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| 00:30 | < celticminstrel> | PHP has easter eggs? |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffles?=PHPB8B5F2A0-3C92-11d3-A3A9-4C7B08C10000 |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's at least three others. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | These work on any PHP install and cannot be disabled in the configuration. |
| 00:33 | < celticminstrel> | Huh? A way to get phpinfo() absolutely anywhere? |
| 00:35 | <&McMartin> | ... were you looking up waffles before this for some reason? |
| 00:35 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 00:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: no, but "waffles" is one of my random words |
| 00:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: there's also a PHP logo one, a Zend logo one, and I forget what the last one is. |
| 00:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://www.0php.com/php_easter_egg.php |
| 00:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Makes me feel like we're all being trolled by the PHP author |
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| --- Log opened Thu May 10 02:42:17 2012 |
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| 02:42 | <&McMartin> | But I decided it was funnier to intercept, do nothing, but the first time it happens, have it say "(NOT first getting out of the hammock; our villain certainly has his priorities right)" |
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| 03:07 | < Noah> | Lol |
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| 06:02 | < Noah> | phone There was no such nickname |
| 06:02 | < Noah> | End of WHOWAS |
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| 07:19 | < Noah> | I was so sure my whowas phone would get a laugh |
| 07:19 | < Noah> | But you are all lamers |
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| 07:45 | <&jerith> | Noah: We are. |
| 07:45 | <@Tamber> | Why else do you think we're /here/. ;) |
| 07:45 | < maoranma> | Point. |
| 07:46 | <&jerith> | I'm here because I like the company. And also the free coffee, but mostly the company. |
| 07:46 | <@Tamber> | :D |
| 07:46 | < maoranma> | that can't be true |
| 07:46 | < maoranma> | I'm terribly company |
| 07:46 | < maoranma> | And the coffee is shit |
| 07:47 | < maoranma> | (See how I reaffirmed point one with point two? hurr* |
| 07:47 | <&jerith> | maoranma: And I have notoriously poor tatse. So there you go. |
| 07:47 | <@Tamber> | XD |
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| 16:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | .. wtf firefox. Search the page for element_array, it exists 5 times. Turn on highlight, it says not found |
| 16:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I can still go through the hits with highlighting on |
| 16:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It just refuses to highlight them |
| 16:11 | < Noah> | Javascript? |
| 16:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | noscript |
| 16:13 | < sshine> | can anyone recommend some inexpensive colocation? |
| 16:13 | < Noah> | Colocation? |
| 16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Lococation! |
| 16:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noah: "you give us your server, we put it in our data centre" |
| 16:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | As opposed to "you give us your VM image and run it on our hardware" |
| 16:16 | < Noah> | I almost understand that |
| 16:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noah: it's a hosting service for entire physical computers rather than software. |
| 16:17 | < Noah> | OH |
| 16:17 | < Noah> | I get it |
| 16:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | ("co-location" because usually a given colo centre will have systems from dozens of different companies in it) |
| 16:17 | < Noah> | Actual servers, box and all |
| 16:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 16:17 | < Noah> | Gotcha |
| 16:17 | < Noah> | I'm always learning something new here |
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| 16:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Does that include basic rack-mount servers? |
| 16:20 | | * celticminstrel wonders if there's a JS function to append HTML after a particular node. |
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| 16:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rhamphoryncus: generally, yes |
| 16:22 | < sshine> | yes, by colocation I assume a dedicated Linux/BSD-box with rented hardware in a centre that maintains a good environment for running servers. they'll make sure it doesn't die from power outages, thunderstorms, fires and tazmanian devils. |
| 16:25 | <@TheWatcher> | celticminstrel: you can do it (see, for example, Node.appendChild()), but you'll probably find life easier using a library like mootools or jquery to help out, (see, for example, Mootools' Element.inject()) |
| 16:31 | < celticminstrel> | I ended up just using regexes. |
| 16:31 | < celticminstrel> | I was tweaking an existing script, so rewriting the whole thing to use jquery would be a bit much... |
| 16:36 | < Tarinaky> | I am so boned re my exams :/ |
| 16:38 | <@TheWatcher> | Why's that? |
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| 16:58 | | * ToxicFrog pokes his ISP with a stick |
