| --- Log opened Mon Apr 16 00:00:15 2012 |
| 00:07 | <&McMartin> | OK |
| 00:08 | <&McMartin> | Goal for the day: Have my compiler be able to compile Hello World. |
| 00:08 | <~Vornicus> | AMBITION |
| 00:32 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:35 | | * TheWatcher[T-2] looks at some code he wrote about 11 months ago, is shocked to find that it isn't utter shit |
| 00:35 | <&McMartin> | Wheover that fellow was was surely a sharp young lad. |
| 00:35 | <&McMartin> | (You six months ago is someone else, right~) |
| 00:36 | <@TheWatcher[T-2]> | (Clearly~) |
| 00:36 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:41 | < sshine> | McMartin, for what language is your compiler? |
| 00:55 | <&McMartin> | sshine: A subset of Pascal; the goal is to automate the tedious bits of assembly programming for the 8-bit chip series including the C64 and NES. |
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| 01:00 | < Noah> | sshine: Fun Fact: McMartin is on IRC right now with a C64 |
| 01:00 | <&McMartin> | Actually, I haven't re-installed VICE on this machine since I upgraded it |
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| 01:42 | < sshine> | in Drupal, making a cache directory globally writeable can cause the stylesheet not to load. |
| 02:09 | <&McMartin> | Carlsbad:caml mmartin$ ./TestQuad ../tests/test1.pas |
| 02:09 | <&McMartin> | WStr "HELLO, WORLD!" |
| 02:09 | <&McMartin> | WNl |
| 02:09 | <&McMartin> | (Thanks to read/readln/write/writeln all ahveing special calling conventions applying only to them, they get their own primitives in the intermediate language.) |
| 02:16 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 02:32 | < Noah> | McMartin: Yay! (I think.) |
| 02:52 | <&Derakon> | Can anyone recall if there's a standard structure in Python that lets you access a dictionary via foo.bar instead of foo['bar']? |
| 02:53 | <@rms> | | __getattribute__(...) |
| 02:53 | <@rms> | | x.__getattribute__('name') <==> x.name |
| 02:53 | <&Derakon> | Ah. |
| 02:54 | <&Derakon> | Though, thinking about this more I think I'll just make an explicit class for this particular problem. |
| 02:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon: that's the standard procedure |
| 02:57 | < Noah> | Derakon: Seems like I've read something about doing that before |
| 02:59 | < Noah> | http://code.activestate.com/recipes/473786-dictionary-with-attribute-style-acces s/ |
| 03:01 | | * Derakon moves on to trying to figure out the best way to parse the "A+XdYMZ" thing. |
| 03:01 | <&Derakon> | A is optional, but if present it is followed by a +. |
| 03:01 | <&Derakon> | XdY is optional, but if present X is also optional. ._. |
| 03:01 | <&Derakon> | MZ is optional, but the M is always present if the Z is. |
| 03:02 | <&Derakon> | IOW + and M are delimiters. |
| 03:02 | <&Derakon> | So I can use a series of split operations, I guess. |
| 03:02 | <&Derakon> | Would using a regex really be better? |
| 03:06 | < Noah> | Well, supposedly regex is really powerful for things like that |
| 03:06 | < Noah> | However, I can't regex for the life of me |
| 03:08 | <&McMartin> | Are A and X basically the same thing? |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | I'd go with a split and then operate on it a token at a time. |
| 03:09 | <&Derakon> | A is a constant offset. X is the number of dice to roll. Y is the die size. Z is a weighted offset depending on external factors. |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | So, they're all numbers. |
| 03:09 | <&Derakon> | Yes. |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | +, d, and M are your delimiters; split on them and keep them around. |
| 03:10 | <&McMartin> | You can probably just do a series of length and "is this this delimiter" checks instead of making a crazy parser state machine. |
| 03:11 | <&Derakon> | Length? Like, length of the result from split()?+ |
| 03:11 | <&Derakon> | s/+// |
| 03:12 | <&McMartin> | yeah |
| 03:13 | <&McMartin> | There's no reason to go "OK, first we expect a number or 'd'. If it's a number, that's either A or X, so cache that and see if the next one is '+'..." |
| 03:13 | <~Vornicus> | rOne moment |
| 03:14 | <&Derakon> | Okay, I believe I have this working properly with split. |
| 03:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: what are A and X and Y and M and Z actually? |
| 03:16 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I can build some LL(1) parse tables for that, but just because I *can* doesn't mean I *should* |
