| --- Log opened Wed Feb 15 00:00:13 2012 |
| --- Day changed Wed Feb 15 2012 |
| 00:00 | < maoranma> | Jeb has to riffle though Person's code |
| 00:01 | < maoranma> | I just wish it wouldn't LAG SO HARD when writing to disk |
| 00:01 | <&Derakon> | Laptop disks are slow. |
| 00:01 | < celticminstrel> | I thought there were two S's. <_< |
| 00:01 | <&Derakon> | Anyway, must be going. |
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| 00:01 | < maoranma> | Persson |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | If not, he's planning a follow-up tournament later, so I can always grab screenies then |
| 00:01 | < maoranma> | Uh, that doesn't seem right |
| 00:02 | <@RichyB> | ShellNinja: if you type "cat < /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" then hitting control-C will kill it, on Linux and FreeBSD, and it'll only buffer about a half a second's worth of white noise. |
| 00:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Or I could write a player for the playback files... |
| 00:05 | < maoranma> | Hmm, it is two s's |
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| 00:14 | < maoranma> | Let's play Adventurer first, then I'll get to fortressing |
| 00:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | They really are completely different games |
| 00:32 | < maoranma> | Oh I know |
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| 00:50 | < maoranma> | "The leader loses hold of the sheep wool sandal. the leader loses hold of the sheep wool sock. you hack The leader in the left lower leg with your steel battle axe and the severed part sails off in an arc! The leader falls over." |
| 00:50 | < maoranma> | Oh man, I love this game |
| 01:01 | < maoranma> | How unlucky, arrow to the heart |
| 01:01 | < maoranma> | Well, a well crafted silver bolt of sorts |
| 01:01 | < maoranma> | But, still |
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| 08:47 | <@ShellNinja> | gnolam: How do I change the command executed by the run/compile-and-run buttons in Code::Blocks? |
| 08:49 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:02 | <@ShellNinja> | Also, how do I capture something playing with aplay to file? |
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| 13:47 | <@gnolam> | ShellNinja: how do you mean? |
| 13:48 | <@gnolam> | You can specify all kinds of runtime stuff (command line arguments, etc) in the project options, if that's what you mean. |
| 14:02 | < Stalker> | Why does my browser go "back" when I press num9? |
| 14:03 | <@gnolam> | Back as in the previous page, or "back" as in back up the page as in "num 9 without numlock is page up"?, |
| 14:04 | < Stalker> | Back as in back a page. |
| 14:05 | < Stalker> | My mouse has a ridiculous number of buttons, but the software refuses to recognize more than five. So I bound the remainding buttons to numpad numbers because on this laptop home and end requires I use the fn button unless I have disabled numlock, which means it's mostly disabled rendering numpad numbers more or less inaccessible. |
| 14:06 | < Stalker> | Maybe it's just my mouse software behaving strangely? |
| 14:06 | < Stalker> | It works in both IE, Chrome, and FF. |
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| 14:26 | <@gnolam> | Well... among the ridiculously many buttons my mouse has, there's one that works as browser back. |
| 14:26 | <@gnolam> | It hasn't set it up in reverse or something? |
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| 15:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Argh. Damned modular arithmetic. Makes it rather hard to compare against an interval |
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| 18:16 | < maoranma> | Hey guys, did you know if you add yeast to fruit juice, it becomes fizzy? |
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| 18:35 | < RichyB> | Yes. |
| 18:36 | < RichyB> | If you persist, it becomes wine. |
| 18:36 | < maoranma> | An acceptable side-effect |
| 18:37 | < maoranma> | The particular one I've made is cran-strawberry |
| 18:37 | < maoranma> | It's sort of like fruit soda now, plus the buzz |
| 18:39 | <@gnolam> | Your stomach is going to love you for that. |
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| 18:44 | < maoranma> | It doesn't seem to mind so much |
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| 18:54 | < RichyB> | jerith, you around? |