| 16:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fix your routing plz |
| 16:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh hey, they did! |
| 16:59 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 17:00 | < celticminstrel> | My ISP is annoying because it's not a very good ISP but still offers the best bandwidth per dollar value. Something like that, anyway. |
| 17:02 | < Noah> | Roger's? Isn't that in Canadia? |
| 17:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's just "Rogers" and yes. |
| 17:03 | < celticminstrel> | No, because there's no such place as Canadia. |
| 17:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, Rogers, best bandwidth per dollar ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 17:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I'm on TekSavvy) |
| 17:04 | < Noah> | Bullshit, then where do maple leafs, bacon, and good beer come from? |
| 17:04 | < celticminstrel> | Canada. Obviously. |
| 17:04 | < celticminstrel> | ...wait, bacon? |
| 17:04 | < Noah> | Never heard of it |
| 17:05 | < celticminstrel> | Probably isn't best everywhere, but it seems to be best here. Or at least it was last we checked. |
| 17:05 | < celticminstrel> | Though that may be partly because we've had them for awhile and haven't been fully subjected to the various price raises they've gone through... |
| 17:06 | < Noah> | My cellphone provider gives me the best bandwidth at "no cap" GBs per month |
| 17:06 | < Noah> | However, trying to torrent over a phone is painful |
| 17:06 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 17:07 | < celticminstrel> | I think my cell phone has a cap of like 2 GB. |
| 17:09 | < Noah> | http://shop.sprint.com/content/datacalculator/index.html?ECID=vanity:datacalcula tor |
| 17:09 | < Noah> | "Shopping for a mobile broadband card, hotspot, laptop or tablet? Use the calculator below to get an idea of which plan fits your lifestyle the best. If you're shopping for a smartphone, you can skip the math-among the top four carriers, only Sprint offers unlimited data on smartphones, with no usage caps, overages or throttling." |
| 17:09 | < Noah> | It's only on the phones mind you |
| 17:10 | < Noah> | But, that's all I need anyway |
| 17:10 | < celticminstrel> | I don't really need unlimited data on the phone though; 2GB is sufficient. |
| 17:10 | < Noah> | NGNGNRRH |
| 17:10 | < Noah> | Ow |
| 17:11 | < Noah> | I tried to think of how I could not go over 2GB and my brain tried to crawl out my ear |
| 17:11 | < celticminstrel> | Heh! |
| 17:11 | < celticminstrel> | I just don't use it that much. |
| 17:12 | < Noah> | Well, it's my only internet, so I use it constantly |
| 17:12 | < celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 17:12 | < celticminstrel> | ...are you on your phone now? |
| 17:12 | < Noah> | Yes |
| 17:13 | < celticminstrel> | You don't have tethering or whatever? |
| 17:13 | < Noah> | Yea, I'm tethering my laptop |
| 17:13 | < celticminstrel> | So, you're actually on your laptop? |
| 17:13 | < Noah> | And no, I'm not paying extra for it, because that's retarded |
| 17:13 | < Noah> | Yes |
| 17:13 | < celticminstrel> | Okay then. :P |
| 17:13 | < celticminstrel> | Not paying extra? |
| 17:14 | < Noah> | Some carriers charge you to unlock the tethering app on your phone |
| 17:14 | < Noah> | Sprint is one of them, I think it's 30$/mo |
| 17:14 | < Noah> | But my phone is very very rooted |
| 17:14 | < celticminstrel> | You don't have such a carrier? Or you bypassed that? |
| 17:15 | < Noah> | Bypassed |
| 17:15 | < Noah> | And because I use an adblocker on my phone, it acts like a hardware adblocker, so no ads on my laptop either :P |
| 17:16 | < celticminstrel> | Interesting... |
| 17:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: my experience with rogers is that they provide lots of speed, but their caps are so low you can't make effective use of it and they'll gouge you for everything they can on the bill. |
| 17:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | TSI has lower speeds but much higher caps and actually bills what they say they will. |
| 17:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...and competent tech support. |
| 17:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is a dramatic contrast to Rogers. |
| 17:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...also, there are cellphone providers that charge you to tether, wtf |
| 17:25 | < Noah> | Sure are |
| 17:25 | < Noah> | And I said the same thing |
| 17:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, that's what I'm responding to |
| 17:40 | < celticminstrel> | My cap is 60GB, which is a bit low, but as I recall the main competitor only offered 25GB or something, and the charge for exceeding the cap was worse. |
| 17:42 | < Noah> | Comcast's cap is 250GB |
| 17:42 | < Noah> | And Comcast sucks, what the hell is wrong with your ISPs |
| 17:43 | < celticminstrel> | No idea... |
| 17:44 | < celticminstrel> | This is at least a year ago that I'm quoting though, so it might've changed since then. |
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| 17:46 | < celticminstrel> | And I dunno if we had a complete sample of the ones available around here. |
| 17:47 | < celticminstrel> | (Though I think "complete sample" is an oxymoron, isn't it?) |
| 17:48 | < Noah> | At the least |