| 03:16 | <&Derakon> | M is just a delimiter. The rest are ints. |
| 03:16 | <&McMartin> | +, d, and M are literals |
| 03:16 | <&Derakon> | X and Y are number of dice and die size. A is a constant modifier. Z is a scaled modifier (scaled with depth in the dungeon) |
| 03:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | I actually meant "what do they mean" |
| 03:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok. |
| 03:17 | <&Derakon> | They're used to calculate bonuses on objects. |
| 03:17 | <&Derakon> | So e.g. a Ring of Prowess increases the power of your melee strikes by 20+20M80. |
| 03:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I usually see XdY + K; M is completely unfamiliar to me |
| 03:17 | <&Derakon> | Er, 20+d20M80 |
| 03:18 | <&Derakon> | Which means you get from +40 to +120 to your power, depending on a die roll and your dungeon depth. |
| 03:18 | <&Derakon> | ...+21 to +120. |
| 03:18 | <&Derakon> | Sorry, I can't brain. |
| 03:18 | < Noah> | You fail at brain. |
| 03:20 | < Noah> | M80 is what exactly? |
| 03:20 | <&Derakon> | A value that ranges from 0 to 80 depending on depth in the dungeon. |
| 03:20 | < Noah> | Yea, but how is it affect the dice roll? |
| 03:20 | <&Derakon> | It's added to it. |
| 03:20 | < Noah> | Directly? |
| 03:20 | <&Derakon> | Yes. |
| 03:21 | <&McMartin> | The M is for "modifier", presumably |
| 03:21 | < Noah> | So, 20+(d20+DLVL)? |
| 03:22 | <&McMartin> | No, because there might not be 80 DLVLs. |
| 03:22 | <~Vornicus> | pattern = re.compile(r"(?:(?P<offset>\d+)\+)?(?P<dice>\d+)?d(?P<size>\d+)(?:M(?P<weight>\d +))?") |
| 03:22 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah so, re is kind of crunchy. |
| 03:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 03:22 | < Noah> | Oh, so the dungeon level itself isn't the M(#) part? |
| 03:23 | < Noah> | Is it linear? |
| 03:23 | <&Derakon> | No. http://pastebin.com/CzZjQVpm |
| 03:24 | <&Derakon> | "N" is the dungeon level; the other columns show how frequently that bonus was selected for that dungeon level. |
| 03:24 | <&Derakon> | Thus, at dungeon level 128 (the max), the maximum bonus possible in this case (10) was selected 64.07% of the time. |
| 03:25 | | * Vornicus wonders if TF is o.Oing at the regex. |
| 03:25 | <&Derakon> | I know I did! |
| 03:26 | < Noah> | Okay, so the bonus ranges from 0-10? |
| 03:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: yes |
| 03:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | That seems...excessive |
| 03:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | /(\d+\+)?((\d+)?d(\d+))?(M\d+)? |
| 03:27 | <~Vornicus> | (?:(\d+)\+)?(\d+)?d(\d+)(?:M(\d+))? is what it is really |
| 03:28 | <~Vornicus> | the ?P<offset> and the like tag the match groups so you can address them by name. |
| 03:28 | <&Derakon> | Noah: in that case it does. |
| 03:28 | <&Derakon> | That'd be the range for an M10 item. |
| 03:28 | < Noah> | Ah |
| 03:28 | <&Derakon> | If it were M80 then the bonus would range from 0 to 80. |
| 03:29 | <~Vornicus> | This gives you strings with plain numbersin them if they're available and None if they don't exist. |
| 03:30 | <@Alek> | hrm. |
| 03:30 | <@Alek> | so 2+2d4 M8 would be 12 to 18? |
| 03:30 | <&Derakon> | No. |
| 03:30 | <&Derakon> | The minimum output from 2d4 is 2. |
| 03:30 | <@Alek> | I'm confused. sorry. |
| 03:31 | <~Vornicus> | well, it's be 4 to 10 if you meet it on the first dungeon level |
| 03:31 | <&Derakon> | Thus the minimum possible is 2 + 2 + 0. |
| 03:31 | <&Derakon> | The maximum would be 2 + 8 + 8. |
| 03:31 | <@Alek> | mmmh. |
| 03:31 | <~Vornicus> | But it could be 12 to 18 if you get it deeper into the dungeon. |
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| 03:31 | <&Derakon> | Even deeper in the dungeon, the M modifier can still return 0. |
| 03:32 | <&Derakon> | So if all you care about is the range, not the distribution, you should read "M8" as "1d9 - 1". |
| 03:32 | <@Alek> | so basically, it's 2+2d4+(d9-1) effectively? |
| 03:32 | <@Alek> | heh. |
| 03:32 | <&Derakon> | Except it's not because the distribution is absolutely not flat. |
| 03:32 | <@Alek> | mmm. |
| 03:32 | <&Derakon> | Per the table I posted earlier. |
| 03:33 | < Noah> | Derakon: Would it not be easier to have a base number and do a + or - do it based on a role? |
| 03:33 | <@Alek> | you know, there's probably combinations of dice and modifiers that fit any given distribution. just gotta find them. |
| 03:34 | < Noah> | roll* |
