heheh |
| 12:39 | <&jerith> | Last week was filled with me explaining to poeple that I can't get them numbers and dashboards because I don't have the tools built yet, and I'm not building the tools because people keep asking me for numbers and dashboards. |
| 12:40 | <&jerith> | I've gone from deadline-driven development (which sucks) to "get these damned people off my back"-driven development which sucks a little less. |
| 12:41 | <&jerith> | Hopefully I'll eventually get to "build all the stuff we put off due to deadlines"-driven development soon, and then I'll be back in a position to build new stuff. |
| 12:44 | < Syk> | i am proficient in 'developing isn't your main task so go fix some helpdesk issues' |
| 12:44 | < Syk> | :c |
| 12:45 | < Syk> | okay |
| 12:45 | < Syk> | new credit card |
| 12:45 | < Syk> | now i will attempt not to lose this one |
| 12:59 | < iospace> | :P |
| 13:01 | < Syk> | not good to lose a card with a $9K limit |
| 13:02 | < iospace> | yes |
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| 15:18 | < AnnoDomini> | http://i.imgur.com/uK6PX.jpg |
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| 15:50 | < iospace> | AnnoDomini: cool |
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| 18:19 | | * Tarinaky glares at Java. |
| 18:19 | < Tarinaky> | "Class not found uk.ac.aber.cs211.wordladder.tests.WordTest" |
| 18:21 | < rms> | ha |
| 18:21 | < Tarinaky> | Suggestions? |
| 18:21 | < rms> | Do you have it in a jar |
| 18:21 | < Tarinaky> | No. |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | Wait... |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | I think Eclipse isn't compiling it :/ |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | All of my what. |
| 18:22 | < rms> | did you compile it into a .class |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | How do I do that in Eclipse? |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | I thought it compiled when I saved for Java. |
| 18:23 | < rms> | is the UK directory in any part of the classpath |
| 18:23 | < rms> | No clue, I use vim |
| 18:24 | < Tarinaky> | I don't know, I'm using an IDE. It isn't polite enough to tell me the invocation. |
| 18:24 | < rms> | ... and makefiles |
| 18:24 | < rms> | check the project settings |
| 18:25 | < AnnoDomini> | I remember Eclipse having the most retardedly obtuse system for compiling. |
| 18:25 | < rms> | also your .java might be missing the package header |
| 18:25 | < Tarinaky> | I fucking hate Java. |
| 18:25 | < Tarinaky> | I'm not doing Java without an IDE. |
| 18:25 | < AnnoDomini> | Use NetBeans, then. |
| 18:26 | < AnnoDomini> | Or RealJ, if you're into old shit. |
| 18:26 | < rms> | TBH I find it a bit saner |
| 18:30 | | * Tarinaky tries reinstalling JDK to make sure he actually has it. |
| 18:30 | < Tarinaky> | "3 Billion Devices Run Java" -- hopefully between the lot of them they might be able to run something. |
| 18:31 | <@Tamber> | Write once, debug everywhere. |
| 18:32 | < rms> | I've been using gcj to get native binaries from java lately |
| 18:32 | < Tarinaky> | Using the GNU toolchain on Windows is a bit like driving a screw with a hammer. |
| 18:33 | < Tarinaky> | Not that this stops me, but just saying. |
| 18:34 | < Tarinaky> | Also doesn't get around the obscene amounts of typing involved in a Java invocation. |
| 18:34 | < rms> | Did the package thing help any |
| 18:35 | < Tarinaky> | The package header's there. It was autoadded by the IDE. |
| 18:35 | < Tarinaky> | Which is why I use an IDE. |
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| 18:46 | < Tarinaky> | Finally! |
| 18:46 | < Tarinaky> | I created a new Java Project and copied the .project file from it. |
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| 19:10 | | * Tarinaky smacks his head on the desk repeatedly. |
| 19:10 | < Tarinaky> | INVOKE YOU BASTARD SON OF SMALLTALK |
| 19:10 | < ErikMesoy> | Such language! |
| 19:10 | < Tarinaky> | $ /cygdrive/c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Java/jdk1.7.0_05/bin/javadoc -docletpath c:\Libraries\UmlGraph-5.6.jar -doclet org.umlgraph.doclet.UmlGraph -private -all ClassDiagram.java |
| 19:10 | < Tarinaky> | javadoc: error - Cannot find doclet class org.umlgraph.doclet.UmlGraph |
| 19:10 | < Tarinaky> | 1 error |
| 19:11 | < Tarinaky> | -I- can find the doclet class. |
| 19:11 | < Tarinaky> | It's right here! In the jar file I'm pointing you at with -docletpath |
| 19:11 | < Tarinaky> | Have you tried looking there? |
| 19:11 | < RichyB> | Tarinaky: does that need to be specified again with -cp too? |
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| 19:12 | < Tarinaky> | Not in either the example or my Laptop. |
| 19:12 | < RichyB> | mayhap? /cygdrive/c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Java/jdk1.7.0_05/bin/javadoc -docletpath c:\Libraries\UmlGraph-5.6.jar -cp c:\Libraries\UmlGraph-5.6.jar -doclet org.umlgraph.doclet.UmlGraph -private -all ClassDiagram.java |
| 19:12 | < Tarinaky> | Nope. |
| 19:12 | < Tarinaky> | No change. |
| 19:13 | < RichyB> | Bad guess then, never mind. |
| 19:23 | < Tarinaky> | Got it in the end. |
| 19:23 | < Tarinaky> | It just doesn't like cygwin :/ |
| 19:24 | < Tarinaky> | Also: my lecturers inform me that Java has a built in Graph class. |
| 19:24 | < Tarinaky> | I am unable to find it. |
| 19:31 | <&jerith> | There are at least two things "Graph" could mean in this context. |