| 17:49 | < Noah> | Unless the definition for what makes a sample complete is defined |
| 17:49 | < Tarinaky> | I think the reason they charge you to tether is because the network isn't designed for it. |
| 17:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: 300GB here |
| 17:50 | < Tarinaky> | When 3G was enisioned it was an optimised web for 'dumb' phones. Not freaking laptops. >.> |
| 17:50 | < Noah> | Guess they should have better infrastructure before they go running there mouths about how awesome their network is and how there's no cap |
| 17:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noah: canadian internet is fucked |
| 17:50 | < Noah> | Yes, and Canadia's internet blows |
| 17:50 | < Noah> | But at least it isn't australia |
| 17:51 | < celticminstrel> | True... |
| 17:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's basically a biopoly everywhere (although not the same biopoly in each province), and the CRTC, the government organization that's meant to regulate this, is owned and operated by the big ISPs |
| 17:51 | < Tarinaky> | Even people who surf on smart phones, on average, use less data than a tethered laptop user >.> |
| 17:51 | < celticminstrel> | Or China... |
| 17:51 | < celticminstrel> | Biopoly? |
| 17:51 | < celticminstrel> | Meaning, two major providers? |
| 17:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | The infrastructure they've been criminally undermaintaining was originally paid for with government grants, but the only concession that's gotten us is that they have to rent out the last mile copper to independent ISPs |
| 17:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: yes |
| 17:51 | < Noah> | Yes |
| 17:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | At rates, of course, that are highly unfavourable |
| 17:52 | < Noah> | not having multiple biomes |
| 17:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | And those ISPs' traffic is still subject to the host's packet shaping. |
| 17:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Even TSI's internet is shit compared to, say, Germany's or Japan's; it's just good by Canadian standards |
| 17:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | And thanks to Rogers and Bell that's a really, really low bar |
| 17:53 | < Noah> | Except apparently our German user in #mf0 can't browse to McMartin's school links |
| 17:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Basically the only way you get good internet here is if you're lucky enough to live in a city where an indie ISP had enough startup cash to go "you know what, fuck Rogers and Bell, we'll just run fibre to every fucking block in the city" |
| 17:54 | < Noah> | And Japanese internet is clogged with hentai |
| 17:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | But those are, obviously, rare. |
| 17:54 | < Noah> | Fibre to the house is so expensive though |
| 17:54 | < celticminstrel> | And they'd also be pretty isolated, right? |
| 17:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | woo! I kinda sort partly understand what VAO means! |
| 17:54 | < celticminstrel> | eg, only available in a small area. |
| 17:54 | < celticminstrel> | ^ie |
| 17:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noah: to install? Yes. That is why it's rare. Because the big ISPs want to keep bandwidth scarce and prices high and the small ISPs can't afford to install it out of pocket |
| 17:55 | < Noah> | Comcast runs hybrid-fibre-coaxial and uses DOCSIS 3.0 |
| 17:56 | < Noah> | It still won't be as good as pure fibre |
| 17:56 | < Noah> | But at least we have connections up to 100megabit |
| 17:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | A vertex array object is actually a vertex *attribute* array. What is a vertex attribute? It's a *format spec* used to *construct* a vertex by your vertex shader |
| 17:57 | < Noah> | Not that I'm ever going to pay the insane price they ask for it though, since the cap stays at 250GB no matter your speed tier |
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| 17:57 | < Noah> | It's a vertax class? |
| 17:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (shader is itself meaningless. It's just "that thar bit of code that takes data in and spits data out!") |
| 17:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | no, an attribute in the class |
| 17:58 | < Noah> | oh |
| 17:58 | | * Noah boggles, will never get graphic programming |
| 17:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | serializer/deserializer |
| 17:58 | < Noah> | or whatver you're doing |
| 17:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yeah, opengl |
| 18:00 | < Noah> | I think if I do get actual internet again, I might not even get it very fast |
| 18:00 | < Noah> | 1.5megabit is still faster than my phone, but the ping time is what kills me |
| 18:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | One point in opengl's favour: even now that I understand the concept I'm having trouble coming up with a really good term for it |
| 18:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The basic idea is that you do struct foo {float x, float c, int j} and you give it the offsets for x/c/j and the stride (sizeof(foo)) |
| 18:03 | < celticminstrel> | I forget, is offsetof an official part of the language or a compiler extension? |
