| --- Log opened Thu Jun 28 00:00:48 2012 |
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| 00:28 | < celticminstrel> | Apparently with a template class specialization you can declare the member functions in a header and define them in a source file. I guess that makes sense. |
| 00:28 | <&McMartin> | That interaction has only been properly implemented in the past six or seven years. |
| 00:28 | < celticminstrel> | Meaning lots of compilers don't support it? |
| 00:29 | < celticminstrel> | Or didn't until recently? |
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| 00:29 | <&McMartin> | The latter, except for cases where it was not only supported but actually mandatory |
| 00:29 | <&McMartin> | Basically, until linkers became C++ template aware you had to instantiate every template in every file. |
| 00:29 | < celticminstrel> | Mandatory meaning they wouldn't allow you to define the member function inline? |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | No, they'd *require* it |
| 00:30 | < celticminstrel> | Okay. |
| 00:30 | < celticminstrel> | Whatever; it works this way, and I don't care much about compiler portability here. |
| 00:32 | <&McMartin> | "use a compiler that supports the standard, dammit" is totally reasonable |
| 00:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Hrm. I guess I can add that to my todo list |
| 00:38 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 00:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Learning about putting templates in source rather than header files |
| 00:39 | < celticminstrel> | It's probably still not possible when you intend to allow them to be instantiated with any arguments. |
| 00:39 | < celticminstrel> | I was talking about a template specialization, so the arguments were already fixed. |
| 00:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And do inlines still work? I wouldn't be surprised if clang has an advantage here, with the link-time optimization |
| 00:50 | <~Vornicus> | good lord. |
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| 00:52 | <~Vornicus> | this code is growing legs. |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | Mmm? |
| 00:52 | <~Vornicus> | WEll, right now I'm writing the code that chooses the current velocity. |
| 00:53 | <&McMartin> | Remember that gravity and friction exist as constants |
| 00:55 | <~Vornicus> | RIght, except that this isn't a physics |
| 00:55 | <~Vornicus> | You have a constant speed when you're pressing the dpad, and a different constant speed when you're not. |
| 00:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Weee. rgba, xyzw, uvw, stpq, strq |
| 00:59 | < celticminstrel> | Inlines work, yes. |
| 01:00 | < celticminstrel> | I just switched from an inline definition in the template specialization to a non-inline one in a separate source file. |
| 01:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | looks like stpq is allowed in glsl. Defacto replacement for uvw then |
| 01:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Interesting that they've got half the alphabet used in different naming schemes |
| 01:05 | <~Vornicus> | But it has to check: what speed I have along the path, what path I'm on, and where on the path I am. |
| 01:11 | | * Vornicus tries to figure out how to /tell/ what path you're on. |
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| 01:22 | | * McMartin grumbles at this code, which keeps subtly tying itself into knots |
| 01:25 | | * Vornicus tries to get an object to tell him its list of variables. |
| 01:27 | < celticminstrel> | What language? |
| 01:27 | <~Vornicus> | game maker |
| 01:27 | <~Vornicus> | Found it |
| 01:27 | | * McMartin manages to draw his Intermediate AI while waiting for a compiler |
| 01:28 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, dunno then. |
| 01:28 | <~Vornicus> | Sort of. |
| 01:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So apparently cube map textures are as simple as supplying a direction vector. Opengl then chops it into one of the 6 faces |
| 01:29 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and if I generate a sphere from an origin point then I already have exactly that |
| 01:30 | <~Vornicus> | okay now i really found it. |
| 01:38 | <~Vornicus> | Where it gives an index for the paths but I don't know how to find the ID of a particular path |
| 01:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | .. huh. Maybe the vertices are dirt-simple too. Lay them out as a cube, then normalize their distance to the origin.. |
| 01:46 | <~Vornicus> | WARNING: this will give you large size distortion between the corners and the faces |
| 01:46 | <~Vornicus> | (using a cube map at all does this) |
| 01:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yup, but this is only for rendering |
| 01:48 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The game map will be geodesic, then translated into a cubemap heightmap using procedural generation, and then stashed in a virtual texture |
| 01:48 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (technically the virtual texture will drive the translation) |
| 01:49 | | * Vornicus wanders around the thing trying to figure out how to find the index of a named path |
| 01:50 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Which let's me have the minimal distortion where I need it and dirt simple rendering where I don't |
| 02:16 | | * Vornicus befuddles at it. |
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| 03:15 | <~Vornicus> | Nope. Not finding what I want. |