| 18:58 | < maoranma> | You'd think with the way Google is desaturating all their services of color, that they'd make them function properly on the Kindle |
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| 18:59 | <@Eri> | Kindle is Amazon. Google wants it to fail miserably on that platform |
| 19:00 | < maoranma> | lol |
| 19:00 | < maoranma> | Still, the new google reader ui is just so bad on Kindle now |
| 19:01 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 19:01 | < maoranma> | Trying to get a Kindle Dev Kit |
| 19:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | used the wrong variable twice on one line and when it segfaulted I only fixed one of them x_x |
| 19:09 | < maoranma> | lol |
| 19:11 | <@froztbyte> | Rhamphoryncus: haha, don't worry |
| 19:11 | <@froztbyte> | I was on an interview earlier tonight, same sort of shit kept happening |
| 19:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I distinctly remember looking for any further uses |
| 19:11 | <@froztbyte> | continuous stupid mistakes, all courtesy of extreme fatigue and some added jitters |
| 19:12 | | * Rhamphoryncus nods |
| 19:12 | <@froztbyte> | don't get jitters easily...this specific thing is large enough to get me a bit worked up though |
| 19:12 | | * froztbyte is usually a stoic zen master |
| 19:13 | <@froztbyte> | (feel it all, but don't let it show) |
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| 19:15 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Beauty. Vehicles are moving like clockwork :D |
| 19:15 | < Vornucopia> | Yay! |
| 19:17 | < RichyB> | jerith, your (first?) pull request for depixel. :) https://github.com/jerith/depixel/pull/1 |
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| 19:29 | | * Vornucopia wanders the internet, discovers methods to do splines on spheres. gibbers. |
| 19:29 | < maoranma> | heh |
| 19:38 | < Vornucopia> | "It is a well known that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. However anyone attempting to fly from Los Angeles to New York on the straight line connecting them would have to dig a very substantial tunnel first. " |
| 19:45 | < RichyB> | Vornicus, if I had a sensitive enough neutrino detector, I'd put one in the UK and the other in Australia and run TCP/IP by firing neutrons through the Earth. |
| 19:46 | < Vornucopia> | Firing neutrons through the earth you'll get a lot of loss. Firing neutrinos through the earth you'll get a lot of miss. |
| 19:46 | < RichyB> | Vornicus, and become a multi-bajillionairre by selling the service to a merchant bank that does algorithmic trading. |
| 19:46 | < RichyB> | Eh, I meant firing neutrinos. |
| 19:47 | < RichyB> | Vornicus, yes, in some kind of hypothetical fantasy-land physics where cheap devices could be made that fire neutrinos and detect them. :) |
| 19:47 | <@gnolam> | After which, you mount them on your Titans. |
| 19:48 | < RichyB> | I don't think a neutrino generator would make a very good Wave Motion Gun. |
| 19:49 | <@gnolam> | The wha? |
| 19:49 | < RichyB> | I mean it's got the whole "railgun kill" thing down pat, if you can kill ONE guy with it then you can kill A MILLION guys provided they're all colinear. |
| 19:50 | < RichyB> | but you'd probably need to convert a big star to neutrinos to actually kill anyone, they interact so weakly. |
| 19:50 | | * gnolam slaps RichyB over the head with MOO2. |
| 19:50 | < RichyB> | gnolam, I assumed that you were suggesting I attach them to some kind of large battleship? |
| 19:51 | < RichyB> | and I was quibbling that a neutrino cannon would not be the world's most excellent weapon unless you're a hippy and you want a nonharmful gun. |
| 19:56 | < Vornucopia> | Hooray, the Aviation Formulary |
| 19:56 | < Vornucopia> | Solving my problems for me since... um.... 20 minutes ago |
| 20:00 | <@gnolam> | It works in MOO2. Also, I have no idea what a "wave motion gun" is. |
| 20:03 | < RichyB> | It's tvtropes' term for things like C&C's "ion cannon" |
| 20:03 | < Vornucopia> | It's older than that though |
| 20:04 | < RichyB> | Aye, tvtropes takes the name from some anime. |
| 20:04 | <@gnolam> | Ah. |
| 20:04 | < Vornucopia> | Space Battleship Yamato |
| 20:05 | < RichyB> | Epic energy weapons mounted on spaceships. Siege lasers, the beam guns in Freespace, plasma cannons that evaporate entire enemy fleets when you pull the trigger. |
| 20:05 | < Vornucopia> | Which is not Just Some Anime but more like the seminal giant sci-fi spaceships anime. |
| 20:05 | < RichyB> | I didn't say, "just! |
