| --- Log opened Tue Oct 09 00:00:45 2012 |
| 00:02 | < gnolam> | You can - Sobel is nicely parallelizable and works just fine with shaders. |
| 00:02 | < gnolam> | But it's not something you want to use for games. |
| 00:02 | < gnolam> | There are simpler ways of doing outlines. :) |
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| 00:10 | <~Vornicus> | reminds me of something I kind of wanted to do in vornmoo and since i never got around to actually doing vornmoo I never wrote it, but I saw it in supcomm |
| 00:12 | <~Vornicus> | which is to say merging circles |
| 00:19 | < Reiv> | eh? |
| 00:20 | < Namegduf> | Oh wow I just ran into someone who thought that C# and PHP popularised closures. |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | Closures are popular~ |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | ? |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | That's actually a tricky question, though |
| 00:21 | < Namegduf> | They're reasonably regularly used in the languages supporting them. |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | Right |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | What I mean is, like, do Python's equivalents count |
| 00:21 | < Namegduf> | Yes |
| 00:22 | < Namegduf> | JavaScript is the simplest counter example |
| 00:22 | < Namegduf> | They went quiet after I linked the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-class_function#Language_support |
| 00:22 | <&jerith> | Python has proper closures. |
| 00:22 | <~Vornicus> | Reiv: so the original thing I wanted to use it for was sensor ranges: in MoO and by extension VornMoO, each planet you control has a fixed (by current technology level) sensor range. I wanted to see the frontier of that sensor range. |
| 00:23 | <&McMartin> | jerith: Hm. I guess I hesitate because it's imperative and doesn't have writable upvalues. |
| 00:23 | <&jerith> | Writeable upvalues? |
| 00:23 | < Reiv> | Vornicus: This is difficult? |
| 00:24 | <&jerith> | You can close around a mutable object. |
| 00:24 | < Reiv> | Therefore I assume you did not want sensors to simply overlap? |
| 00:24 | <&McMartin> | jerith: yes, but that's cheating~ |
| 00:25 | <~Vornicus> | Reiv: correct. I wanted the circles to merge, because you've seen what happens to readability when they don't. |
| 00:25 | <&jerith> | McMartin: It's consistent with Python's data model. |
| 00:25 | < Reiv> | Vorn: Make them all flat. Provide only the outline of the whole lot. |
| 00:26 | <~Vornicus> | that's what I wanted. It was kind of tricky though. |
| 00:28 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Python 3 (which isn't Python~) has a "nonlocal" keyword for writeable upvalues. |
| 00:29 | <&McMartin> | jerith: My objection is rescinded in full, then~ |
| 00:30 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Except your objection was about *Python*, and is still valid there.~ |
| 00:31 | < Namegduf> | Oh dear. |
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| 00:53 | | * gnolam snickers as he watches his virtual helicopter leave behind its propellers. |
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| 00:54 | < gnolam> | That's right. I was supposed to add constraints in this step. >_> |
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| 00:56 | < gnolam> | At least collision filtering is working. |
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| 03:06 | | * ToxicFrog tries, once again, to figure out why people like vim |
| 03:12 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 03:13 | <&Derakon> | I find command mode to be helpful for transforming large blocks of text; unlike in Emacs I don't have to press four keys for every command I want to perform. |
| 03:31 | < rms> | I found it faster to pick-up |
| 03:32 | < rms> | Sucks when you find yourself using vi instead though. |
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| 03:54 | <~Vornicus> | ...oh, duh, I can do that, let me see here.... |
| 03:54 | | * Vornicus tries enumerating 5x5 slitherlink loops. |
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| 04:17 | <~Vornicus> | well okay I'll start with 3x3 loops |
| 04:39 | | * Vornicus buzzes through 5x5 loops, discovers there's well over a million of them. |
| 04:45 | <~Vornicus> | 2301878 different 5x5 loops. |
| 04:47 | <&Derakon> | So what you're saying is, this may take a little while. |
| 04:47 | <~Vornicus> | (not 'essentially different' though: I haven't accounted for symmetries, which probably knocks that down by a factor of about 6) |
| 04:48 | <~Vornicus> | Well... yes. |
| 04:48 | <&Derakon> | Hell, 400k isn't that much. |
| 04:50 | <~Vornicus> | Well, idunno - the next step I think requires that I not account for symmetries, because it's "how many /actual puzzles/ are there", and that means figuring out the similarity masks between various loops |
| 04:51 | <~Vornicus> | ...and then there's figuring out how much stuff escapes the similarity masks. |
