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| 00:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So, now that I have the real version of KSP (not just the demo), can someone suggest appropriate mods? I have novapunch so far. |
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| 00:34 | < Tarinaky> | Rhamphoryncus: I play without mods. |
| 00:34 | < Tarinaky> | Mods are cheating! |
| 00:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Mods are not waiting for the devs to add more ;) |
| 00:43 | <&McMartin> | 05:30 <&jerith> Is this your first foray into decent test coverage, or just your first on this project? |
| 00:43 | <&McMartin> | My first on this project, because it was a My First Program back when I wrote it. |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | This was a fun case because the bug I caught *wasn't what I was testing for there*, though. |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | Tamber: Since it looks like nobody actually answered you - I'm in the middle of wrapping up a project for writing an assembler for the 6502-series chips in Python. |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | That chip is the one the Atari 2600, NES, and Commodore 64 used. |
| 00:45 | <&McMartin> | And yeah, that's a retrodev project. |
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| 00:50 | <&McMartin> | jerith: Also, sadly, most of my stuff at work does not admit to unit tests =( |
| 00:50 | <&McMartin> | Everything remotely interesting about it is intrinsically systemic. |
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| 01:38 | < celticminstrel> | Does SDL take ownership of an event once you push it? |
| 02:07 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I think it copies the struct |
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| 05:16 | | * Derakon eyes Firefox. |
| 05:17 | <&Derakon> | Y'know, I'd much rather have just an empty white space when looking at a new tab, rather than a bunch of thumbnails of places you think I want to go to. |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | ...ah, a completely nondescript button (looking like a 3x3 grid of grey rectangles) disables it. |
| 05:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh |
| 05:35 | < Orthia> | hey, jerith |
| 05:35 | < Orthia> | what was that thingy with the IRC that let you have a client? |
| 05:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | That...what? |
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| 05:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Orthia: Screen? ZNC? NX? quassel? smuxi? |
| 05:41 | < iospace> | ToxicFrog: screen isn't an irc client... |
| 05:41 | < iospace> | ._. |
| 05:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | iospace: neither are ZNC or NX, but I'm taking a wild stab at what "let you have a client" means here |
| 05:52 | < Orthia> | ToxicFrog: It was an IRC client that let you connect to a personal server, and in doing so get backscroll, etc. |
| 05:52 | < Orthia> | Not entirely unlike IRSSI, but without the Linux~ |
| 05:54 | <&Derakon> | Sounds to me like irssi running under screen, yeah. |
| 05:54 | <&Derakon> | Perhaps with a prettier GUI on top. |
| 05:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Orthia: quassel or smuxi, then |
| 05:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it worked with any client, rather than being a single client split into client and server halves, it was either ZNC (runs a proxy that the client connects to) or screen/NX (lets you detach from the actual client while leaving it running on the server) |
| 05:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | But from your description I'm betting it was Quassel |
| 06:00 | < iospace> | i know franny uses quassel |
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| 08:50 | < Orthia> | Quassel, thank you :) |
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| 09:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Which shows you how a terribly vague question can get you the right answer *if* you respond to further inquiries well :) |
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| 09:49 | <&jerith> | Orthia: Yes, Quassel. |
| 09:50 | <&jerith> | It's built on QT, and the protocol is horrible and undocumented, but apparently works well. |
| 09:50 | <&jerith> | There are desktop clients and an android client. |
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| 13:03 | < Tarinaky> | http://kwejk.pl/obrazek/1201790 |
| 13:49 | <@rms> | Qt* |
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| 15:41 | < celticminstrel> | [Jun 09@8:38:07pm] celticminstrel: Does SDL take ownership of an event once you push it? |
| 15:41 | < celticminstrel> | [Jun 09@9:07:21pm] Rhamphoryncus: I think it copies the struct |
| 15:41 | < celticminstrel> | If that's the case, why does it take a pointer? |
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| 15:54 | <~Vornicus> | because it's easy to pass a pointer to memcpy. |
| 15:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it took the struct as is, wouldn't it get implicitly copied on the stack anyways? |
| 16:01 | <~Vornicus> | Which would mean two copies; the event gets put into the queue, so it can't be in the stack afterwards. |
| 16:05 | < celticminstrel> | So does it needs to be freed by the caller? |
| 16:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you malloced it? Yes. But I'm not sure why you would have. |
| 16:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Goddamnit, I'm going to have to install Scala on windows to debug this |
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| 16:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | brb burning down microsoft |
| 16:44 | < iospace> | haha |
