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| 00:15 | | * ToxicFrog determines that PI_MAIN is sending messages to itself, hence the crazy |
| 00:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | talking to yourself does sound crazy |
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| 00:19 | <@rms> | You have a main function to calculate pi? |
| 00:19 | <@rms> | Why does it look like a macro? |
| 00:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Unless you've got a cellphone. Then you look just like everyone else |
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| 00:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | rms: all symbols in the Pilot library have a PI_ prefix. |
| 00:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | PI_MAIN is the ID of the main process (the CP, on this architecture) |
| 00:25 | <@rms> | Ah |
| 00:27 | <&McMartin> | Exceptions aren't gotos! They can cut the stack! |
| 00:32 | < Tsubaki> | Stack sashimi |
| 00:32 | < Tsubaki> | Served with a nice sauce |
| 00:32 | < Tsubaki> | I'd eat it |
| 00:34 | | * TheWatcher eyes his projects directory, scratches his head |
| 00:34 | <@TheWatcher> | I could have /sworn/ I started writing an rss ticker at some point |
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| 01:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | step 1: figure out what your question is >.> |
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| 02:19 | <~Vornicus> | THat does help. |
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| 03:31 | < celticminstrel> | Somehow I seem to have an infinite loop in std::copy...? |
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| 03:44 | < celticminstrel> | Due to an uninitialized iterator, as it turns out. |
| 03:45 | < celticminstrel> | Why does TTF_RenderText not return a valid surface if you try to render an empty string? That's a little annoying. |
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| 03:49 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, note this fine object |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | I should do data archaeology more regularly. |
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| 04:02 | <~Vornicus> | a fine object? |
| 04:02 | < celticminstrel> | Data archaeology? |
| 04:05 | | * McMartin was digging through an old drive, found a bunch of nifty retrocoding utilities he wrote many years ago |
| 04:06 | <@rms> | retrocoding? |
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| 04:09 | <&McMartin> | rms: Targeting really old machines. For me, generally C64 or NES. |
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| 04:13 | <@rms> | Ah |
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| 05:16 | | * Rhamphoryncus tries to kick-start his brain into understanding line-plane intersection |
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| 05:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I have an x,y coordinate and I have a normal vector. I want to find the height at which the x,y would hit the plane perpendicular to the normal vector |
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| 05:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I'm sure it's not as complicated as it looks. If it was a line and a line in 2d space it'd be trivial, and unless I'm wrong I could do a plane in 3d space with two 2d lines |
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| 05:42 | <&Derakon> | ...so your (x, y) coordinate is in fact (x, y, 0), right? |
| 05:43 | <&Derakon> | And you want to find an alternate (a, b, c) coordinate that is (x, y, 0) projected onto a plane that intersects the origin and has normal vector (d, e, f)? |
| 05:43 | <&Derakon> | Otherwise your problem seems poorly specified. |
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| 06:00 | <~Vornicus> | wait wait |
| 06:00 | <~Vornicus> | Okay so |
| 06:00 | <~Vornicus> | You have a normal vector... but you don't have a distance? |
| 06:00 | <~Vornicus> | THen you can't answer the question at all - there's no single plane. |
| 06:01 | <~Vornicus> | If you have a normal vector and a point then you can pass a plane through that point. |
| 06:01 | <~Vornicus> | If you have a plane and a point, you can project the point onto the plane. |
| 06:06 | <~Vornicus> | If you have a plane and all but one dimension of the coordinate, you can find the third |
| 06:06 | <~Vornicus> | But you need the distance from the origin along the normal vector in order to have a plane. |
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| 07:40 | < Rhamphoryncus> | sorry, didn't look back when I should have |
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| 07:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | err.. "perpendicular to the normal vector" is wrong |
| 07:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I have a slope and I have an x,y. I want to project the x,y straight up until it hits the slope |
| 07:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | In 2d this means I have the horizontal distance and the angle of a triangle, and I want to find the height |
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| 10:02 | < Tarinaky> | I thought python accepted the C boolean operators like ! && etc... |