| 20:06 | <@gnolam> | Until it comes highly recommended from someone who doesn't watch anime, it's Just Some Anime. |
| 20:06 | < RichyB> | Vornicus, is it good enough to be worth watching, or is it one of those things like Lovecraft that spawned a genre which immediately surpassed it? |
| 20:07 | < Vornucopia> | It's quite good, imo |
| 20:07 | < Vornucopia> | I've only seen a little, though |
| 20:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | gnolam: so, you'll only accept recommendations for anime for people who have only seen the specific anime they're recommending? |
| 20:19 | | * Vornucopia pokes at this. Remembers he did this once, but forgot exactly how... |
| 20:21 | <@gnolam> | I only accept recommendations from people who aren't part of the anime subculture. |
| 20:22 | <@gnolam> | I.e. anyone who watches anime /because it's anime/ is out. |
| 20:23 | < Vornucopia> | Need to build a hundred points on a great circle. |
| 20:32 | < Vornucopia> | ...which except for ones that cross the pole (where I get gimbal lock) I can get by getting 100 xz locations and crossing them with the normal vector. |
| 20:32 | < Vornucopia> | Okay, all better. |
| 20:41 | < Vornucopia> | except apparently I suck, but |
| 20:43 | < Vornucopia> | Oh, of course. Normalize After Every Operation If You're Doing Spherical Math, Kids |
| 20:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | gnolam: ok, but that's a big difference from "people who don't watch anime" |
| 20:50 | <@jerith> | RichyB: \o/ |
| 20:51 | < Vornucopia> | I should really look into folding some of my work into jerith's, if there's anything of mine worth preserving. |
| 20:52 | <@jerith> | Vornucopia: Since you have a different use case, I'm sure there's plenty worth keeping. |
| 20:52 | <@jerith> | It might not fit in cleanly, though. |
| 20:54 | <@gnolam> | The former group watch movies and TV series. Some of them might happen to be anime dittos. |
| 20:54 | <@gnolam> | The latter group watches anime. |
| 20:55 | <@jerith> | RichyB: Some minor comments on your PR, then I'll merge it in. Thanks muchly. |
| 20:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | gnolam: see, to most people, "people who don't watch X" means "people who don't watch X", not "people who watch stuff, some of which might be X, but don't watch X just because it's X but rather because they enjoy some X" |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | When you say "people who don't watch anime" (or live action movies, or saturday morning cartoons, or action films, or or or) I interpret that as "people who don't watch any anime, because they have an aversion to the medium", because, well, that's what most people mean when they say that. |
| 20:57 | < Vornucopia> | There. Apparently I can do vector math still. |
| 20:57 | < RichyB> | jerith, I assume that the pull request itself was the thing that was annoyingly poorly formatted? |
| 20:58 | <@jerith> | Annoyingly poorly formatted? |
| 20:58 | < RichyB> | jerith, a) you're welcome and b) use virtualenv or something now that it's eggified and you can drop ideas like "dependencies are bad". No need to reimplement networkx. :) |
| 20:58 | < RichyB> | Never mind. I'll go look at your comments. :) |
| 20:59 | <@jerith> | RichyB: I use virtualenv. |
| 20:59 | <@jerith> | And I don't think dependencies are bad. I think /unnecessary/ deps are bad. |
| 20:59 | <@jerith> | I'm using enough of networkx now that I'm unlikely to drop it. |
| 21:00 | <@jerith> | Dependencies that require C extensions are painful. |
| 21:00 | < RichyB> | networkx uses C extensions? That explains a few things. |
| 21:00 | <@jerith> | It doesn't. |
| 21:00 | <@jerith> | Which is why I'm using it. |
| 21:01 | < RichyB> | Ah, right. |
| 21:01 | < Vornucopia> | God I love cross product |
| 21:01 | < Vornucopia> | Just, so damn sexy. |
| 21:01 | <@jerith> | I wrote the bit in the readme about dropping it before I used it as much as I now do. |
| 21:01 | <@jerith> | RichyB: Are you actually using depixel for anything? |
| 21:02 | < RichyB> | Just playing with it. |
| 21:03 | < RichyB> | jerith, how large an image can you throw through it? Seems to take forever for me with a 216x5 pixel image. |
| 21:03 | < RichyB> | (or a few seconds with a 80x5 image) |
| 21:04 | <@jerith> | I've used enough stuff that pulls in PIL to load a PNG or requires some broken old SOAP library in case you turn on the SOAP API that I'm careful about the deps my code has. |