| 16:56 | <@Tamber> | What, all of it? |
| 16:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'll start with the guys responsible for locale |
| 16:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | but who knows when I'll stop |
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| 18:46 | < gnolam> | http://i.imgur.com/KQrPb.jpg |
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| 20:04 | < celticminstrel> | Why would I have malloc'ed it? Obviously because I thought SDL might expect it to stay around because it was passed by pointer. |
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| 20:05 | < celticminstrel> | Argh, I closed the wrong window again. |
| 20:27 | < Noah> | I'm drawing a blank. Let's say I have a list of numbers, ie [1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6] - .index(3) will give me the first index, at index 4, but I want the last index, is that possible? |
| 20:29 | <@Vasi> | Is it always sorted? |
| 20:30 | < Noah> | Yes, am I looking for rindex? |
| 20:30 | < Noah> | Well, that's strings only |
| 20:30 | < Noah> | But yes, always sorted |
| 20:30 | <@Vasi> | l.count(3) |
| 20:31 | <@Vasi> | l[l.index(3) + l.count(3) - 1] // last 3 |
| 20:31 | < Noah> | Ah, and add it to the first inex |
| 20:31 | < Noah> | I thought it should be that easy, and it was, thanks |
| 20:32 | <@Vasi> | Obviously, this only works when it's sorted |
| 20:32 | < Noah> | Obviously, but it is |
| 20:33 | <@Vasi> | l.reverse().index(3) and then more math to get it if it wasn't. |
| 20:36 | < gnolam> | len(set(foo))? |
| 20:36 | < Noah> | set would kill the duplicates, which are important in my case |
| 20:38 | < celticminstrel> | I'm considering rearranging to have two separate event loops, one using the event system for the menus and editor (where the mouse does stuff) and one for the actual game directly checking the keyboard state... but I have no idea if it would help. |
| 21:05 | < Tarinaky> | So. Getting back into developing my 4x game (slowly)... |
| 21:06 | < Tarinaky> | Contemplating whether giving each world special 'tags'/'traits' that unlock special techs for their controllers. |
| 21:06 | < Tarinaky> | Or provide some other benefit beyond just cash. |
| 21:08 | < Tarinaky> | Not sure whether they just make things more complicated though. |
| 21:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fuck java, fuck GUIs, fuck windows, and fuck Java |
| 21:34 | < Tarinaky> | throw new FuckYouException(); |
| 21:35 | <@Vasi> | But Java is the one-true-language. |
| 21:35 | < Tarinaky> | Isn't that FORTRAN? |
| 21:35 | <@Vasi> | Everyone knows the one-true-language loves all of his children. Except the ones he drowns and orders murdered. |
| 21:35 | <@Vasi> | Why don't you love the mecriful one-true-language? |
| 21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vasi: even if Java were a pleasant language to use, which it's not, running Java apps on windows is a clusterfuck |
| 21:37 | <@Vasi> | To be fair. I've yet to figgure out how to make Java find a fucking class I told it to import. |
| 21:38 | <@Vasi> | So I've yet to get any Java project that's more than one file with no external libs to work. |
| 21:41 | < Noah> | that moment when your code is so smelly is makes your eyes sting |
| 21:42 | < Noah> | [die for die in dice if die <= 3] is a lot better than the index-count thing I was doing earlier |
| 21:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vasi: er. If it's in a jar, add the jar to the classpath. If it's in a classfile, make sure the directory containing it is in the classpath. If it's source, make sure it's in the same place as the rest of the program. |
| 21:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Java has many issues but link resolution isn't really one of them |
| 21:53 | <@Vasi> | Honestly, I've spent way too much time on that to care anymore. |
| 21:53 | <@Vasi> | I'd have been happier a long time ago if I didn't have to strace java to try and figgure it out. |
| 21:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 21:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, this is all (a) straightforward and (b) documented, if you were resorting to strace you went off the rails somewhere |
| 21:55 | <@Vasi> | I dunno |
| 21:56 | <@Vasi> | I would have appreciated an error message that informed me where it was looking though. Since I did do the obvious solution of CLASSPATH=. |
| 21:57 | <@Vasi> | Eitherway, preoccupied |
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| 22:00 | <@Vasi> | Exalted games run on Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday |
| 22:03 | <~Vornicus> | I see. |
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| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | 13:36 <@ToxicFrog> Vasi: even if Java were a pleasant language to use, which it's not, running Java apps on windows is a clusterfuck |
| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | whut |
| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | Double click jar, done |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | Package as exe, run that, done |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | [* require JRE to be installed, but EXE packager checks that] |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | I recall basically zero issues with Blorple when I was doing that. |
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| --- Log opened Sun Jun 10 23:25:35 2012 |
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| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: sorry, running command line Java apps on windows is a clusterfuck. |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Stuff that works in javaw.exe is fine, yeah. |
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