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| 03:29 | | * McMartin will poke at it in a bit. |
| 03:33 | <~Vornicus> | This, or getting the name of a path from the index, would give me the ability to choose actions based on what path I'm on without having to go through combinatoric shit to figure that out. |
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| 03:36 | < celticminstrel> | Hm. Need to get the entity that's "nearest" another entity. It sounds simple, but... there are options... |
| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | when you say "nearest", in what space? |
| 03:36 | < celticminstrel> | "in what space"? |
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| 03:37 | <~Vornicus> | Do you have these entities on a line, or plane, or...? |
| 03:37 | < celticminstrel> | On a plane. |
| 03:37 | < celticminstrel> | With discrete coordinates. |
| 03:37 | <~Vornicus> | okay, and are you doing euclidean distance, manhattan distance, broadway? |
| 03:37 | <&McMartin> | Vorn: Each object has a field named "path_index" that is the path it is currently following. |
| 03:38 | < celticminstrel> | Well, that's what I meant by "options". |
| 03:38 | <~Vornicus> | RIght, that much I got |
| 03:38 | < celticminstrel> | I'm not sure. |
| 03:38 | <~Vornicus> | But the problem is that the paths I am aware of have names and I do not see a way to get their index. |
| 03:38 | <~Vornicus> | Like I start my gondola on a path named "garage" and path_index is 18 |
| 03:38 | < celticminstrel> | Manhattan distance is x+y, right? |
| 03:39 | <&McMartin> | "garage" should be an alias for the number 18. |
| 03:39 | <~Vornicus> | Yes but |
| 03:39 | < celticminstrel> | What's broadway? |
| 03:40 | <~Vornicus> | I need to know what path things are on, to determine what branch of code I should be on when I decide how the gondola is going to move. |
| 03:40 | <~Vornicus> | Broadway: max(x, y) + min(x, y) * k, where k is some value in [0, 1) |
| 03:41 | <&McMartin> | Vorn: Something about your design deeply confuses me and I'm not sure what it is. |
| 03:41 | <~Vornicus> | Basically you have diagonal lines between cells that you can take |
| 03:41 | <&McMartin> | Can you post a screencap of the room, maybe? |
| 03:41 | <&McMartin> | I get the feeling I'm missing something *extremely* basic. |
| 03:42 | < celticminstrel> | How is max(x,y) + min(x,y) different from x+y... |
| 03:42 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, never mind. |
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| 03:42 | <~Vornicus> | It's not, but order of operations says you multiply by k before adding~ |
| 03:42 | < celticminstrel> | *k changes it. |
| 03:42 | <~Vornicus> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRE1LKwD8zY <--- Let's Play Ducks Ahoy |
| 03:44 | <~Vornicus> | The gondola moves along canals. You control which direction it moves; if you're in a north-south canal, up and down work normally, and left and right will (for most places) direct you north or south depending on which way gets you to a canal first. |
| 03:44 | <~Vornicus> | Let's Play Ducks Ahoy... in German, apparently |
| 03:46 | < celticminstrel> | Why can't I find anything about this on Google or Wikipedia... |
| 03:46 | <~Vornicus> | My paths are simple components of the canals. |
| 03:46 | <&McMartin> | Hmm. It is not obvious to me that paths are the way to go here. |
| 03:47 | <&McMartin> | Since at any given point Up/Down/Left/Right all work. |
| 03:47 | <~Vornicus> | In order to determine the gondola's behavior I need to know what path it's on -- but the data I get from asking the gondola is the index number... but I do not have a way of correlating index number with the name of the path. |
| 03:47 | <&McMartin> | ... what are you imagining the logic to be here? |
| 03:47 | <&McMartin> | Like, do you later on switch on this, or... |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | There's path_get_name(), but that gets you a string - I don't see that being useful for anything but debugging |
| 03:48 | <~Vornicus> | Logic goes like this: "Okay, person pressed... down. This is canal Tower Right, the east-west canal that goes under the teal bridge, and that means I'm closer to C street. Set velocity to +2." |
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| 03:49 | <~Vornicus> | It is useful, because now I can check that name against the list of named paths I created. |
| 03:49 | <~Vornicus> | WHich I don't have index numbers for. |
| 03:49 | <&McMartin> | But |
| 03:49 | <~Vornicus> | But? |
| 03:49 | <&McMartin> | OK, maybe the basic thing I'm missing is that you aren't making these in the path editor as path resources? |
| 03:49 | <~Vornicus> | I am making them in the path editor as path resources. |
| 03:50 | <~Vornicus> | I do not have their index numbers. |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | You don't have to |
| 03:50 | <~Vornicus> | I do have to. |
| 03:50 | <~Vornicus> | I need to know what canal I'm in. |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | If you're on Tower Right, then towerRight == path_index when you're on towerRight, as I read this. |
| 03:50 | <~Vornicus> | ...really. |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | The name of the path in the path editor is a global constant, if paths work anything at all like sprites, objects, backgrounds, and rooms. |
| 03:51 | <~Vornicus> | See this, I had no idea about. |
