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00:15 | <@Ling> | http://i43.tinypic.com/30j0gvp.png |
00:16 | <@Tamber> | Hehehe |
00:16 | <@Ling> | That's just awesome |
00:16 | <@Tamber> | Indeed. |
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00:28 | < maoranma> | elite? |
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01:28 | < maoranma> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQywX4uGIfw&feature=autoplay&list=PLEA1FEF17E1E5C 0DA&lf=plpp_video&playnext=5 |
01:28 | < maoranma> | LOL |
01:28 | < maoranma> | What do I want to do to yourface |
01:28 | < maoranma> | Well, I want to punch it |
01:28 | < maoranma> | So yourface.punch() |
01:29 | < Thalass> | heh |
01:33 | < gnolam> | Ye gods. Programming /video/ tutorials? |
01:33 | < gnolam> | "For when you just have too much time on your hands"? |
01:33 | <@Ling> | Yeah... I've seen people bitch about them not being available for certain things |
01:34 | <@Ling> | It made me go "WTF" |
01:37 | < maoranma> | The guy SOUNDS like he shouldn't be teaching programming |
01:41 | < Thalass> | I've avoided them so far. |
01:42 | <~Vornicus> | okay, de Boor's algorithm. Let's do this. |
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01:54 | < maoranma> | So, youtube python tutorials have taught me that object.replace() is only good for dating websites |
01:55 | < maoranma> | yaylawjic |
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02:18 | <~Vornicus> | whut |
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03:35 | <@Kindamoody> | Anyone here good with php? I'm trying to make a script that uploads a file to a server, but it's not working. |
03:35 | <@Ling> | Yes |
03:35 | <@Kindamoody> | It works fine on the localhost. |
03:35 | <@Kindamoody> | The folder permission is 777, so that's not it. |
03:37 | <@Ling> | Ugh, shouldn't be 777, but what ever. (Set the group and user correctly instead) |
03:37 | < Thalass> | heh |
03:38 | <@Kindamoody> | Eh? That's probably the problem, then. |
03:38 | <@Ling> | Not, that's just a security issue |
03:38 | <@Kindamoody> | I just set the permission to max during testing. |
03:40 | <@Kindamoody> | I don't know how to set the group and user. o_o |
03:41 | <&Derakon> | chmod for changing permissions, chown for changing ownership. |
03:41 | <@Kindamoody> | Oh. I recall that now. I had some problems with that before. |
03:42 | <@Kindamoody> | But would it prevent me from uploading? |
03:42 | <@Kindamoody> | I mean, if the permissions are rwx? |
03:42 | <@Ling> | No |
03:42 | <@Ling> | Just paste the error or code already |
03:44 | <@Kindamoody> | if(move_uploaded_file($_FILES['uploadedfile']['tmp_name'], $target_path)) |
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03:52 | <@Kindamoody> | Eh. Sorry, it seems like I just made some silly typo somewhere. I just found a script that does upload. -_- |
03:53 | <@Kindamoody> | I'll check what the difference is. |
04:02 | <@Kindamoody> | Oh no... it was a super silly mistake... I was picking files from a directory with 5 files, and I managed to test with the 2 files that were too large. -_- |
04:03 | | * Kindamoody facedesks, hard. |
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06:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh I did not think this architectural change through. |
06:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Cocks. |
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06:56 | | * jerith hands ToxicFrog a cock. |
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10:20 | < gnolam> | http://abstrusegoose.com/387 |
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12:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gnolam: augh, I'm in that world right now |
12:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Found myself trying to debug a linked list gdb. Thought to myself "typing out foo->next_shared->next_shared->next_shared" is stupid. There's got to be a simple gui that'll just display them for me. Closest I've found is DDD.. kill me now. |
12:57 | <@TheWatcher> | abort() and manually examine the core dump in a hex editor~ |
12:57 | | * TheWatcher flrrd |
12:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It would almost be quicker :P |
13:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | aaaand I realized what I did wrong |
13:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | After I manually printed out all the pointers, then copied them into a text editor, and arranged them properly, so I'd have a before picture.. faced with having to do that again for the after.. |
13:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | .. still failed. Damnit. |
13:29 | <@TheWatcher> | .... godsdamnit, I'm going to have to write a DTD for this |
13:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Anybody know an IDE on linux with a half-decent gdb frontend? |
13:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (just tried anjuta again, it's been a few years.. and it segfaulted.) |
13:33 | <@Ling> | code::blocks? |
13:33 | | * Ling doesn't use IDEs, just stating an IDE he knows |
13:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | All I want is the debugger |
13:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | but the only freestanding one I came across was DDD.. |
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13:36 | < Rhamphoryncus> | installed codeblocks.... best.. startup tip.. ever |
13:40 | <@Ling> | Which was? |
13:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | "You can turn this startup tip shit off!" |
13:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and I crashed code::blocks too |
13:41 | <@Ling> | Buggy lib? |
13:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | No, it really doesn't like debugging something without first jumping through the "create project" hoops |
13:42 | <@Ling> | :/ |
13:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And since this is an existing project I didn't write, with their own build system (configure and make are the only parts I've touched), replacing that all is insane |
13:44 | <@Ling> | Time to learn GDB yourself |
13:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I *use* gdb |
13:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But the labour of debugging a linked list is stupid |
13:45 | <@jerith> | Rhamphoryncus: expect! |
13:45 | <@jerith> | (Not that I think gdb can be usefully scripted like that.) |
13:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | .. damnit, I thought you meant "expect" was an IDE :P |
13:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gdb actually has a builtin scripting language |
13:46 | <@jerith> | It can be, if you write enough of it... |
13:48 | < Rhamphoryncus> | eclipse OOM's on startup |
13:49 | <@Ling> | gg |
13:59 | | * TheWatcher eyes the w3c website |