| 18:03 | < Noah> | http://stage.results.speedtest.comcast.net/result/138074292.png This is typical ping, the speed is actually good today over my phone |
| 18:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It makes sense but nothing else ever does that. Actual serialization formats will just have the offsets and leave the stride for a level above (packing into an array is incidental) |
| 18:04 | < Noah> | keep in mine, this is out in 3G boonies, in the city, my speed drops about halfish and my latency goes up about 6 fold |
| 18:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | celticminstrel: standard, at least in C++. Might be a more recent addition to C, I can't recall |
| 18:05 | < Noah> | because Sprint is still fucking off about introducing 4G into the Knoxville area |
| 18:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: man offsetof |
| 18:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | CONFORMING TO |
| 18:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | C89, C99, POSIX.1-2001. |
| 18:07 | < celticminstrel> | Whoa, it has a man-page? |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Everything in C89/C99/POSIX.1 has a man page, yes. |
| 18:08 | < Noah> | No, he just made that up |
| 18:08 | < celticminstrel> | But it's not a function, which is why I was surprised. |
| 18:08 | < celticminstrel> | I suppose C++11 also has it? |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Section 3 of the manual, C programming reference. |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's a macro. |
| 18:08 | < celticminstrel> | ...isn't it a keyword? |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | No. |
| 18:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It's a macro.. that was always illegal. It's now a macro that trivially wraps a compiler builtin :P |
| 18:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (took the compiler writers many years to break their own macro, heh) |
| 18:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, it might be a compiler builtin in some environments these days, but historically it's been a macro that does compile-time pointer math things. |
| 18:09 | < celticminstrel> | I don't have a manpage for it. |
| 18:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | OSX might not have them installed by defauly. |
| 18:10 | < celticminstrel> | It has manpages installed by default. |
| 18:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Erm |
| 18:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | "manpages" are not some monolithic package of all documentation ever released |
| 18:10 | < celticminstrel> | It has C library functions. |
| 18:11 | < Noah> | ToxicFrog: they AREN'T?! |
| 18:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Typically the man page for a program is installed alongside the program itself; on some systems, libc documentation and POSIX reference documentation are separate packages from both each other and the C devtools |
| 18:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, OSX Is Not Linux and just because Linux has man pages for something doesn't mean OSX does. |
| 18:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: section 2, or 3? |
| 18:12 | < celticminstrel> | Section 3. |
| 18:13 | < celticminstrel> | $ man strcpy |
| 18:13 | < celticminstrel> | STRCPY(3) BSD Library Functions Manual STRCPY(3) |
| 18:13 | < Noah> | Section 3, paragraph c, point 14a, section b, subsection zz plural z, squiggle 2... |
| 18:16 | | * Rhamphoryncus swizzle selects Noah |
| 18:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (swizzle select is an actual GLSL term) |
| 18:17 | < Noah> | lol |
| 18:17 | < Noah> | Swizzle sounds like a tasty gummy candy |
| 18:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: I've got nothing then |
| 18:19 | < gnolam> | Rhamphoryncus: possibly my favorite feature of GLSL. |
| 18:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gnolam: yeah, it's kind of out of place ;) |
| 18:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | simple, useful.. |
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| 18:38 | < froztbyte> | http://imgur.com/aRd0H |
| 18:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | "Accept my authoritah!" |
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| 20:18 | < Noah> | In Knoxville now, and can't stream audio from shoutcast and surf |
| 20:24 | < Noah> | 400ping, about half a meg down |
| 20:25 | < Noah> | Latency is usually worse |
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| 20:31 | < Noah> | And now shoutcast won't stream. Frak. |
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| 22:31 | < gnolam> | froztbyte: Troll-off? |
| 22:32 | < gnolam> | (RMS seriously spends most of his time trolling. So does Linus, whenever he mouths off about Linux nowadays.) |
| 22:32 | < ErikMesoy> | More like nerdrage-off |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | "Smartphones should really be called AngryBirdsOS!" |
| 22:35 | < Noah> | Hey, I do other things besides Angry Birds. |
| 22:35 | <&McMartin> | I run things besides GNU software on Linux but that doesn't shut RMS up, now does it? |
| 22:39 | <@Tamber> | You're getting reality in his nice little clean black and white world. |
| 22:40 | < Noah> | And cars are just Strip Joint locomotives |
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| 22:43 | <@rms> | I doubt that's the real RMS |