| 10:02 | < Tarinaky> | (Even if they're not preferred) |
| 10:02 | < Tarinaky> | I'm getting a squiggly line in my IDE when I use ! for not >.> |
| 10:06 | < Rhamphoryncus> | nope, just not/and |
| 10:07 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It does have the bitwise operators, even if the semantics aren't always the same |
| 10:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Mostly with negatives or overflow though. Can't think of another example |
| 10:11 | < Tarinaky> | Lame. Never been a big fan of 'not' as a keyword. |
| 10:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It goes with and/or in python |
| 10:12 | < Tarinaky> | Yeah, I know. |
| 10:24 | <&McMartin> | Also, "not" goes better with "is". |
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| 11:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | if 2 <= a < 10 and x not in y and x is not b: |
| 11:40 | < Tarinaky> | Either my Laptop's sputnik or something's breaking. |
| 11:40 | < Tarinaky> | Which I could really do without :/ |
| 11:40 | < Tarinaky> | Harddrive light's not on so it must be CPU fan -.- |
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| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Ramph: ... that's pretty horrible. |
| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | +h |
| 11:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | why? |
| 11:53 | <&jerith> | I'd add parens, personally. |
| 11:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 11:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I don't mind that if it has syntax highlighting |
| 11:53 | <&jerith> | if (2 <= a < 10) and (x not in y) and (x is not b): |
| 11:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | What I dislike is if a and b or c: |
| 11:53 | <&jerith> | The parens just make it a little clearer. |
| 11:54 | <&jerith> | Rhamphoryncus: What about "foo = a if bar else b"? |
| 11:55 | <&jerith> | I don't really like the ordering, but I do like having a ?: equivalent. |
| 11:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | never liked the conditional expression |
| 11:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Sometimes desirable but ugly enough that I rarely take advantage of it |
| 11:55 | <&jerith> | Yeah. |
| 11:55 | <&jerith> | The alternative is three or four lines, though. |
| 11:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And I note that my current editor highlights "not" just the same as "and", which doesn't read well at all |
| 11:56 | <@TheWatcher> | And the whole "if it has syntax highlighting" argument pisses the everliving hell out of me. Code should be as readable through 'less' as through some fancy highlighting editor |
| 11:56 | <&McMartin> | Death to rainbow parens |
| 11:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Especially given that different editors highlight in different ways. |
| 11:57 | <@TheWatcher> | To say nothing of highlighting done in places like github/pastebin/etc being drastically different. |
| 11:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Eh, syntax highlighting will always be better. That's why it exists |
| 11:57 | <&jerith> | Reminds me of a post to the plan9 list in response to a friend suggesting syntax highlighting for acme. |
| 11:57 | < Tarinaky> | What's wrong with if a and b or c? |
| 11:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Most of the benefits are pretty similar regardless of style though |
| 11:57 | <@TheWatcher> | If you are relying on highlighting to make your code readable, your code is shit |
| 11:57 | <&jerith> | "Text is not a rainbow! Text is text!" |
| 11:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Tarinaky: and/or are normally boolean operators |
| 11:58 | <@TheWatcher> | highlighting should be an aid, not a necessity |
| 11:58 | < Tarinaky> | Is it not (a.b)+c ? |
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| 11:58 | < Tarinaky> | Rhamphoryncus: ... so? You can still form compound expressions... |
| 11:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It is an aid, but that still changes your primary target |
| 11:59 | <&jerith> | I find highlighted code easier to read. It doesn't change how I write code, though. |
| 11:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Just because your program can run on 640x480 doesn't mean it'll work as well as on 1680x1050 |
| 12:00 | <&jerith> | I also like PEP-8 79-character lines. |
| 12:00 | <&jerith> | Even though it's a bit annoying to have to split stuff up. |
| 12:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I'm pretty fast and loose on that |
| 12:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Worse since I'm using C++ :P |
| 12:01 | < Tarinaky> | Unless your IDE has a mark to show where 79 characters is I don't see how else you can do it. |
| 12:01 | < Tarinaky> | Counting characters is silly. |
| 12:01 | < Tarinaky> | Or at least, sitting there and counting characters is silly. |
| 12:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It does |
| 12:01 | < Tarinaky> | Yours is better than mine then. |
| 12:02 | <&jerith> | My editor runs pep8 and pyflakes and warns me about violations. |