| 04:52 | <~Vornicus> | That I don't know how I'll do but I hope I can escape brute force. |
| 04:55 | <~Vornicus> | Well. Okay I don't think I'll escape brute force, that's worse than 3SAT |
| 04:56 | <~Vornicus> | ...well, okay, it's not really, but |
| 04:58 | <~Vornicus> | I do have to do a lot of powersetting. |
| 05:17 | < Reiv> | What is this for Vorn? |
| 05:26 | <~Vornicus> | I was wondering how many different slitherlink games there are in 5x5. The answer appears to be "a fuckton" |
| 05:36 | < Reiv> | slitherlink? |
| 05:38 | <~Vornicus> | ( www.puzzle-loop.com does slitherlink games) |
| 05:38 | | * Vornicus forgot to hit enter |
| 05:40 | <~Vornicus> | so I figured out a way to list off valid loops (basically it goes "the inside of the loop is black, the outside is white, can I floodfill /every/ black cell with one click"), and now I'm generating the clue set for those. |
| 05:41 | <~Vornicus> | Then I get to, for each pair of loops, intersect the clue sets to find the largest clue set that's insufficient to distinguish between them. |
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| 05:53 | <~Vornicus> | (I believe but am uncertain that no loops have exact twins) |
| 05:58 | | * Vornicus gets one direction of the clue set generator working. |
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| 06:07 | <~Vornicus> | ...ooops, I did miss a spot. the other bit is that all the 0s have to floodfill to the edge... |
| 06:10 | <~Vornicus> | in 3x3 there's only 5 (of 219) that do that but pass the black floodfill test. For 5x5 there's probably a whole lot more |
| 06:10 | <~Vornicus> | (because there are a whole lot more cells that don't already touch the edge) |
| 06:13 | | * Vornicus fiddles with it, figures sending it through the floodfill checker again after some rejiggering would work! |
| 06:31 | <~Vornicus> | good. Okay. |
| 06:32 | | * Vornicus now puts that bit to work on 5x5 to see the true number of things. |
| 06:36 | <~Vornicus> | ...man, that's a lot fewer than last time. After going through about 10 million i'm at 430k as opposed to 722k |
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| 06:46 | <~Vornicus> | 1,222,364. Whole lot smaller. |
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| 07:07 | | * Vornicus ...eyes the schlock mercenary forums. LEARN2ARMYOFROBOTS, GUYS |
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| 07:24 | < Reiv> | Vorn: Eh wot? |
| 07:30 | | * TheWatcher eyes this student |
| 07:32 | <@TheWatcher> | Looks like I'm going to be spending half my morning writing an explanation of computer operation to answer one question from this guy. |
| 07:33 | <@TheWatcher> | On the one hand, yey for students asking decent questions. On the other, shit, I have entirely too much to do for that ;.; |
| 07:33 | <&jerith> | :-/ |
| 08:07 | <~Vornicus> | Reiver: so there's an effort listed on the zoo that they're trying to update the transcriptions for Schlock Mercenary |
| 08:07 | <~Vornicus> | A noble effort indeed, but the first step in this is copying out all the /existing/ transcriptions. |
| 08:08 | <~Vornicus> | To do this they're handing out years to people and asking them to copy them into notepad files |
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| 08:09 | <~Vornicus> | About five minutes ago I launched my script. I will have /every/ transcript downloaded into text files within the hour. |
| 08:10 | <@TheWatcher> | "And then, Mr Bond, nothing you can do will stop me!" |
| 08:10 | <@TheWatcher> | >.> |
| 08:10 | <@TheWatcher> | I may need more tea... |
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| 08:11 | <~Vornicus> | Then they're talking about the technical side and we have "the easiest way would be to write them in notepad and email them to Howard". |
| 08:11 | <~Vornicus> | Guys. |
| 08:11 | <~Vornicus> | Just no, guys. |
| 08:12 | <&McMartin> | GO FORTH, MY ARMY OF ROBOTS. |
| 08:16 | <~Vornicus> | ...find kitten? |
| 08:18 | < Reiver> | Vornicus: Hahaha, awesome. |
| 08:18 | < Reiver> | Why do they need to copy the existing stuff? Is this not Howard Sanctioned, or? |
| 08:19 | <~Vornicus> | I suspect part of this is "we need to know where the holes are" |
| 08:19 | < Reiver> | Stride Forth And Conquer For The Old Guard, etc |
| 08:19 | <~Vornicus> | There's also "proofread" |
| 08:19 | < Reiver> | Remember Chalain Hill!~ |
| 08:20 | <~Vornicus> | Heh |
| 08:20 | | * Vornicus derps, forgot to advance the date in situations where the date has no transcripts. |
| 08:21 | <~Vornicus> | anyway, that fired off again... |
| 08:29 | | * Vornicus wanders around picking out some technology so that once it's done the rest is easy. |
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| 09:24 | <~Vornicus> | glad I supervised this. It didn't occur to me that the html parsing might fail on some of these. |