14:00 | <@TheWatcher> | ... I think this thing hates me. When I actually need to get at things fast, it takes its sweet time over responding |
14:07 | < Rhamphoryncus> | kdevelop has an option for opening a binary and running it in gdb. And I got it to run. However, it tells gdb to quit only a second or two after the crash |
14:07 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (and the breakpoint hasn't done anything observable yet) |
14:10 | <@TheWatcher> | DTDs: 0, TW: 1. |
14:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rhamphoryncus: what's wrong with using gdb directly? |
14:15 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ToxicFrog: debugging a linked list by hand in gdb is stupid |
14:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Might at least tell you why it's not debugging properly in kdevelop. |
14:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or you could use DDD. |
14:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or you could accept the fact that it'll still be faster than trying every IDE under the sun. |
14:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | No, it does run in gdb |
14:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And I did try DDD. You're a bad person for suggesting it :P |
14:17 | <~Vornicus> | (king DDD?) |
14:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I've never actually used ddd, I just know it exists) |
14:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: ok, if there's ever a KDE frontend to gdb it needs to be named 'kddd' and use Dedede as its icon. |
14:19 | <~Vornicus> | :D |
14:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | .. actually, although kdevelop didn't work, googling it found a page that basically said "and we now have our own built-in debugger, so you don't have to use the freestanding kdbg!" ... and kdbg is working |
14:19 | | * TheWatcher actually /likes/ ddd, but hey |
14:19 | <@Namegduf> | http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2012/02/02/gov-uk-truly-open-platform/ <- I have to admit- I'm impressed. |
14:19 | <@Namegduf> | "He submitted a pull request (ie he downloaded the code for that particular page from our open source code repository). He then corrected the code and uploaded the changes to GitHub. After careful testing and checks, we have now included his contribution into the GOV.UK code and the change will appear on the site soon." |
14:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | TheWatcher: the screenshot I first looked at okay. Objects displayed with arrows between them showing the links |
14:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It took me an hour to get that to show up, and this are big objects (50 attributes), so it's quite painful |
14:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And the links I did end up with were non-sensical |
14:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | s/this/these/ |
14:21 | <@TheWatcher> | ... you double-click on the head pointer, and then double-click on the pointers from there. |
14:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Never worked |
14:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I had to enter an expression to get it to display anything |
14:23 | <@TheWatcher> | Then you have a borken install then, because that's worked for me across dozens of versions on three operating systems |
14:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | double clicking, right clicking, middle clicking, ctrl-clicking, shift-clicking, click-and-hold, etc |
14:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | iirc, double-clicking would hide one attribute |
14:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | If I tried scrolling (and I had to to see one object) it'd go an entire page for every click, and flash it white to black again |
14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, that's not normal at all |
14:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The black was because it liked to select the object |
14:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and when you scrolled it'd first render it unselected, then render overtop in black.. in a slow fashion |
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15:53 | <~Vornicus> | ok, for serious this time, de Boor's algorithm. |
15:58 | | * TheWatcher eyes javascript, his brain |
15:58 | | * Vornicus gives TW a fresh brain. |
16:00 | <@TheWatcher> | I think I'm either being very dumb, or this is fucking with me: foo = "I think being"; bar = "I think I am"; wibble = foo > bar; wibble is set to true. |
16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | b sorts before I in ASCII. |
16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | > return "b" > "I" |
16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | true |
16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | > return string.byte("bI", 1, 2) |
16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | 9873 |
16:01 | <@TheWatcher> | ... right, I should have thought of that |
16:03 | <~Vornicus> | If you want to sort strings, use an actual string sorting function, which you probably need to get from locale. |
16:07 | | * TheWatcher eyes the javascript string reference |
16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | it compiles! It compiles! |
16:14 | <@TheWatcher> | There, all fixed. |
16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Actually, it runs without crashing :P |
16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It helped to realize that what I actually needed was to rotate 3 points |
16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | pointers |
16:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Of course my brain still refuses to visualize it, but I can verify that the result is correct |
16:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Also, there's only so many ways to do a 3-way swap |
16:17 | < maoranma> | WHAT IS UP MY CHANNIES?! |
16:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | maoranma: it compiles :P |
16:18 | < maoranma> | Woot! |
16:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | god damnit. Crashed again. |
16:20 | < maoranma> | !tooW |
16:20 | < maoranma> | Okay, now I've reversed time |
16:20 | < maoranma> | So now... |
16:20 | < maoranma> | Awww! |
16:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hey, reversing time is what I'm doing! |
16:22 | < maoranma> | Oh it's easy. They call it the arrow of time, right? |
16:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I'm patching openttd to swap the timetables of vehicles w hen one overtakes another. One goes forward, another goes back. |
16:23 | < maoranma> | All you need is a really sharp arrow to fire backwards at it, and it splits in twain, opening up a temporial vortex |