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| 13:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/new-internet-explorer-7-tax/ |
| 13:43 | < gnolam> | Heh. |
| 13:43 | < gnolam> | I wonder what happens with IE6? |
| 13:47 | <@TheWatcher> | .... That is awesome |
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| 13:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Apparently it only targets IE7 specifically. IE6 isn't taxed >.< |
| 13:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | People still use IE6? |
| 13:50 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes ;.; |
| 13:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...who am I kidding, of course people still use IE6. |
| 14:00 | <&jerith> | They probably don't support IE6. |
| 14:01 | < Reiver> | Which version is the Browser That Never Dies? |
| 14:01 | <&jerith> | IE6. |
| 14:02 | <&jerith> | It'll probably die with Windows XP. |
| 14:06 | < Reiver> | Pshyeah. Like XP is going to die. |
| 14:06 | < Reiver> | FFS, my buisness is only starting to do the upgrade O.o |
| 14:06 | < Reiver> | (To IE7, thankfully.) |
| 14:07 | < Reiver> | XP is going to be around for a good long while~ |
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| 14:20 | <@rms> | Why would you thank an upgrade to IE7? That's the version that takes 7 seconds on an 8-core 4Ghtz machine with 32GB of RAM to load a new tab. |
| 14:20 | <@rms> | It's always 7 seconds too. |
| 14:20 | <@rms> | No matter the machine. |
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| 14:44 | < iofficespace> | woot |
| 14:45 | < iofficespace> | one of my more time intensive tests is now semi-automated! |
| 14:46 | <&jerith> | \o/ |
| 14:49 | < iofficespace> | :P |
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| 14:55 | < iofficespace> | instead of running 6 commands 64 times, i can run 1 64 times >_> |
| 14:55 | < iofficespace> | (and that's as automated as it'll get) |
| 15:01 | < Tarinaky> | Question: What's the best way of describing/explaining concurrency to a nonprogrammer? |
| 15:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 15:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Generally I have three prongs. |
| 15:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | - basic explanation: without concurrency, a program can only do one thing at a time. If it looks like it's doing multiple things at once, it's actually just switching between them so fast it looks like it's handling them all simultaneously. With concurrency, it's truly simultaneous: one program can be executing more than one part of itself at the same time, each part handling a different task. |
| 15:06 | < iofficespace> | this will... make everything so much easier |
| 15:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | - real-world example: a web browser. Say it's loading a page and also downloading a file in the background. A non-concurrent browser would load part of the page, then download part of the file, then load another part of the page, etc. A concurrent browser just has part of itself working on the download and another part working on the page load at the same time. |
| 15:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | - analogy: you're writing two letters. The not-concurrent-at-all approach is to write one, then write the other. The looks-concurrent-but-isn't approach is to write a few words of one, then a few words of the other - if you could do this fast enough, it would look like you were writing both at once. The actual concurrent approach is to have a pen in each hand and write them both at once - or, perhaps, to tell someone else to write t |
| 15:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | he second letter for you while you work on the first one. |
| 15:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is something that comes up a fair bit (whenever a relative without a technical background asks me what my thesis is on). |
| 15:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Generally I don't need to break out the analogy. |
| 15:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: does that help? |
| 15:14 | < Tarinaky> | I thought concurrency was more than just that though. |
| 15:14 | < Tarinaky> | That that was just its practical application. |
| 15:27 | < RichyB> | Concurrency is multiple tasks executing with no defined ordering between them, or only a partially-defined ordering between them (partial ordering enforced by synchronisation primitives). |
| 15:27 | < RichyB> | Parallelism is multiple things happening actually simultaneously. |
| 15:27 | < RichyB> | You can have nonparallel concurrent systems based on preemption. |
| 15:27 | < Noah> | Saw something about quantum calculation and atomic massaging last night |
| 15:28 | < RichyB> | The valence electrons get so tense and angry, it's good to calm them down. |
| 15:28 | | * gnolam snickers. |
| 15:30 | < Noah> | Apparently, if you get molecules to feel good, then ask them to do something, they'll be like "yea sure man" and do it |
| 15:30 | < Noah> | I'm certain the scientist was one step away from being a crackpot |
| 15:31 | < Tarinaky> | Ahah. |
| 15:32 | < Noah> | But he makes like twice what I would in my entirely lifetime in like 30 seconds, so he must be on to something |
