| --- Log opened Wed May 02 00:00:19 2012 |
| 00:05 | < gnolam> | Score! Found the mod collection. |
| 00:06 | | * McMartin cues HIPPOS.MOD |
| 00:17 | < gnolam> | Also: essays from High School. :o |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, that's why my Ubuntu VMs weren't booting |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | They kept putting GRUB on the *wrong drive* |
| 00:43 | < Alek> | ... I do believe I've encountered stuff like that. |
| 00:44 | < Alek> | both with Linux (suse, iirc) and with windows itself. |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | Let's fix *that* little problem |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | Though seriously, Ubuntu |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | One drive has a partition mounted as / |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | The other has a partition mounted as /home |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | surely it is that first that should get the bootloader? |
| 00:45 | < Alek> | I have half a dozen drives, from various machines, stuffed in one. I've had suse installed at least once. and both with suse and with various installs of windows, I've had times when, after having used a specific drive's MBR for booting for a while, it suddenly started to use another's... with logical results. -_- |
| 00:45 | <@Tamber> | Shouldn't it should be the MBR that gets the bootloader? |
| 00:46 | <&McMartin> | Tamber: That... depends |
| 00:46 | < Alek> | yeah, it's a tad difficult to predict sometimes which drive is being pointed at for the MBR. |
| 00:46 | < Alek> | and as I just mentioned, sometimes the pointer changes. >_> |
| 00:46 | <&McMartin> | While true for hardware, that's less true for VMs, yeah >_> |
| 00:46 | < Alek> | <_< |
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| 00:47 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Doesn't your VM emulate the crappy random BIOS drive ordering? |
| 00:47 | < Alek> | of course, last time this happened to me, it was this particular iteration, with win7. so a quick "fix boot" on the rescue disc solved it. |
| 01:28 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 01:32 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 01:33 | | * rms finds modern BIOSes are pretty good for consistant drive ordering |
| 01:33 | <@rms> | Helps that motherboard SATA ports are numbered |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | jerith: One would assume so, yes, in which case it should be /dev/sda that is the default, not /dev/sdb |
| 01:36 | < Noah> | Seems like mine is configurable |
| 01:36 | < Namegduf> | My BIOS makes whichever drive it is set to boot the first. |
| 01:36 | < Namegduf> | It's really annoying. |
| 01:36 | < Namegduf> | It breaks bootloaders. |
| 01:37 | <@rms> | Bash scripting Q: how do I pad a number/string? |
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| 01:44 | < Noah> | With bubbletape |
| 01:44 | | * Tamber wraps Noah in bubblewrap. |
| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | This seems to work |
| 01:45 | | * Noah shouts something muffled, but it sure sounds rude |
| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | But now I can't override the VM's BIOS to let it boot CDs still. |
| 01:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | rms: "pad" as in "zero pad out to a specified width"? |
| 01:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | ben@thoth /tmp $ printf '%08d\n' 15 |
| 01:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | 00000015 |
| 02:33 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha, whoops. |
| 02:33 | | * McMartin figures out why workspace switch wasn't working. |
| 02:33 | <&McMartin> | Protip: Don't give your VM's WM shortcuts that conflict with your hypervisor's shortcuts, it doesn't end well |
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| 03:02 | <&McMartin> | I can't shake the feeling there's a better way to do this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/961477/ |
| 03:06 | <~Vornicus> | You're doing utf16 to utf8 conversion on a bunch of files? |
| 03:07 | <~Vornicus> | Idunno, that looks about right |
| 03:08 | <@Tamber> | "iconv -f UTF16 -t UTF8 <file>"? |
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| 04:14 | < Noah> | The Lego DD needs owned parts tool |
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| 05:04 | < Alek> | http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3a3a9mTjd1ql2603o1_500.png |
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| 07:12 | <&McMartin> | Woo, solid |
| 07:12 | <&McMartin> | http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit |
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| 09:20 | < Noah> | McMartin: Uhg, almost through sorting my legos. Counting will be easy, since stacking similar blocks into bricks of some power of two, usually 32 |
| 09:20 | < Noah> | of 8, for the little 1x1x1s |
| 09:20 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 09:21 | < Noah> | Want to see that rulebook for MF0 bad~ |
| 09:21 | <&McMartin> | I have none of several of the piece types I'd need to use C6 systems |
| 09:21 | <&McMartin> | It's going to be Creative Commons'd. |
| 09:22 | <&McMartin> | Once I get my PDF I'll be uploading it. |
| 09:22 | < Noah> | O RLY? |
| 09:22 | <&McMartin> | YA RLY. |
| 09:22 | < Noah> | Wow, it's CC |
| 09:22 | < Noah> | That's amazing, now I just want a hardback for how cool those guys are |
| 09:23 | <&McMartin> | That was basically their plan, yeah~ |
| 09:23 | <&McMartin> | The kickstarter was mainly for the art assets &c |
| 09:23 | < Noah> | I have lots of pieces, and many of those weird pieces |