| 21:04 | <@jerith> | RichyB: I'm using images about the size of the ones in the test module. |
| 21:04 | <@jerith> | I'm going with "make it work, then make it fast". |
| 21:05 | <@jerith> | (That's another reason I was considering dropping networkx, though. It does a lot of stuff I don't need, so some more specialised tools could probably help with performance.) |
| 21:06 | < RichyB> | Oh hey whoa there, don't think that PIL is representative of the general state of eggs-that-use-C. |
| 21:06 | <@jerith> | RichyB: I know. |
| 21:07 | < RichyB> | FWIW, the Plone community have a version of PIL that's actually usable up on http://dist.plone.org/ |
| 21:07 | <@jerith> | But I don't want to have to install dev headers for a bunch of stuff before I can install things. |
| 21:07 | <@jerith> | Also, PIL is pretty much broken on OSX. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | That sounds very likely. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | OS X support is surprisingly rocky given the proportion of people wielding Macbooks at Python conferences. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | (not just for PIL, I mean in general) |
| 21:09 | <@jerith> | PIL and MySQL are the only two things I've had real issues with. |
| 21:09 | < RichyB> | Historically we've had issues with lxml. |
| 21:10 | <@jerith> | Isn't the C bit of that optional? |
| 21:11 | <@jerith> | Merged. Thanks. You're awesome. |
| 21:11 | <@jerith> | By the way, I've mostly got the smoothing working now. |
| 21:12 | <@jerith> | Uncommitted, because it was horribly broken until recently and I haven't had time to fix the details once Vorn helped me find the horrible brokenness. |
| 21:12 | < Vornucopia> | Whee, gimbal |
| 21:12 | < Vornucopia> | er, gimbal lock |
| 21:12 | <@jerith> | I'll get to that in the next day or two, I hope. |
| 21:12 | < RichyB> | You're welcome. Thanks for writing this. I plan to wave it under my boss's nose at some point in order to make him go "eeeee" a bit. :) |
| 21:12 | < RichyB> | jerith, oh yeah, I should've said something when I hit "git push" the second time, oops. |
| 21:13 | < RichyB> | Instead of just waiting for you to refresh github. ¬_¬ |
| 21:13 | <@jerith> | No worries. I was obsessively hitting refresh on the PR. |
| 21:14 | < RichyB> | Does pyflakes do PEP8 checking? |
| 21:15 | < RichyB> | Aww, separate tools. Oh well. |
| 21:16 | <@jerith> | Separate tools. |
| 21:16 | < RichyB> | There should be a "clippy" thing in Emacs. |
| 21:16 | < RichyB> | and vim. |
| 21:16 | <@jerith> | flymake |
| 21:16 | <@jerith> | (In emacs.) |
| 21:16 | < RichyB> | "I see you've just opened up a Python project there. Click here to apt-get install pep8 or angry bears will eat your face." |
| 21:16 | <@jerith> | If you have a look at my emacs repo, there's some stuff to set up flymake with pep8 and pyflakes for Python buffers. |
| 21:17 | < RichyB> | Yoink! :) |
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| 21:42 | < Vornucopia> | How Sexy Is Cross Product: what's the normal vector of a great circle through two points? a x b. the intersection of two great circles, given their normals? a x b. the normal vector of a great circle that goes halfway between two points? (a + b) x (a x b) |
| 21:44 | < Vornucopia> | Sexy, with sexy sauce. |
| 21:45 | < RichyB> | Pity it's only defined in (IIRC) two vector spaces. :/ |
| 21:45 | < Vornucopia> | Well, yes, but I'm doing this on a sphere. |
| 21:45 | < Vornucopia> | And you can fake it with the matrix analogue in any space. |
| 21:46 | < RichyB> | Vornicus, oh that's interesting. |
| 21:46 | < Vornucopia> | In every space that will give you a perpendicular. |
| 21:46 | < Vornucopia> | You'll need, um, dimension - 1 vectors to start with though! |
| 21:46 | < RichyB> | My mathematical knowledge is shockingly incomplete, I'll take every tidbit of information I can understand. :) |
| 21:47 | <@jerith> | Vornucopia: I see you're eschewing Euclidean geometries in favour of strange angles. ^.^ |
| 21:48 | < Vornucopia> | <3 Spheres |
| 21:48 | < Vornucopia> | They have a ...music... to them. :P |
| 21:49 | < Vornucopia> | Anyway, time to go to work. |
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| 23:04 | <@himi> | I frequently wish I'd stuck it out with maths at Uni |
| 23:04 | <@himi> | And physics |
| 23:04 | <@himi> | They both have a beautiful elegance |
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