| 22:43 | <@rms> | Do you seriously see him using Facebook? |
| 22:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yeah, rms should know about RMS ;) |
| 22:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I figured it was most likely a joke but I'm too lazy to look it up |
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| 22:47 | <@Tamber> | That's a point, doesn't RMS use a laptop without wireless because "Augh, firmware!1"; and browse the web by making email requests for pages? :p |
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| 22:47 | < celticminstrel> | RMS? |
| 22:47 | <@Tamber> | Stallman. Of GNU infamy. |
| 22:48 | < celticminstrel> | Okay? |
| 22:48 | | * rms is R. M. Stamer. |
| 22:48 | <@rms> | (For those who may have been confused) |
| 22:49 | <@Tamber> | Overloaded initialisms? Who woulda thunk it? |
| 22:49 | <@rms> | Indeed |
| 22:49 | < celticminstrel> | This made it clear they weren't talking about you: [May 10@5:43:08pm] rms: I doubt that's the real RMS |
| 22:50 | <@rms> | There was a join since then. |
| 22:50 | <@rms> | *shrugs* |
| 22:50 | < celticminstrel> | I wonder if there's a way to tell Youtube not to auto-play... |
| 22:50 | < celticminstrel> | The join since then was a rejoin though... |
| 22:50 | <@Tamber> | It autoplays? |
| 22:50 | < celticminstrel> | Yes? |
| 22:51 | <@rms> | Eitherway, I'm pretty sure RMS started using a web-browser to browse a while ago |
| 22:51 | < celticminstrel> | Load a video page and the video starts playing. |
| 22:51 | <@rms> | Doesn't auto-play here. |
| 22:51 | <@rms> | Hasn't for a while |
| 22:51 | <@Tamber> | cm: Doesn't autoplay here, I have to hit play on the video. o.o |
| 22:51 | <@rms> | Mind you I use the HTML5 player |
| 22:51 | < celticminstrel> | JavaScript status? |
| 22:52 | <@rms> | Can't be disabled (Chromium), to my knowledge |
| 22:53 | < celticminstrel> | So, I probably use an HTML5 player too, then? |
| 22:53 | <@rms> | <celticminstrel> JavaScript status? <rms> Can't be disabled (Chromium), to my knowledge |
| 22:54 | <@rms> | You have to manually activate the HTML5 player |
| 22:54 | <@rms> | As it's apparently still in trial |
| 22:54 | < celticminstrel> | Where do you do this? |
| 22:54 | <@rms> | youtube.com/html5 |
| 22:54 | < celticminstrel> | ...how was I supposed to find something like that? |
| 22:56 | < celticminstrel> | Can you opt out once you're in? Not that I'd probably want to. |
| 22:58 | <@rms> | You got back |
| 22:58 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 22:58 | <@rms> | ... and push the same button again |
| 22:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | note: the html5 player requires flash :P |
| 22:58 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, go. |
| 22:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | On desktop anyway. They turn that requirement off on mobile |
| 22:58 | <@rms> | Rhamphoryncus: Really? Because on the machines where I don't have Flash installed, and the ones where I have it disabled the HTML5 player works just fine. |
| 22:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And they also block it for half or more of the videos |
| 22:59 | <&McMartin> | It depends on support |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | I don't have Flash and it works fine for me |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although some videos show up as unavailable |
| 22:59 | <&McMartin> | AFAICT Stock Firefox, for instance, can't handle H.264 in-browser, and so in HTML5 mode none of my videos play. |
| 22:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Opera doesn't either and I can still watch most things on youtube in HTML5 mode |
| 23:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Hrm. I can't remember |
| 23:00 | < celticminstrel> | Okay, that broke the video on the user page but didn't do anything about auto-play. |
| 23:00 | <&McMartin> | TF: Does that happen to include any of the gameplay vids on my channel~ |
| 23:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | celticminstrel: try some greasemonkey scripts |
| 23:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: dunno, link me |
| 23:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | They're hit or miss, but I still rely on them for the blocked videos |
| 23:00 | <&McMartin> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWIFACqcX1o&list=UUFmF63Rf9IxBxmtnwtdGC9w is the latest |
| 23:00 | < celticminstrel> | Rhamphoryncu: Apparently it'll fallback to the flash player if the video has ads. So maybe that's what you mean. |
| 23:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | "fallback" |
| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | In HTML5 mode in Firefox, I just get a screen there that says "This video is not supported by any of your HTML5 codecs" or similar |
| 23:01 | < celticminstrel> | Flash status? |
| 23:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yeah, it's supported, they just block it due to wanting ads or whatever |
| 23:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | How do I know this? Because I have a greasemonkey script that shows a link to the webm on every single video |
| 23:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: nice moves |
| 23:02 | < celticminstrel> | Link to the webm? |
| 23:02 | <&McMartin> | WebM? |