| 15:37 | < gnolam> | ... a scientist? Really? |
| 15:37 | < gnolam> | Science is many things. Well paid is not one of them. |
| 15:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | RichyB: untrue. Concurrency is specifically more than one computation occurring at the same time. |
| 15:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | (there is a distinction - maybe - between "concurrency" and "parallellism". No-one agrees on what it is. I generally take the stance that parallel programming implies some sort of homogeneity and concurrency does not, but this is not a given.) |
| 16:00 | < RichyB> | We disagree, I still think you're wrong. |
| 16:00 | < RichyB> | Really the solution is to pick yet another set of words so that we can abandon these ones. |
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| 16:12 | | * TheWatcher headdesks |
| 16:12 | <@TheWatcher> | Just spent an hour trying to work out why this session code wasn't working, when I had the wrong setting for the secure flag |
| 16:12 | <@TheWatcher> | aaargh |
| 16:12 | | * iofficespace hugs TheWatcher |
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| 16:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | RichyB: I checked Lin & Snyder and their definition is, in fact, closer to yours. |
| 16:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | ("concurrent" is logically simultaneous, "parallel" is physically simultaneous.) |
| 16:35 | < RichyB> | ToxicFrog, ...thank you. |
| 16:35 | < RichyB> | It's kind of startling to come to places like #code and meet people who actually check things and correct themselves. |
| 16:35 | < RichyB> | Compared to, y'know, the rest of the internet. |
| 16:36 | < Tarinaky> | There aren't enough cat pictures or insinuations about sexuality you mean. |
| 16:40 | < RichyB> | No, no, I'm cool with cat pictures. |
| 16:41 | < RichyB> | Uninvited insinuations about sexuality or gender identity are generally unwelcome though. |
| 16:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, this: "Concurrency is multiple tasks executing with no defined ordering between them, or only a partially-defined ordering between them (partial ordering enforced by synchronisation primitives)." is going to get a blank stare from most laypeople :) |
| 16:45 | < Tarinaky> | Actions occur in no, or reduced ordering. |
| 16:45 | < Tarinaky> | Which permits them to occur at the same time if the hardware supports this. |
| 16:45 | < Tarinaky> | Yes? |
| 16:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hardware and OS etc, but yes. |
| 16:49 | < iofficespace> | MEMBERS OF #CODE |
| 16:49 | < iofficespace> | i require your aid, i have a bash script with a command in it that if it fails the rest of the script will be unable to run, how would i go about checking this? |
| 16:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | If there's no ordering constraint between A and B, it means they could happen A then B, or B then A, or both at once. |
| 16:50 | | * iofficespace isn't all that familiar with bash >_> |
| 16:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, IME your typical nonprogrammer will respond to that with "ok, but what does that actually mean?" or similar. |
| 16:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's true that my explanation is more "this is what concurrency is useful for/what a concurrent program looks like" and less "this is what concurrency is as a theoretical construct", but I've had a lot more success with the former than the latter when attempting to explain my research to the layperson. |
| 16:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | iofficespace: command || { echo "Oh noes!"; exit 1; } |
| 16:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alternately, $? is the exit code of the last command you ran, which will (should) be nonzero if it failed. |
| 16:52 | < iofficespace> | kk |
| 16:53 | < iofficespace> | thanks |
| 16:55 | < Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: You can dig a tunnel working west to east, east to west... or start in both corners and meet in the middle! |
| 16:55 | < Tarinaky> | s/corners/ends/ |
| 16:57 | < iofficespace> | ToxicFrog: it worked :D |
| 16:58 | <~Vornicus> | ...oh weird |
| 16:58 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah, so, this font is decidedly not suitable for programming |
| 16:58 | <~Vornicus> | || looks like a wide single | |
| 16:59 | <~Vornicus> | (Eurostile, which for some reason I like as my IRC font) |
| 16:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oops |
| 16:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | iofficespace: I can go into lots of detail on how that works, if you care~ |
| 16:59 | < iofficespace> | nah |
| 16:59 | < iofficespace> | this is just a very dirty script i wrote to help automate some of my testing |
| 17:00 | < iofficespace> | doesn't need anything fancy |
| 17:00 | < iofficespace> | just needs to exit if dhcpcd fails |
| 17:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Righto |
| 17:07 | < Tarinaky> | Does anyone have any advice for making vector graphics with limited artistic/holding-a-mouse-steady skills? |