| 19:32 | <&jerith> | I'm guessing you're talking about charts or diagrams here, rather than nodes and edges. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | No. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | I mean nodes and edges. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | I went to the toilet and realised I don't need a collection. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | I can just have a list of pointers for the edges. |
| 19:32 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
| 19:32 | <&jerith> | If this were Python, I'd point to networkx. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | I hearby renamed the toilet "The thinking seat" |
| 19:33 | | * jerith heads out. |
| 19:52 | < RichyB> | Tarinaky: how about "The Throne of Cogitation"? |
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| 19:53 | < RichyB> | Oops, wrong button. |
| 19:54 | < Azash> | The throne of business strategy |
| 19:58 | < Moltare> | The Throne of Marketing Department Idea Generation |
| 20:00 | < ErikMesoy> | The Chair of Cogitation, surely |
| 20:00 | < ErikMesoy> | or The Throne of Thought |
| 20:08 | < gnolam> | The Commode of Cogitation. |
| 20:14 | < Tarinaky> | The Throne of Thought! In my Fortress of Solitude.. |
| 20:18 | < Tarinaky> | I feel bad for the rest of the class though. |
| 20:18 | < Tarinaky> | The problem requires using datastructures we won't be taught until after the deadline. |
| 20:18 | < Tarinaky> | Which is a bit unfair tbh. |
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| 20:34 | < ErikMesoy> | Enforced learning! |
| 20:34 | < ErikMesoy> | Don't feel bad, I have to use data structures I'm not being taught at all. |
| 20:34 | < ErikMesoy> | Because I am skipping class because I have a day job. |
| 20:36 | < Azash> | What data structures are those? |
| 20:36 | | * jerith can't ever remember actually being taught datastructures before using them. |
| 20:41 | < ErikMesoy> | Azash: All of them. |
| 20:51 | < Azash> | Structure ALL the dat-- no, nevermind |
| 20:51 | < Azash> | ErikMesoy: Aren't you a fairly advanced student? |
| 20:52 | < ErikMesoy> | Azash: I am a fairly haphazard student. I have about half a bachelor's degree by total points. I've been scraping a course here and a course there while working full time. |
| 20:52 | < ErikMesoy> | What I'm taking right now could be a first or third year course depending on the program one is in. |
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| 20:53 | < Azash> | Ah, I see |
| 20:53 | < Azash> | Linked lists, b-trees, all that? |
| 20:54 | < EvilDarkLord> | ErikMesoy: Clearly you need to take my course. |
| 20:54 | < Azash> | EvilDarkLord: Were you at TKK? |
| 20:54 | < ErikMesoy> | EvilDarkLord: What is your course? |
| 20:54 | < EvilDarkLord> | ErikMesoy: Design and Analysis of Algorithms. |
| 20:54 | < EvilDarkLord> | Azash: Yes. |
| 20:55 | < Azash> | I would have been spooked if you had been lecturing DAA here in Kumpula |
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| 20:56 | < ErikMesoy> | Azash: I'm studying applications of Python for "realfag" (roughly corresponding to STEM fields). Programming of things like differential equation solvers, polynomial approximations, plotting animated graphs, getting data off the Internet, monte carlo methods. |
| 20:56 | < EvilDarkLord> | I'm not actually the lecturer. Just the head assistant, i.e. the guy who handles all the exercises ever. |
| 20:56 | < ErikMesoy> | Oh, and there will be sound handling. |
| 20:56 | < Azash> | EvilDarkLord: Ah, still, DAA, so respect for that |
| 20:56 | < Azash> | ErikMesoy: Nice |
| 20:57 | < Azash> | I admit you confused me when I tried to parse "realfag" in English |
| 20:57 | < ErikMesoy> | It has three syllables in Norwegian. :p |
| 20:58 | | * gnolam snickers. |
| 20:58 | < ErikMesoy> | Wikipedia links the article on "realfag" to "exact sciences". |
| 20:58 | < ErikMesoy> | http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realfag |
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| 21:01 | < froztbyte> | see, my brain's first parse of it was "Real-fag" as in "derisive reference to someone who likes Real Madrid" |
| 21:01 | < froztbyte> | woo diversity |
| 21:02 | < Azash> | realfriend |
| 21:03 | | * Azash agrees with new security professor to do extensive project, hopes his cred is good enough |
| 21:24 | <@Tamber> | FP "realfag" A: "Someone who spends waaaaaay too much time outside." |
| 21:29 | | * TheWatcher eyes this problem in work, where the UG attendance/grading system is having random, thus-far untracable problems fetching grade data from Moodle for one course, is beginning to wonder if it's a packet loss problem or something. |
| 21:29 | <@TheWatcher> | The irony if it is? The course is "Computer Networks". |
| 21:30 | < gnolam> | Heh. |
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| 22:11 | < froztbyte> | haha |
| 22:11 | < froztbyte> | only for one course? |
| 22:12 | <@TheWatcher> | As far as I have been informed, yes |
| 22:12 | < froztbyte> | heh |
| 22:13 | < froztbyte> | always fun. |
| 22:18 | | * EvilDarkLord finishes a day of :effort: and energy drinks, makes obscure meme. http://oi48.tinypic.com/4u84lx.jpg |
| 22:21 | | * gnolam takes a little break, declares victory over Isaac Newton. |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | THE DEADLIEST SON OF A BITCH IN SPACE |
| 22:27 | < gnolam> | The lift and drag coefficients are entirely made up, but other than that, the how-hard-could-it-be DIY multirotor sim is now completely physics-based. |
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