| 23:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Opera 11.61 linux) |
| 23:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: WebM, the HTML5 <video> codec that isn't H.264. |
| 23:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It only shows up to 720p and occasionally has non-webm at 1080p though. Dunno if that's the script or youtube |
| 23:03 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 23:03 | < celticminstrel> | DOes that mean it give you a download link or something? |
| 23:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yup |
| 23:03 | < celticminstrel> | ^Does |
| 23:03 | < celticminstrel> | Fun. |
| 23:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Browser downloads file, then opens in totem |
| 23:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, McMartin, IWFM. |
| 23:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Which means an annoying wait but much smoother playback |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | Huh. Interesting. |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | Wonder if FF on Windows is somehow screwy |
| 23:04 | < celticminstrel> | I still kinda want something to replace iTunes. |
| 23:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | let's see.. the script I'm using is Youtube HD Suite |
| 23:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: erm, in what sense? |
| 23:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because there's no shortage of media players out there |
| 23:06 | < celticminstrel> | Media library manager, ie organizing things into playlists and such. |
| 23:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, um |
| 23:07 | < celticminstrel> | I like iTunes, but it lacks support for several formats, such as ogg. |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | Totem doesn't let you organize things AFAICT, nor does Rhythmbox |
| 23:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Winamp has had that since like 2003 or something, if not earlier |
| 23:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rhythmbox might, I'm pretty sure Amarok and the other one I can't remember the name of do |
| 23:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Quod Libet is built entirely around that, although you can also use it as a player in a pinch |
| 23:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | "library-oriented media centres" seem to be more common than programs that just play music these days, if anything |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | ISTR that every time I tried to play MP3 collections on any of the stock Ubuntu media players it insisted on playing them in alphabetical order by filename |
| 23:09 | < celticminstrel> | Does there exist one where you can change a song's metadata and not have it revert to whatever metadata is stored in the music file when you play it? |
| 23:09 | < celticminstrel> | That annoys me about iTunes, but VLC does it too. |
| 23:09 | <@Tamber> | Clementine? |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: eeeerm |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was unaware that there were any players where this is an issue |
| 23:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | In everything I've used, "changing a song's metadata" concludes with writing the new metadata to the file, unless the file uses a format in which that is not possible |
| 23:10 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: He means "I want the player to maintain a parallel set of metadata, defaulting to the song's, but using the parallel set" |
| 23:10 | <&McMartin> | Like Zoom does for iFiction entries. |
| 23:10 | < celticminstrel> | Well, having it actually write the new metadata to file is also acceptable though. |
| 23:10 | <&McMartin> | The implication being that you want to keep the original music binaries untouched, either because the bit pattern is important or because the medium is read-only |
| 23:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | The only programs I've actually done library management in are Quod Libet and Winamp and both update metadata just fine |
| 23:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | QL is better for mass retagging and automatic rearrangement of directory structures though |
| 23:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Speaking of which it's about time I wielded it viciously at my music collection again |
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| 23:13 | < celticminstrel> | I'm guessing Rhythmbox being a GNOME application means it'd require X11. |
| 23:13 | <&McMartin> | Oh, this is on Mac? |
| 23:13 | < celticminstrel> | Yeah. |
| 23:14 | <&McMartin> | That's a bit of a different set of apps, I suspect |
| 23:14 | < celticminstrel> | Probably. |
| 23:14 | < celticminstrel> | Only one it rules out is Winamp, though. |
| 23:14 | < celticminstrel> | Of those mentioned. |
| 23:14 | < celticminstrel> | I think. |
| 23:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Winamp does in fact run in wine~ |
| 23:15 | < celticminstrel> | I guess there's that. |
| 23:15 | < celticminstrel> | Though sound in WINE might be a little... |
| 23:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | (not a serious suggestion, last time I checked performance went to shit whenever it needed to open a popup) |