| 17:08 | < Tarinaky> | Because I can't hold a mouse steady and have a terrible sense of proportion. |
| 17:08 | <@TheWatcher> | "Find an artist"~ |
| 17:08 | < Tarinaky> | Cheaper? |
| 17:09 | < iofficespace> | (it is sort of hard to run a ping test if dhcpcd isn't working :P) |
| 17:13 | <@rms> | L2static IPs |
| 17:13 | <@rms> | Also "setopt -e" or something |
| 17:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: postscript~ |
| 17:16 | < gnolam> | Tarinaky: find a reference. Trace it. |
| 17:17 | <@rms> | Yeah, adding "set -e" to the top of a bash script (after the shebang) will make it stop executing if any line errors out. |
| 17:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky: "Practice". Also, "Lots". |
| 17:18 | < Tarinaky> | I've never been able to find anything explaining how to use postscript that wasn't Eldritch :/ |
| 17:19 | < gnolam> | What kind of stuff are you looking to draw? |
| 17:21 | < Tarinaky> | http://edndoc.esri.com/arcobjects/9.2/NET/bitmaps/daa82b94-5077-482b-8a0b-9cf810 869c1c3.png |
| 17:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: it's not as hard as it looks, really~ |
| 17:21 | < gnolam> | ... yeah, that stuff you don't need steady hands for. |
| 17:21 | < Tarinaky> | http://www.developerfusion.com/pix/articleimages/may07/design1.jpg |
| 17:22 | < gnolam> | Just download Inkscape. |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | And looking at that image, doing it in PS probably wouldn't be very hard |
| 17:22 | < gnolam> | Start with rectangles. |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said |
| 17:22 | < Tarinaky> | I used Inkscape. It looks terrible because I am not an artist :/ |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | You could also do it easily with the mouse in any vector graphics program (inkskape, xfig, etc) |
| 17:22 | < Tarinaky> | Not symetrical etc... |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er |
| 17:22 | < gnolam> | Looking at the first one: |
| 17:22 | < gnolam> | Rectangle with text inside. |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Go point-to-point, use grid snap and curve tools |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Don't draw it freehand |
| 17:22 | < gnolam> | Square rotated 45 degrees. Lines added. |
| 17:23 | < gnolam> | And yes, as TF says, you don't have to do this freehand. |
| 17:23 | < Tarinaky> | How do you do that for beziers? |
| 17:23 | < gnolam> | You have a full range of alignment/move only one thing/move only in one direction tools. |
| 17:23 | < Tarinaky> | The symbol for Airborne needs beziers >.< |
| 17:23 | < gnolam> | Which one is that? |
| 17:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Eg, if you're doing this in xfig, you have a grid to use as a reference, you can manually enter sizes, proportions, and coordinates... |
| 17:23 | < Tarinaky> | Not shown on those images. |
| 17:23 | < Tarinaky> | Those're just examples of APP-6A symbols. |
| 17:24 | < gnolam> | And again: trace |
| 17:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, I'm surprised that there aren't already PDF/PS/SVG versions of these. |
| 17:24 | < gnolam> | Just drag your reference image into inkscape and trace over it. |
| 17:24 | < Tarinaky> | Airborne http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/APP-6a_Airborne.png |
| 17:24 | < gnolam> | Draw a line. Add a vertex (automatically pops up in the middle). |
| 17:25 | < Tarinaky> | Well, the problem is I need to composite them in-engine. |
| 17:25 | < Tarinaky> | So a space containing a Marine Transport -and- a Colony Transport has the symbols for both... |
| 17:25 | < gnolam> | Make into curves. |
| 17:25 | < Tarinaky> | Or hostile ships have their owner's flags on them etc... |
| 17:26 | < gnolam> | (Alternatively: add two more vertices, select them and move them to those curves' apices, then make into curves with selected vertices as smooth and symmetrical) |
| 17:27 | < Tarinaky> | How do I get them lined up so they're equidistantly placed in the exported png? |
| 17:27 | < Tarinaky> | >.< |
| 17:27 | < gnolam> | The different symbols? |
| 17:27 | < Tarinaky> | The vertexes of one symbol. |
| 17:28 | < Tarinaky> | So I have a bunch of colorkey PNGs I can blit together. |
| 17:28 | < gnolam> | When adding a vertex, it's automatically added smack in the middle of the selected segment. |
| 17:29 | < gnolam> | If, for some reason, this should not be good enough, enable a grid and snapping to it. |
| 17:29 | < gnolam> | And if /this/ is not enough, the Align and Distribute tool can do some alignment and distribution of nodes as well. |
| 17:30 | < Tarinaky> | Yeah, but the exported image is just the symbol. |
| 17:30 | < Tarinaky> | No white-space. |
| 17:30 | < gnolam> | No white-space? |
| 17:30 | < Tarinaky> | Inkscape's export doesn't export any white space. |
| 17:30 | < gnolam> | Define "white space". |
| 17:30 | < Tarinaky> | Space that has nothing in it. |
| 17:31 | < gnolam> | It exports whatever you tell it to. |
| 17:31 | < Tarinaky> | If I want a 64x64 white png with a line in the bottom of it. |
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| 17:31 | < gnolam> | "Drawing" and "Selection" export a minimal bounding box. But see those x0,y0,x1,y1,width,height values? You may change those at will. |