| 03:51 | < celticminstrel> | So, um... what's the point of broadway distance? |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | Hm |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | So, what part of |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | 19:38 <&McMartin> "garage" should be an alias for the number 18. |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | was unclear there? |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | Because I thought that's what I was saying there. |
| 03:51 | <~Vornicus> | I thought you meant the string literal "garage" |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | Oh. |
| 03:51 | <~Vornicus> | Which made absolutely no sense whatsoever |
| 03:52 | <&McMartin> | OK, no. I meant the token. |
| 03:52 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: broadway distance with a k of 0 is distance as a chess king moves. |
| 03:52 | <~Vornicus> | with a k of 0.5 it's distance in D&D 3e |
| 03:53 | <~Vornicus> | with a k of 1 it's equivalent to manhattan distance. |
| 03:53 | < celticminstrel> | I'm not sure what distance in D&D 3e is. |
| 03:54 | < celticminstrel> | Chess king distance... that'd be "the number of tiles you have to pass through to end up at this one if you can move in eight cardinal directions"? |
| 03:54 | <~Vornicus> | generally, when you move diagonally in 3e D&D, the first step that way costs 1, the second costs 2, the third costs 1 again |
| 03:54 | <~Vornicus> | Yes. |
| 03:55 | <~Vornicus> | So with a k of 0.5 and rounding down, you get the distance in steps that walking to that square takes. |
| 03:55 | < celticminstrel> | Things only move in four cardinal directions. |
| 03:55 | < celticminstrel> | Maybe manhattan is best. |
| 03:55 | <~Vornicus> | okay, you'll want manhattan distance. |
| 03:55 | < celticminstrel> | Alright. |
| 03:55 | | * Vornicus fiddles with game maker again, tries it out. |
| 03:56 | <&McMartin> | Note also that because these are global constants it's usually a good idea to prepend resource identifiers with their type |
| 03:56 | <~Vornicus> | I see that now. |
| 04:03 | <~Vornicus> | Damn, my kingdom for a switch statement. |
| 04:03 | <~Vornicus> | or "in" |
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| 04:05 | < celticminstrel> | I just defined a commutative operator-... |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | "in" is "with", more or less. |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | But there are some wackinesses |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | GML is a little vague about whether references to an object are to an object or to Every Object Of That Class |
| 04:06 | <~Vornicus> | oh look, there's a switch. |
| 04:07 | <~Vornicus> | "with" is not at all what I want, I want if k in giant_freaking_list |
| 04:07 | < celticminstrel> | Occasionally I contemplate putting each class in its own file, but that would probably double or triple the number of files, and most of the new ones would be only ten or twenty lines... |
| 04:19 | <&McMartin> | Vorn: I think that "in" might be only in Pro |
| 04:20 | <&McMartin> | There is some clunky support for pre-rolled data structures |
| 04:23 | <~Vornicus> | I see the data structures |
| 04:24 | < celticminstrel> | Um... && has higher precedence than ||? |
| 04:24 | <~Vornicus> | I can't find a straight up function reference. |
| 04:24 | < celticminstrel> | Or is it the other way around? |
| 04:24 | <~Vornicus> | && is multiplication, || is addition |
| 04:24 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, good point. |
| 04:24 | < celticminstrel> | Forgot that. |
| 04:24 | <&McMartin> | In Contents under Help, under "GML Reference" |
| 04:24 | <&McMartin> | Grouped by topic |
| 04:24 | < celticminstrel> | So, I should have parentheses here. |
| 04:25 | <~Vornicus> | Right, I see no list of functions for array handling |
| 04:25 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, because arrays don't get them, only ds_vectors. |
| 04:25 | <&McMartin> | Or whatever the name is |
| 04:25 | <~Vornicus> | oh I see |
| 04:27 | <&McMartin> | (Hex Inverter uses ds_grids for the board.) |
| 04:28 | <~Vornicus> | Okay I think I can live with this. |
| 04:32 | <~Vornicus> | ack. okay apparently jedit and game maker's "edit script in external editor" thing don't work together. |
| 04:32 | <&McMartin> | Huh |
| 04:32 | <~Vornicus> | jedit.exe closes and returns immediately |
| 04:33 | <~Vornicus> | So jedit itself is open and looking at the temp file that gm creates, but gm sees that jedit.exe has closed, takes focus, and deletes the temp file. |
| 04:34 | <~Vornicus> | then jedit goes "oops, that was deleted underneath me", and gm will never look at that temp file again. |
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| 04:53 | <&Derakon> | Dude. http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/burnship/ |
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| 05:00 | <&McMartin> | Dude indeed |
| 05:06 | <~Vornicus> | Man I have crazy stupid feature requests |
| 05:06 | <~Vornicus> | Scalable GUI throughout Gamemaker, everything feels too small. |
| 05:57 | | * Vornicus works on the end path code, which is absolutely insane. |
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| 05:59 | <~Vornicus> | Well, no, really it's just a shitton of data |
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| 06:16 | | * Vornicus fiddles with the data slightly. |
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| 06:49 | | * Vornicus is pretty sure he's going to have to do a few more tricks with that later when he has the boat actually stopping, but so far. |
