| --- Log opened Sun Jun 24 00:00:49 2012 |
| 00:02 | < Tarinaky> | I swear Eclipse is designed to make it as difficult as possible to install plugins. |
| 00:08 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 00:08 | < celticminstrel> | Eclipse is a bit like emacs in the sense of providing lots of power with a mediocre interface. |
| 00:11 | <@rms> | Eclipse is Eight Gigabyes and Constantly Swapping? |
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| 00:21 | < celticminstrel> | Okay, thinking of how to do Java-like stuff with enums in such a way that adding a new enumerator will cause an error if I forget to add the associated data... |
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| 00:38 | < celticminstrel> | Argh suddenly it's generating warnings for Boost code... seemingly for Boost code that isn't even enabled by the preprocessor... |
| 00:41 | < celticminstrel> | And why do I have to explicitly tell it to search in /Library/Frameworks and /usr/local/{include,lib}? |
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| 02:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because those aren't part of the default search path? |
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| 03:23 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 03:23 | | * McMartin writes up his NES macro file, notices after the fact that this has been 8.3'd to "Bromines" |
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| 03:34 | < celticminstrel> | But um, normally they are...? |
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| 04:57 | < celticminstrel> | I was wondering why it was taking so long to compile one file. I had an array with 256 elements using C99 initializers, but didn't specify the size in the declaration, so I just put that in and boom. Suddenly it compiles quickly. |
| 05:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh |
| 05:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | sounds like a compiler bug |
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| 05:47 | | * McMartin runs afoul of hardware quirks on the NES, faithfully put into emulators as an assert() |
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| 06:42 | < celticminstrel> | It takes about five seconds after pressing page up/down to display the next page of my help... that doesn't seem good... |
| 06:43 | < celticminstrel> | I wonder whether the time is more in the parsing or the rendering... |
| 06:58 | < celticminstrel> | If it's in the parsing I could probably pre-parse it into some kind of intermediate format... |
| 07:01 | <~Vornicus> | Only one way to know. |
| 07:01 | <~Vornicus> | Profile, profile, profile. |
| 07:04 | < celticminstrel> | Yeah. :/ |
| 07:04 | <~Vornicus> | At the very least you can send a render event saying "parsing" and another saying "rendering" while it does the work. |
| 07:05 | <~Vornicus> | What format is your help page in? |
| 07:06 | < celticminstrel> | Plain text with embedded formatting codes. |
| 07:06 | <~Vornicus> | So we're looking at, basically, IRC-shaped text? |
| 07:07 | < celticminstrel> | Um... I guess that's a reasonably accurate description. |
| 07:07 | <~Vornicus> | That shouldn't be too hard to parse and render, obviously; how are you doing the rendering? Is your chosen font monospace or proportional? |
| 07:07 | < celticminstrel> | Proportional (Arial). |
| 07:08 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, I presume you're using a prerolled renderer. |
| 07:08 | < celticminstrel> | What do you mean? |
| 07:09 | <~Vornicus> | Like, you have a library that all it does is draw (probably individual) lines of text. |
| 07:09 | < celticminstrel> | Ah, yes. |
| 07:09 | < celticminstrel> | Well, I have a library that does it, yes. |
| 07:10 | <~Vornicus> | All right. How are you deciding where to wrap lines? |
| 07:10 | < celticminstrel> | I have a function that I wrote which does this. |
| 07:11 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, what's the function do to do this? |
| 07:12 | <~Vornicus> | Does it trial render (bad) or are you adding up glyph strides from the font? |
| 07:12 | < celticminstrel> | It starts searching for spaces from the start of the string and composes the line one word at a time. Um. It might be trial rendering? |
| 07:13 | < celticminstrel> | The library didn't provide a function to measure a string. |
| 07:13 | <~Vornicus> | Oh I see. |
| 07:13 | < celticminstrel> | Adding glyph strides is something I can do within the library... |
| 07:14 | <~Vornicus> | Might work better - fewer render steps that way. |
| 07:20 | < celticminstrel> | My debug output insists that measuring the text takes 0ms for nearly any string... |
| 07:20 | < celticminstrel> | Can that be right? |
| 07:21 | <~Vornicus> | This is using the render-measure, or glyph strides? |
| 07:21 | < celticminstrel> | I haven't changed it yet. |
| 07:21 | < celticminstrel> | I'm not actually sure whether it's rendering. |
| 07:24 | < celticminstrel> | Text wrapping however has really variable times even though the measuring still says 0 each time. |
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| 16:03 | < celticminstrel> | I wonder if there's anything I can do to improve my text wrapping other than the measuring part... |
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| 16:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | The Clojure repl could use some improvement :/ |
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| 16:56 | < froztbyte> | http://dank.qemfd.net/tabpower/gradexam.pdf |
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| 18:22 | < Noah> | ''.join([num for num in str(datetime.datetime.now())[:-3] if num.isdigit()]) |
| 18:22 | < Noah> | Should give me a sufficient timestamp to use as an id, yar? |
| 18:24 | < Noah> | I could probably drop the first 2 as well, since that would give me 15 digits |
| 18:25 | < froztbyte> | why a timestamp as ID? |
| 18:26 | < Noah> | To be sure there's no conflict, while still giving useful info, instead of being just a completely arbitrary number |
| 18:26 | <@Vasi> | Why not use something standardized, like UUIDs? |
| 18:26 | < froztbyte> | yeah, I'd suggest doing that instead |
| 18:26 | < froztbyte> | timestamps aren't guaranteed to be unique |
| 18:26 | < froztbyte> | formatting could confuse people, etc |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | What the hell is this |
| 18:27 | <@Vasi> | MongoIDs are similar, except they have known ways of getting the timestamp out. |
| 18:27 | < froztbyte> | UUIDs are what you need and then you're done/done |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | find ../.. | wc -l => 30508 |