| 09:23 | <&McMartin> | Travis Bricks! |
| 09:23 | < Noah> | Like, I have some thinner 1x1s that have a hose connecting them, from a megabloks F1 racer |
| 09:24 | <&McMartin> | Woo |
| 09:24 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 09:24 | <&McMartin> | I want to build the hovercraft now, really |
| 09:24 | < Noah> | So those will look sweet on some frames |
| 09:24 | <&McMartin> | Mech-Chucks |
| 09:25 | < Noah> | Haha! |
| 09:25 | <&McMartin> | Or Mech-Garottes |
| 09:26 | < Noah> | I have one really neat piece, that was part of some movie set thing, for one of those takeboards |
| 09:26 | <&McMartin> | I have a serious lack of guns =( |
| 09:26 | <&McMartin> | Or really, anything with handles |
| 09:26 | <&McMartin> | My frames will be wielding frying pans and hot dogs =( |
| 09:27 | < Noah> | The boards come off, and it's this piece that is flatish, folding from a 2x2 to a 1x4 |
| 09:27 | < Noah> | I'm thinking I need a lot of those |
| 09:27 | < Noah> | For WINGS |
| 09:27 | <&McMartin> | Nice |
| 09:27 | < Noah> | But, again, I have |
| 09:27 | <&McMartin> | I want to take a 1x4 hinged brick and build a set of hips out of it |
| 09:27 | < Noah> | Exactly |
| 09:27 | < Noah> | one |
| 09:28 | <&McMartin> | pick-a-brick is still out there |
| 09:28 | < Noah> | Also, I watches Tangles, and frying pans are serious business |
| 09:28 | <&McMartin> | Tangled? |
| 09:28 | <&McMartin> | What the shit |
| 09:28 | < Noah> | And the hotdogs give a scary innuendo that might make the other guys flee |
| 09:28 | <&McMartin> | The other MF0 guy I talk to was watching Tangled with his kids tonight too |
| 09:28 | < Noah> | Tangled, yea, the Disney movie |
| 09:29 | < Noah> | Tangled is an awesome movie! |
| 09:29 | <&McMartin> | Was it on some major broadcast network tonight or sommat? |
| 09:29 | < Noah> | No, I've got it on the DVR |
| 09:30 | < Noah> | I -want- a DVD though |
| 09:30 | <&McMartin> | Pretty crazy coincidence |
| 09:30 | < Noah> | Heh |
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| 09:30 | <&McMartin> | But yeah |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | I've backed five kickstarter projects now successfully |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | Tell you what though |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | Gonna hit craigslist for some lego mongering |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | bricklink is pretty good too |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | You have taste in awesome things |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | So it seems~ |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | Oh, the universal adapter thing? |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | No, bricklink's a site |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | Oh |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | Basically ebay for lego |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | lmao |
| 09:31 | < Noah> | There's a site for everything |
| 09:32 | | * Noah looks for lego porn |
| 09:32 | <&McMartin> | They're pretty badass |
| 09:33 | < Noah> | I'll check them out |
| 09:33 | < Noah> | But after someone steps on their 12yos legos in the middle of the night, some deals on craigslist start showing up |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | (The other four were Brian Fargo (Wasteland, Fallout), Tim Schaefer (Psychonauts, Full Throttle), Andrew Plotkin, and the Shadowrun guys |
| 09:33 | <@TheWatcher> | Noah: http://brickshelf.com/ is worth looking at, too |
| 09:33 | < Noah> | Wow, you all would be lego nerds |
| 09:34 | <&McMartin> | I've been studying up after the past couple of weeks~ |
| 09:34 | < Noah> | Yay Andrew Plotkin |
| 09:36 | <@TheWatcher> | Noah: I've got somewhere in the region of 20k pieces of technic (including mindstorms stuff) >.> |
| 09:36 | < Noah> | Besides Megabloks, are there any other compatible to lego systems? |
| 09:36 | <&McMartin> | ISTR there's some other one |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | brickwiki mentions a few at once. |
| 09:37 | < Noah> | Yea, I used to have something like a quarter of a million bricks, until I moved to Kodak some years ago |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | I was never that hardcore |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | I went into comp sci in part so I wouldn't have to deal with physical objects |
| 09:38 | <@TheWatcher> | The mindstorms stuff caused problems for me, there. |
| 09:38 | < Noah> | That's an oddly specific reason to go into compsci |
| 09:38 | <&McMartin> | Well |
| 09:38 | <&McMartin> | It was just added inducement |
| 09:38 | | * McMartin is really terrible with mechanical stuff |
| 09:39 | <&McMartin> | Looking forward to trying to design stuff on my own |
| 09:41 | < Noah> | Wow, there's actually a bit of other software for legos? |
| 09:42 | <&McMartin> | I've heard good stuff about LDRAW, at least |
| 10:03 | < Noah> | http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?colorID=11&itemID=11027 |
| 10:03 | < Noah> | Thank you for the link to Bricklink |
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| 14:38 | | * TheWatcher once again faces the Hardest Problem in Programming |
| 14:38 | <@TheWatcher> | 'Naming Things' |
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| 14:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sweet. OpenSUSE has a rolling-release version now. |
| 14:47 | | * TheWatcher fingertappity |
| 15:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh god this is going to take forever |