| 09:50 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 10:13 | <~Vornicus> | down to the last 6 months. |
| 10:43 | | * Vornicus pokes his git tools. work, damn your eyes |
| 10:51 | <~Vornicus> | okay, how do I get the stuff up there. it's complaining about fast-forward or something |
| 10:51 | <&McMartin> | pull first, there are upstream changes you need to merge |
| 10:53 | <~Vornicus> | I thought I'd done that, but apparently not. |
| 10:54 | <~Vornicus> | okay, that's fixed |
| 10:55 | <~Vornicus> | ...oh, gotta add extensions to 3000 files now. bah! |
| 10:56 | <&jerith> | Vornicus: "for ff in *; do mv $ff $ff.ext; done" |
| 10:56 | <@TheWatcher> | for i in *; do .... that |
| 10:56 | <~Vornicus> | let's assume I don't have a bash shell |
| 10:57 | <~Vornicus> | Also that the files are two directories deep. |
| 10:57 | <&jerith> | Vornicus: "bash -c 'for ff in *; do mv $ff $ff.ext; done'" :-P |
| 10:58 | <&jerith> | And then you use `find . -name 'someglob'` instead of *. |
| 10:58 | <&jerith> | But I've stopped being helpful. |
| 10:58 | <&jerith> | Is this on Windows? |
| 10:58 | <~Vornicus> | Or I could just rejigger the python script and have it do it. |
| 10:58 | <&jerith> | You could do that. |
| 10:58 | <&jerith> | os.rename() |
| 10:59 | <&jerith> | Also os.listdir() |
| 10:59 | <~Vornicus> | already looking up the thingy. |
| 11:00 | <~Vornicus> | signature. thingy. |
| 11:00 | <~Vornicus> | all done. |
| 11:05 | <~Vornicus> | ...okay um that didn't work nearly as planned. |
| 11:07 | <~Vornicus> | ...because the wiki doesn't do subpages, fucking thing |
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| 11:18 | <~Vornicus> | well that worked, eventually. |
| 11:23 | <~Vornicus> | right I should have been in bed three hours ago but someone was NOT SUFFICIENTLY USING HIS ROBOT ARMY on the internet. |
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| 12:48 | < rms> | `man rename` tool for mass renaming of extensions... |
| 12:48 | <@Tamber> | Well, that's handy. |
| 12:49 | < rms> | Yup |
| 12:54 | <&McMartin> | http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/560954765831906810/FEBE477909CC6E560CF823352A9 568F74A798B5B/ |
| 12:54 | <&McMartin> | DELICIOUS SCIENCE |
| 12:54 | | * McMartin takes a nap before heading to work later this morning |
| 13:09 | < gnolam> | McMartin: ... |
| 13:25 | | * gnolam stabs Doxygen in the brain. |
| 13:25 | < AnnoDomini> | It has a brain? |
| 13:26 | < gnolam> | Goddammit people. |
| 13:26 | <@TheWatcher> | ? |
| 13:26 | < gnolam> | Just adding bare doxygen class overviews does not make your API documented. |
| 13:26 | <@TheWatcher> | ... no, no it does not |
| 13:28 | < gnolam> | Yet /every single example of public doxygen use I have seen/ seems to believe this. |
| 13:29 | < Moltare> | But it has "gen" in the title! |
| 13:29 | < Moltare> | That means you just push a button and it does it all for you |
| 13:37 | < gnolam> | Since a couple of years back, there is also the "but we have a wiki" excuse for no documentation. |
| 13:38 | < gnolam> | After all - if you put up a wiki, useful and correct information magically appears, right? |
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| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | gnolam: that or anyone complaining about the lack of information can be told "well, why don't you go and add it to the wiki?" |
| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | s/information/documentation/ |
| 14:00 | <@TheWatcher> | shouldn't get those confused, really, asn one does not imply the other... |
| 14:06 | < gnolam> | ... oh, and a library rename for a minor version. Thanks for that. |
| 14:12 | < gnolam> | Together with general borkage, it seems. |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | huzzah |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | (which library is this?) |
| 14:14 | < gnolam> | Bullet Physics. |
| 14:17 | | * TheWatcher goes to look at it, out of curiosity, ...s |
| 14:21 | <@TheWatcher> | That is some spectacularly shit documentation :/ |
| 14:28 | < gnolam> | Good. It's not just me then. :P |
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| 18:48 | < iospace> | froztbyte: aborted for today |
| 18:48 | < froztbyte> | yeah I saw |
| 18:48 | < froztbyte> | teh grumpies, I am |
| 18:49 | < iospace> | :< |
| 18:50 | < froztbyte> | troll wind is troll |
| 18:50 | < iospace> | i'm sure you're not as pissed as Felix |
| 18:51 | < froztbyte> | no, sure |
| 18:51 | < froztbyte> | though I'm wondering which side he's on |
| 18:51 | < froztbyte> | (pissed or doubtful) |
| 18:53 | < iospace> | it may be a few days before they can do it again |
| 18:53 | < iospace> | i'm glad they're being safe though |
| 19:04 | <~Vornicus> | There. That's that part fixed. |
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| 23:25 | <~Vornicus> | oh fun, markdown's written in perl |
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