| 07:06 | <~Vornicus> | derp. okay, checking keydown state in the midst of an even,t using code. Ah. keyboard_check |
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| 07:17 | | * Vornicus befuddles now as the code editor says there's a syntax editor and he sees nothing wrong. |
| 07:19 | <~Vornicus> | er, syntax error |
| 07:20 | <~Vornicus> | oh, that's not actually a method, or something, wtf? |
| 07:21 | <~Vornicus> | how the nosehairs does it know what I'm telling it to do that to if it's not a method. |
| 07:21 | <@TheWatcher> | It just nose. |
| 07:24 | <~Vornicus> | full context: I'm trying to use a function in game maker called path_start; it is supposed to tell an object that it should now follow a particular path... but it doesn't take an object reference, and it isn't a method. |
| 07:25 | <~Vornicus> | right, enough, sleeptimes. |
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| 09:04 | <&McMartin> | "This" is implicit either in the with statement that encloses it or implicit in the object that is running the script. |
| 09:04 | <&McMartin> | There is also "other" |
| 09:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Woo. Just took the wrong pill. :P |
| 09:13 | < gnolam> | You're going to wake up in the morning and believe whatever you want to believe? |
| 09:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Naw, boring side effects like a headache |
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| 11:36 | <@TheWatcher> | Signs you probably haven't had enough sleep to be trying to code: it takes three attempts to hit the ';' key |
| 11:49 | < gnolam> | So that's the reason Python doesn't use semicolons or braces but does use semantic whitespace: the spacebar is /really/ easy to hit. |
| 11:49 | <@TheWatcher> | "Python: the language for people running 20 hours of sleep debt"? |
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| 13:24 | < gnolam> | http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120783/nixie-tube-chess-set-hack |
| 13:32 | | * TheWatcher hates all over php, especially it's not-actually perl-compatible regular expression functions |
| 13:33 | | * TheWatcher has that ' shot |
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| 15:06 | <~Vornicus> | ...nope. THis code will be hundreds of lines long if I do it piece by piece. |
| 15:06 | < iospace> | :P |
| 15:10 | | * Vornicus tries to figure out what parts of the data he cares about. |
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| 19:00 | | * iospace hmms... decides a second fan is inorder for her board |
| 19:07 | < froztbyte> | TheWatcher[afk]: it's funny that you expected otherwise |
| 19:14 | <&jerith> | TheWatcher[afk]: There are at least three different regex engines in PHP. |
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| 19:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | float low = min(min(f_tridistance.x, f_tridistance.y), f_tridistance.z); |
| 19:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | float high = min(min(f_tridistance.x, f_tridistance.y), f_tridistance.z); |
| 19:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | float weight = smoothstep(0.005, 0.025, high); |
| 19:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | |
| 19:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | colour = mix(line_colour, vec4(f_colour, 1), weight); |
| 19:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | swapping low for high gives the same result o.O |
| 19:44 | <@rms> | Because they're the same value? |
| 19:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | .. fuck :) |
| 19:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | s/min/max/ |
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| 20:10 | < RichyB> | Fun thing. On Linux, if I dd if=/dev/sdb or of=/dev/sdb to take or lay down a disk image, the bytes that it reads|writes will push everything else out of my filesystem cache and make my laptop slow as it has to keep swapping programs back in. |
| 20:10 | < RichyB> | Setting iflag=direct or oflag=direct stops the blocks from going through the cache machinery, so everything else on the laptop stays responsive. |
| 20:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yay, I have a beach ball! |
| 20:26 | <@TheWatcher[afk]> | froztbyte: 'expect', no. 'complain bitterly about', yes. |
| 20:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Well, it's not actually a beach ball pattern, but it is a multicoloured sphere |
| 20:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Composed of 49152 triangles, heh |
| 20:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hehe, if I go inside it looks square :) |
| 20:30 | < RichyB> | Rhamphoryncus, hah! "Yay, I have a beach ball!" to me sounds like a Mac user loudly and sarcastically complaining about performance. ;) |
| 20:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh |
| 20:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I don't know what that means but it sounds funny ;) |
| 20:30 | < RichyB> | OS X has a spinning multicoloured beach ball cursor as its alternative to Windows' hourglass timer. |
| 20:31 | <&McMartin> | The hourglass icon on OS X is colloquially known as "the beachball of doom" |
| 20:31 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ooooh |
| 20:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I understand why a sphere looks like a cube, but it still feels weird heh |
| 20:34 | < froztbyte> | TheWatcher[afk]: fair enough |
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