| 15:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | (orias is still running 11.3; I figured that while it's offline for hard drive rearrangement anyways, I might as well update 11.3 -> 11.4 -> 12.1 -> tumbleweed) |
| 15:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | (1300/1600 packages downloaded for the 11.4 update!) |
| 15:05 | <@TheWatcher> | >.< |
| 15:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeeeah, I hope you're not in a rush. |
| 15:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the plus side, knowing that SUSE has r-r now makes me feel better about the plan to migrate Ancilla to it |
| 15:18 | < froztbyte> | wow |
| 15:18 | < froztbyte> | I haven't seen anyone rock OpenSUSE in quite some time |
| 15:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've been running it on Orias since 11.0 |
| 15:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | And Symbol uses it for everything |
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| 15:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hey, download complete, install starting \o/ |
| 15:23 | < froztbyte> | well, we maintain our own distro at work |
| 15:24 | < froztbyte> | and I've thought about starting the process to become a package maintainer for mainline debian |
| 15:24 | < froztbyte> | so I guess I have different requirements/goals than most |
| 15:24 | < froztbyte> | (in terms of how I manage/run things) |
| 15:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Maintain your own distro? Why? |
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| 16:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | What kind of version number is this: java-1_6_0-openjdk-1.6.0.0_b24.1.11.1-0.3.2 |
| 16:15 | <@Tamber> | A long, scary one. |
| 16:16 | <@Tamber> | That is useless to anything other than the script that's meant to understand it. :D |
| 16:37 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
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| 16:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Damn you, naming things! |
| 17:00 | < ErikMesoy> | Call it the function which must not be named. |
| 17:00 | < ErikMesoy> | Or object, whatever |
| 17:03 | < celticminstrel> | The Voldemort function? |
| 17:05 | < ShellNinja> | Write the function in machine code, and refer to it only by address. |
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| 17:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | And here comes 12.1 |
| 17:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | All 1.7GB of it |
| 17:24 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 17:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> (orias is still running 11.3; I figured that while it's offline for hard drive rearrangement anyways, I might as well update 11.3 -> 11.4 -> 12.1 -> tumbleweed) |
| 17:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | 1700 packages to download |
| 17:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | ;.; |
| 17:41 | <&McMartin> | what distro? |
| 17:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | SUSE. |
| 17:41 | <&McMartin> | ah |
| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's been a while since I did a full upgrade of it |
| 17:56 | | * TheWatcher arghs at opera |
| 17:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Why do I need to re-set my sodding sans serif font every time I restart you?! Why?! You show the right font name, but load the wrong fucking font. |
| 18:04 | <&jerith> | Fonts are complicated and horrible. |
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| 18:48 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh, you have got to be shitting me |
| 18:48 | <&McMartin> | ? |
| 18:49 | < ToxicFrog> | My laptop lost wireless connection just as zypper was updating its own libraries |
| 18:49 | < ToxicFrog> | Foolishly, I wasn't running it in screen |
| 18:51 | < ToxicFrog> | So of course it SIGHUP'd and ended up in a state where I couldn't launch it again. |
| 18:51 | <&jerith> | ;_; |
| 19:04 | < ToxicFrog> | On the plus side, since all the rpms are downloaded first, I was able to just rpm -Uvh the missing library and continue. |
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| 19:37 | < Vornucopia> | note to self: learn jquery. student is using it, it's quite kickass. |
| 19:39 | <&McMartin> | Oh, this |
| 19:39 | <&McMartin> | Yes |
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| 20:39 | <&Derakon> | Got up an hour and a half earlier than usual today (to take my parents to the airport so they don't have to pay for airport parking), then had a gigantic beef/bacon/barbeque sauce sandwich for lunch. |
| 20:39 | <&Derakon> | I can already tell I'll be basically comatose by 14:00. |
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| 20:46 | < ToxicFrog> | Ok, upgrading to Tumbleweed @.@ |
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| 21:51 | < ToxicFrog> | Tumbleweed: installed! \o/ |
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| 21:56 | | * Derakon sighs, discovers another thing that went wrong with one of the cameras when we got its firmware upgraded. |
| 21:56 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | Oh right. It uses gnome3. |
| 21:57 | <&Derakon> | It appears that pixels whose intensities should be around 1800 sometimes get bumped up to ~3000. Not the same pixels, and not always, but it's like there's a gap in the intensities of pixels we can read out... |
| 22:09 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | Oh blaaaaaagh |
| 22:09 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | The new gnome-terminal uses some sort of framebuffer rendering thing that looks awful over NX |