| 03:34 | <&Derakon> | The goal here is to introduce a depth-dependent modifier to the quality of items. |
| 03:34 | <&Derakon> | You can't do that with just dice. |
| 03:34 | < Noah> | Hmm |
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| 04:47 | <&Derakon> | Hm, this is getting ugly. Stupid optional values in the serialization. |
| 04:48 | <&Derakon> | For example, the "armor" entry in the serialization has an optional "armorBonus" field which can take the aforementioned format. |
| 04:49 | <&Derakon> | So when I create an armor Item, I want to check if there is an armorBonus field, and convert it into something I can work with more easily. |
| 04:49 | <&Derakon> | So it's like "if self.armor: if 'armorBonus' in self.armor: self.armor['armorBonus'] = parseBonus(self.armor['armorBonus']" |
| 04:50 | <&Derakon> | The general form is "There's an optional field named Bar in this dict Foo; create a Baz from it if it exists, or a dummy Baz if it doesn't." |
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| 04:59 | < Noah> | Derakon: sounds painful |
| 05:05 | <~Vornicus> | Time for the refactor tractor. |
| 05:06 | < Noah> | Vroom vroom |
| 05:06 | <&Derakon> | Does it count as refactoring if this is the first time you're writing the code? |
| 05:06 | <~Vornicus> | Yes. |
| 05:13 | | * Derakon implements the getAmRelevant() method for a few classes. |
| 05:13 | <&Derakon> | There to indicate that the class could actually materially affect the game if it were used. |
| 05:13 | <&Derakon> | (These classes contain various item stats; if the stats are all 0 then the class is not relevant) |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | Helpful thing to keep in mind: the get() method on dicts. |
| 05:20 | <&Derakon> | foo.get(key, defaultValueIfKeyNotPresent) |
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| 05:53 | | * Derakon solves a bug that turned out to be due to him twice failing to remember to return a value having calculated it, thus resulting in functions whose return values were always None. |
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| 06:25 | < Noah> | Heh |
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| 12:57 | < gnolam> | https://github.com/blog/1103-ten-years-of-farbrausch-productions-on-github |
| 13:07 | <@TheWatcher> | ... holyshit |
| 13:12 | <@TheWatcher> | And they public domained it, what. |
| 13:12 | | * TheWatcher grabs |
| 13:13 | <@TheWatcher> | oh, okay, not all PD, some is BSD O.o |
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| 14:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Probably a better choice, really |
| 14:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Either way, I know that this evening I'm going to be pulling them apart to see how they've done some stuff ¬¬ |
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| 18:40 | | * gnolam woots! |
| 18:40 | < gnolam> | Looks like I won't be starving this summer either. |
| 18:44 | <@TheWatcher> | \o/ |
| 18:47 | < gnolam> | Internal radioactive contamination FTW. |
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| 21:23 | | * McMartin has a sinking feeling most of the fun bits of werkkzeug are going to be "calls to system internals" and thus seriously damaging the "in 96kb" claims |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | It's still a major achievement, but the bullshit being slung on the internet in the early 2000s doesn't hold up~ |
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| 22:30 | | * ToxicFrog stabs Seagate in the face a few times |
| 22:30 | < gnolam> | HD crash? |
| 22:33 | < Noah1> | Farbrausch's Debris demo is 177KB of trippy |
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| 22:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | gnolam: no, I'm trying to reconstruct my USB Stick Full Of Useful Tools |
| 22:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which includes Seatools, because it's actually a decent HDD diagnostic thinger |
| 22:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Except god forbid they make it available as a floppy image |
| 22:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, you need to download the installer for the floppy version and rip the image out of it with a hex editor |
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| 23:01 | < Noah> | Write them an angry letter |
| 23:02 | < Noah> | I mean "aggressively worded" |
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| --- Log closed Tue Apr 17 00:00:30 2012 |