| 17:32 | < gnolam> | /Or/, you can make the page the size you want and export the page. |
| 17:32 | < Tarinaky> | I see. |
| 17:32 | < Tarinaky> | I shall have to fail harder next time >.< |
| 17:32 | < gnolam> | Which, for this kind of stuff, is really what you want. |
| 17:39 | <~Vornicus> | (hooray, beziers) |
| 17:39 | | * Vornicus was scrolled up too. |
| 17:42 | < celticminstrel> | [Jun 14@11:58:55am] Vornicus: || looks like a wide single | |
| 17:42 | < celticminstrel> | That would be a spacing (kerning?) problem, right? A font like that doesn't sound particularly suited for much at all... |
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| 18:17 | < celticminstrel> | ...what. Xcode's function menu doesn't recognize classes with templated base classes. |
| 18:18 | < celticminstrel> | (ie where the base class has template arguments) |
| 18:19 | < celticminstrel> | Altogether its parsing for the function menu is seriously lacking. |
| 18:19 | < celticminstrel> | Can't even recognize TODO comments or #pragma mark inside a function. |
| 18:20 | < celticminstrel> | Or enums or structs or several other things. |
| 18:27 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: I actually picked it because the letters are very distinct. |
| 18:28 | <~Vornicus> | I find a lot of fonts make rn look like m, this one doesn't. |
| 18:40 | < celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 18:48 | | * iofficespace is board of testing boreds |
| 18:50 | <~Vornicus> | but yeah, using it for programming? bad idea. { and ( are too similar, || does as described. |
| 18:50 | <~Vornicus> | This is the only channel where it actually matters though |
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| 19:28 | < celticminstrel> | I'd consider trying to fix these issues in the xclangspec, but I can't find where I'd have to put the modified file... |
| 19:28 | < celticminstrel> | Everything I find is for 4.2 or 3. |
| 19:39 | < celticminstrel> | The rules don't recognize virtual base classes, either... |
| 19:39 | < celticminstrel> | Nor C++11 alias declarations. |
| 20:08 | < celticminstrel> | I sort of wish templated typedefs were supported. Not that it matters, since aliases mean the same thing and are easier to understand. |
| 20:19 | | * TheWatcher eyes himself |
| 20:19 | <@TheWatcher> | From yesterday: 00:34:33 <@TheWatcher> I could have /sworn/ I started writing an rss ticker at some point |
| 20:20 | <@TheWatcher> | I have just found it, although it's not an rss ticker, it actually uses a plugin system to collect the data it shows in the ticker, so it /could/ do it |
| 20:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Slight wrinkle being that the latest timestamp is from the first of January... 2000. |
| 20:22 | < gnolam> | ... damn you, Pi |
| 20:22 | <@TheWatcher> | And it was written for the Amiga. |
| 20:22 | < gnolam> | (<Pi> I hereby decree that the correct pronunciation of the acronym "RSS" shall be "arse") |
| 20:22 | < gnolam> | Guess where my mind went with "RSS ticker"?~ |
| 20:23 | <@TheWatcher> | >.< |
| 20:24 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure what it even *means* to be ass-hearted. |
| 20:24 | <&McMartin> | TW: How late was the Amiga a viable platform? |
| 20:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Probably around '97/98, really. |
| 20:28 | <@Tamber> | gnolam, "RSS feed" |
| 20:28 | <@TheWatcher> | I was still using one, and developing for it, until about 2002 - but that was mainly out of stupidity. |
| 20:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Although, considering this is all over 12 year old code, I'm actually not wincing anything like as much as I expected to at it. |
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| 23:41 | <&McMartin> | TheWatcher: Yeah, Ophis was like that for me too |
| 23:41 | <&McMartin> | The worst of it was actually due to things that Python lacke at the time. |
| 23:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Hrm. Can't I just split a normal vector into x/z and y/z to get two 2d slopes |
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| 23:49 | < celticminstrel> | That sounds vaguely like partial differentiation. |
| 23:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Maybe. I'm still convinced this is easy to do |
| 23:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I have a triangular grid where I store the height for the face (barycenter) of each triangle. To calculate the vertices (which are shared between triangles) I was just averaging the adjacent faces, but I want to improve on that by giving each triangle its own slope and thus a desired vertex height before doing the averaging |
| 23:55 | < celticminstrel> | Triangular? I thought you were implying you were in 3D? |
| 23:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The grid is in 2d map tiles. This is to find the height of them in 3d |
| 23:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (Projecting onto a globe is later on) |
| 23:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | IOW, I'm taking a mesh and applying a heightmap |
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