| 22:10 | <&Derakon> | Lemme guess -- semitransparent shininess? |
| 22:11 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | No |
| 22:11 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | I suspect that if I were looking at it locally it would look pretty much the same as before |
| 22:11 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | Problem is, it's not using normal X11 text rendering |
| 22:11 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | To NX, it just looks like a giant fuckoff image |
| 22:12 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | Which means it goes through the JPEG compressor rather than being transmitted as X drawing instructions |
| 22:12 | < froztbyte> | you're using gnome |
| 22:12 | < froztbyte> | problem found. |
| 22:12 | < froztbyte> | (any gnome component == gnome) |
| 22:13 | < froztbyte> | (god I can't wait for it to dieeeee) |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | Man, if it did, what would actually replace it |
| 22:14 | < froztbyte> | something better, I hope |
| 22:14 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | recommend me a replacement terminal emulator |
| 22:14 | < froztbyte> | KDE actually pretty much works for me for most of what I need |
| 22:14 | < froztbyte> | ToxicFrog|Thoth: they're actually all pretty shit |
| 22:15 | < froztbyte> | xterm and friends are pains in the ass to configure and make look more native, yet they're the ones with fast display code |
| 22:16 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | It doesn't have to be fast, it just has to not completely bypass X |
| 22:16 | < froztbyte> | konsole and gnome-term (and their variants like yakuake) are shitty in different ways |
| 22:16 | < froztbyte> | konsole seems to have shitty handling of large scrollback buffers, gnome-term can get slow on fast-moving output |
| 22:16 | < froztbyte> | etc |
| 22:16 | < froztbyte> | ToxicFrog|Thoth: hmm, try konsole? afaik it works normally |
| 22:17 | < froztbyte> | otherwise rxvt/xterm/urxvt |
| 22:17 | < froztbyte> | they're super close to x |
| 22:17 | <&McMartin> | I like aterm a bit more than xterm. |
| 22:18 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | konsole has the drawback that it requires All Of KDE |
| 22:18 | < froztbyte> | that's not a problem if you're actually using it :) |
| 22:18 | < froztbyte> | but yeah, gnome systems typically don't have that around yet |
| 22:19 | < froztbyte> | McMartin: I don't think I've tried aterm yet/before |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | The *xvt and *term systems are your best bets |
| 22:19 | < froztbyte> | there was some other crowd I found once |
| 22:19 | < froztbyte> | who like to make simpler software |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | My memory of aterm is that it was xterm but with more typical responses to mouse gestures |
| 22:19 | < froztbyte> | they also had some *term |
| 22:19 | | * froztbyte digs |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | (In particular, it had a scrollbar you moved by dragging instead of via middle/right click) |
| 22:20 | < froztbyte> | oh, aterm is ~= afterstep |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | aha |
| 22:20 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | froztbyte: I really don't like KDE as a desktop environment, so the only reason I'd have it installed in the first place is if something I do use has a dependency on it |
| 22:20 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | And I try to avoid that, since I've had issues with runaway memory usage in kde daemons |
| 22:20 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | McMartin: I have to say, I have a nostalgic affection for the Athena widgets |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | heh |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | I have only hatred for Motif and all its spawn |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | This may have to do with having to use CDE for three years |
| 22:24 | < froztbyte> | ah, suckless.org |
| 22:24 | < froztbyte> | http://st.suckless.org/ |
| 22:25 | < froztbyte> | that and mosh are shiny hotnesses, in theory |
| 22:25 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | Athena both predates Motif and is completely different from it |
| 22:25 | < ToxicFrog|Thoth> | (I also like Motif~) |
| 22:25 | | * froztbyte wonders when some crypto people will take a big stick to mosh's block-crypto things and give an opinion on safety |
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| 23:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is fucked |
| 23:02 | <@TheWatcher> | ? |
| 23:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | If I ssh -X from Thoth (which runs Mint/GNOME), none of the theming on the remote side is applied and as a result the forwarded apps look ugly as hell |
| 23:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, I figure, it's something wrong with the configuration on the remote |
| 23:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Except that if I ssh -X from Durandal (running Win7) it works fine. |
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| 23:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | settings in .gtkrc override system-wide settings, as they should... |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...except for gtk-color-scheme, which is completely ignored. |
| 23:39 | <&McMartin> | GTK :argh: |
| 23:53 | | * ToxicFrog does what he probably should have done two years ago, embeds the color scheme directly into ~/.themes/Orias |
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