| 23:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | (sound worked fine though)( |
| 23:16 | < celticminstrel> | I remember having issues with it, anyway. I can't remember if they disappeared once I updated to Lion and installed wine from MacPorts. |
| 23:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Speaking of wine |
| 23:17 | | * ToxicFrog baps Jeff Vogel until he releases updated versions of Geneforge |
| 23:18 | < celticminstrel> | Oh yeah, I'll probably have to boot to SL to play that... |
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| 23:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | SL? |
| 23:23 | < celticminstrel> | Snow Leopard... |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...I just had a horrible wonderful idea |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | GF2 doesn't run properly in wine |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | But there is a mca version I could probably pirate somehow |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | And then run that in sheepshaver |
| 23:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | *mac |
| 23:28 | < celticminstrel> | Why would you need to pirate it? |
| 23:28 | < celticminstrel> | And for that matter, what's mcs? |
| 23:28 | < celticminstrel> | ^mca |
| 23:30 | <&McMartin> | "Mac", typoed |
| 23:35 | < celticminstrel> | ...oh duh. |
| 23:35 | < celticminstrel> | Which brings me back to, "why bother pirating"? |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because the Steam version doesn't come with the Mac build |
| 23:40 | <&McMartin> | What is "sheepshaver"? |
| 23:40 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, Steam. |
| 23:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | And I'm not going to buy GF2 again for nearly as much as I paid for the entire series just so that I can play it on my laptop. |
| 23:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: PowerPC emulator |
| 23:40 | < celticminstrel> | I think he'd give you a registration code for the non-Steam version if you asked, though. You'd need to download the demo version first. |
| 23:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh right, I can just download the demo and then use a keygen, duuuuuur |
| 23:41 | < celticminstrel> | Or email him and provide proof that you purchased it on Steam. |
| 23:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: this is faster and has the same ethics, so |
| 23:42 | < celticminstrel> | How does it have the same ethics? |
| 23:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...because I have already purchased the game, and the windows and mac versions are, apart from what platform they run on, identical? |
| 23:43 | < celticminstrel> | Well, I'm sure he wouldn't mind either way... |
| 23:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is in the same bucket as using bittorrent to download a replacement for a CD I've lost (hi, Fallout 2), or using icetea to convert my playstation games for PSP play rather than re-buying them on PSN |
| 23:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | It would be questionable if the versions had significant differences - say, a major graphical overhaul, or additional questlines or something - but they don't. |
| 23:44 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, that wouldn't fly for World of Xeen, from what I've been seeing |
| 23:44 | <&McMartin> | DOS and Mac versions are *noticably* different in terms of Amount Of Stuff |
| 23:44 | < celticminstrel> | Yeah, I'd agree with that. |
| 23:44 | <&McMartin> | Though actually, a lot of the terrible artwork looks better more pixelated >_> |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, GF2 is win9x/MacOS |
| 23:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Internally there's a bunch of differences due to resource fork wackiness but the actual game content is identical |
| 23:47 | < celticminstrel> | Might be some different bugs. :P |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | Speaking, again, of Might & Magic~ |
| 23:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...that said, I should probably give Wasteland a shot first |
| 23:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Since it's easier to get running |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | Let me know how it goes |
| 23:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | I honestly have no idea what to expect, because I've seen fragments of the paragraph book while assembling the HTML version of it for the wasteland 2 thread |
| 23:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I know that some of it is disinformation to foil people who read through it ahead of time |
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| 23:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, for example, there may in fact be martians |
| 23:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I would also be totally unsurprised if there weren't |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | :alienblaster: |
| 23:58 | | * ToxicFrog blinks at the Wasteland manual |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, the point of divergence from our timeline in Wasteland? |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | SHODAN's rampancy triggers WW3. |
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