| 18:27 | < Noah> | It'll be generated by the program solely |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | (count (file-seq "../..")) => 36098 |
| 18:27 | <@Vasi> | find will give the directories |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | So does file-seq. |
| 18:28 | < froztbyte> | Noah: what happens if your program runs fast enough to have multiple entities per second? |
| 18:28 | <@TheWatcher> | Shambolic links? |
| 18:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | And if file-seq didn't, I'd expect its count to be lower, not higher, than find's. |
| 18:28 | < Noah> | froztbyte: It shouldn't, the ids will be used on human input |
| 18:28 | < froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: build a list of both, do big-small, display output :) |
| 18:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | "big-small"? |
| 18:28 | < Noah> | I would hope that in milli (micro?) seconds, that should be safe |
| 18:28 | < froztbyte> | err, read that mathematically |
| 18:29 | <@Vasi> | L2comm |
| 18:29 | < froztbyte> | subtract the small set from the large set |
| 18:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh |
| 18:29 | <@Vasi> | That's what comm does. |
| 18:29 | < froztbyte> | yup |
| 18:29 | <@Vasi> | Outputs need to be two files though |
| 18:29 | < froztbyte> | easy enough to do with some > action |
| 18:31 | < Noah> | froztbyte: The input will go into a bot from IRC, and from different people |
| 18:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I may end up having to do that :/ |
| 18:32 | < froztbyte> | Noah: then I guess it might be fine |
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| 19:14 | < Noah> | <3 easy_install |
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| 20:56 | | * celticminstrel finds a review of Xcode 4 and discovers one or two previously unnoticed features. \o/ |
| 21:05 | <@TheWatcher> | .... if you need a review to find them... |
| 21:13 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 22:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: ok, so, something that kind of bugs me about Clojure (and Lisps in general) compared to more OO languages is that it reads back-to-front |
| 22:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Eg, (show-dupes (dupes (same-size (list-files (...))))) rather than (...).list-files.same-size.dupes.show |
| 22:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | I could write a construct to fix this, but I'm wondering if there's something built in |
| 22:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | (defn pipe [val & fns] |
| 22:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | (reduce #(%2 %1) val fns)) |
| 22:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | (pipe *command-line-args* |
| 22:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | first files same-size vals flatten dupes show-dupes) |
| 22:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | \o/ |
| 22:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Seriously, Java? SERIOUSLY? |
| 22:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | isSymbolicLink() isn't available until Java 7? |
| 22:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | safkjs;lkgjwaighaiurdhgasiuhfsaojfasf |
| 22:59 | <&McMartin> | TF: There's a -> and a .. operator in Clojure that do this interleaving thing as well. |
| 23:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aha |
| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | Also doto, for when you want to do this to objects that don't support chained calls like that \o/ |
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| 23:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh god whyyyyyyy |
| 23:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Found the problem |
| 23:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | (file-seq) follows symlinks |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | Hm. if isSymbolicLink() is a late add, file-seq is probably just blindly forwarding to FileInputStream/FileReader |
| 23:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | file-seq is ftw(), it doesn't actually read file content |
| 23:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Problem is that, since it follows symlinks, it will happily return the same file multiple times, or just get caught in a loop if there's a cycle in the filesystem. |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | The obvious solution here is "tell it not to follow symlinks", but there's no API to do that, and I'm not sure the underlying implementation can do that in any case since, well, there's no way of telling if something is or is not a symlink until Java 7. |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | This simple learning project has gotten surprisingly ugly :/ |
| 23:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: is there an equivalent to "forall" in clojure, for applying a side-effectual function like println to a seq and discarding the results? |
| 23:43 | <&McMartin> | I believe that "doall" function we found before is the one that does it. |
| 23:43 | <&McMartin> | There's also doseq but that's closer to "for" |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | "doall" forces the seq |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | So you go (doall (map f seq)) |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm looking for (forall f seq), which doesn't bother building a result-sequence that will just be thrown away anyways. |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | And makes it clear to the reader that it's the side effects I care about, not the return values. |
| 23:46 | <&McMartin> | To the cheat sheet |
| 23:46 | <&McMartin> | dorun. |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/dorun |
| 23:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | woot |
| 23:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Still needs to wrap a map, though |
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| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | Well, yeah, but that's because map is the primitive "do this function to each element of this thing" |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | If you just want to save typing that's what macros are for >_> |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | dorun is what you want here, though, not doall because dorun doesn't do the seq of return values. |
| 23:54 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm still not thinking lazily, I guess |
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