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| 17:22 | < Derakon_> | I'm getting really tired of getting a kernel panic every time I slip up performing some OpenGL operation. |
| 17:24 | < Derakon_> | Google just keeps turning up hackintosh forums. |
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| 17:28 | < Derakon_> | And Apple wants to charge me over a hundred bucks just to %Btalk%B to them. |
| 17:29 | < Derakon_> | Er, talk. |
| 17:31 | < AnnoDomini> | This is Apple you're talking about. |
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| 18:25 | | * Derakon_ tries to run MUI on a Windows computer instead to avoid the kernel panics, discovers that it doesn't like him calling glGenFramebuffers. WTF. |
| 18:25 | < Derakon_> | "Attempt to call an undefined alternate function (glGenFramebuffers, glGenFramebuffersEXT), check for bool(glGenFramebuffers) before calling" |
| 18:26 | < Derakon_> | Google turns up just someone's pastebin. |
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| 19:05 | | * gnolam checks some of his old code. |
| 19:05 | < Derakon_> | Oh hey, Gnolam, you're an OpenGL veteran. |
| 19:05 | < gnolam> | Seems I'm using gl*FramebufferEXT in it as well. |
| 19:05 | < Derakon_> | Any idea why this would spew that aforementioned error? http://pastebin.com/YnA4hn0y |
| 19:05 | < Derakon_> | The weird thing is that it works fine on OSX. |
| 19:06 | < Derakon_> | And it's derived (albeit heavily altered) from code I had working on a different Windows machine...but I wouldn't think that framebuffers would be an optional part of the install. |
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| 20:04 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm trying to print the character ? (C with ^) in Python. Autohelp gave me a "coding:" line, but the character is nonetheless getting output as ?^ instead. What should I do? |
| 20:04 | < Derakon_> | You want a 'c' with a circonflex above it? |
| 20:04 | < ErikMesoy> | Yes. |
| 20:05 | < RichyB> | print u"?".encode("utf-8") |
| 20:05 | < Derakon_> | That won't have the accent, Richy. |
| 20:05 | < RichyB> | Look more closely. |
| 20:05 | < ErikMesoy> | RichyB: /that/ came out as ?OE |
| 20:06 | < ErikMesoy> | (A with diaresis, OE diphthong) |
| 20:06 | < RichyB> | Are you on Windows? Sounds like your terminal is using some gash character encoding that isn't utf-8. |
| 20:07 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm using IDLE on Windows and added "# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-" to start of file at IDLE's suggestion. |
| 20:09 | <&jerith> | That sets the Python encoding, not the terminal encoding. |
| 20:09 | | * ErikMesoy has attempted r"?" and variants thereof too. |
| 20:10 | <&jerith> | I'd look up the codepoint and use u'\uxxxx' |
| 20:10 | < RichyB> | "# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-" sets the encoding that the Python interpreter will parse your source code in. Without that, you'd get bad results (SyntaxError under some Python versions, wrong behaviour in others) when you tried to start your program. |
| 20:10 | <&jerith> | You don't want want r'' here. That's for turning off escaping, and is pretty much only useful for writing regexen. |
| 20:10 | < RichyB> | Your problem here is that your *terminal* is using some other character encoding. |
| 20:11 | <&jerith> | I'd suggest setting LC_ALL, but Windows. :-/ |
| 20:11 | < RichyB> | If you want to make sure that it's definitely not the Python file being misinterpreted, you can encode that string as, uh, u"\u0108" |
| 20:11 | <&jerith> | Windows *really* likes its strange and random charsets. |
| 20:12 | < RichyB> | I'm not sure if you even *can* print \u0108? It's outside of cp1252 and latin-1. |
| 20:12 | < RichyB> | Maybe if your terminal is using one of the other latin charsets. |
| 20:12 | < ErikMesoy> | print u"\u0108" #this worked |
| 20:12 | < ErikMesoy> | Thanks |
| 20:13 | < AnnoDomini> | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/09/computer-crime-then-and-now.html |
| 20:13 | < RichyB> | Okay, apparently it gets exposed. import sys; print sys.stdout.encoding; # should print "cp437" or "cp1252" or something. |
| 20:14 | < RichyB> | I wonder if there's an escape code that'll cause the terminal in Windows to switch encoding? |
| 20:15 | < ErikMesoy> | cp1252 |
| 20:15 | < RichyB> | Other than that, you might have to just use a different terminal in order to get proper (full) unicode support. |
| 20:15 | < RichyB> | I think that there are terminals for Windows that can grok utf-8 properly, based on PuTTY and/or xterm. |
| 20:17 | < RichyB> | Stackoverflow recommends PuttyCyg and Console. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/701895/best-terminal-environment-for-cygwin-w indows -> http://code.google.com/p/puttycyg/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/ |
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| 20:39 | < ErikMesoy> | Now that I've got coding:utf-8 and u"\u0108" in my program, how portable should I expect this to be if I send it to someone else? |
| 20:40 | <&jerith> | If you don't have any literal UTF-8, you don't need the coding line. |
| 20:40 | <&jerith> | And they'll need to run it in a terminal using an appropriate characterset. |
| 20:43 | < ErikMesoy> | I see. |
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| 21:47 | < simon_> | (Haskell) I'm doing 'if Map.lookup x m == Just True then Just Foo else Nothing' but figure I can shorten this using some operators. I thought about 'Map.lookup x m >> Just Foo', but this does not regard Just True, only Nothing. |
| 21:50 | < simon_> | hmm, mfilter. |
| 21:51 | < gnolam> | Derakon: belatedly, no. |
| 21:52 | < gnolam> | I know I had Buffer VS BufferEXT problems, and found out why I had to use EXT... but I apparently never wrote it down in the comments. |
| 21:53 | < simon_> | I like how you can hoogle for (a -> Bool) -> Maybe a -> Maybe a, and you get mfilter :: MonadPlus m => (a -> Bool) -> m a -> m a. |
| 21:54 | < gnolam> | (The usual problem of what was supposed to be a one-off support class instead getting used year in and year out :P) |
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| 23:31 | < gnolam> | http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/2012/09/moms-computer/ |
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