16:23 | < maoranma> | Ooh |
16:23 | < maoranma> | Why exactly? |
16:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 'cuz the timetabling in it sucks |
16:25 | <~Vornicus> | What I've always wanted is "leave when a clone of you arrives" |
16:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Vornicus: with a good interface that'd be trivial |
16:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Also, I hate the rating system that makes you always want that |
16:25 | <~Vornicus> | And trying to do that with manual timetabling was pretty well impossible. |
16:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Swapping is just the first step of what I'm doing. It means if one breaks down and the one behind it overtakes they'll deal with it |
16:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | After I'm going to design some sort of GUI for controlling their spacing |
16:28 | <~Vornicus> | DId they ever manage passengers with destinations? |
16:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The most popular patch is cargodist but there's nothing in the core |
16:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | cargodist decides where to go after your route is set up. There's another patch where they decide before (and this dictates where you need to make your routes); I haven't tried it yet. |
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16:33 | <~Vornicus> | RRT3 has this bit where passengers and mail don't get placed on the map until there's a route for them to get to their destination; it makes it so as you build your system it has to become more robust because the traffic gets higher quadratically against the numbero of cities you connect. |
16:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So they're predetermined, but it doesn't tell you until you're connected? |
16:34 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah. |
16:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The latter patch is supposedly like that, but not hidden. They'll only go on a route that takes them to their destination. |
16:35 | < RichardBarrell> | Vornicus: sounds off. Real mail growth is more like n*log(n). :) |
16:35 | <~Vornicus> | Heh. :P |
16:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So.. what happens when your 3-way rotate is given two arguments that are the same? |
16:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Bad things apparently |
16:51 | < RichardBarrell> | Depends what std::swap(a, a) does? :) |
16:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That's perfectly safe |
16:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It's just a = a |
16:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But 3-way ends up being something like t = a; a = b; b = a; a = t; |
16:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Which doesn't *sound* bad, but we're talking a linked list here. Each object now points to itself. |
17:08 | <~Vornicus> | Is this three arbitrary items in the linked list? |
17:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 3 adjacent items, two of which get swapped |
17:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | the previous pointer includes the object on one side, the next pointer includes the object on the other |
17:09 | <~Vornicus> | Okay so you have a->b->c and you want it to become... a->c->b? |
17:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The overall structure is more like a->b->c->d->a, which becomes a->c->b->d->a |
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17:31 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I love how I can type the same name twice on one line and screw the second one up |
17:33 | <~Vornicus> | One better: I have typed the same thing twice on the same line and screwed them both up in different ways. |
17:37 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh |
17:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | See, this channel is way better than #openttd. They rarely comment on anything I say there |
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17:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Oooh nice, infinite loop |
17:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Today is programming bingo day ;) |
17:48 | <~Vornicus> | Got off-by-one yet? :) |
17:49 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Haven't touched any arrays |
17:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | the infinite loop was pretty good though. Code was basically "if (foo) { if (bar) { ... } }". I added a "for (;;)" around it and stuck an "else { break; }".. but only on the middle branch. |
17:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Fixing is trivial, but I had to decide what'd be least ugly, since both if's were long to begin with |
17:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | This amuses me more than it should. 3 buses at 24 km/h, for which the timetable was designed, and 1 at 16 km/h. The latter is always late and regularly overtaken, to which I keep responding "ha ha, now you are late and I am on time!" |
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19:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Welp, that's one way to start a reboot |
19:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Just heard a pop (which was probably the speakers) and it went off |
20:44 | < gnolam> | ... how the hell is this Belgian spam coming through gmail's spam filter? And why the hell are Belgians spamming me? |
20:45 | < gnolam> | Rhamphoryncus: power fluctuation |
20:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I assume so. I didn't notice anything else, but the only thing I would notice is the dishwasher.. which is a crappy old thing and more likely to cause it than be affected by it |
20:46 | < gnolam> | I'm already boycotting the entire country. You have nothing to gain here, spammers. >:E |
20:57 | <~Vornicus> | what did belgium do to you in the first place? |
21:08 | < gnolam> | Exist. |
21:09 | <&McMartin> | ObAddams: I can't believe we're using filthy words like "Belgium" in a place like this |
21:13 | <~Vornicus> | (one d) |
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21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | :php: |
21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://thexploit.com/secdev/critical-php-remote-vulnerability-introduced-in-fix- for-php-hashtable-collision-dos/ |
21:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | (in short: DOS vulnerability discovered in PHP hash table implementation; update released that tries to fix this badly and in so doing introduces a new, worse vulnerability) |
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21:44 | <@Tamber> | ...so about par for the course for the PHP folk, then? |
21:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | I wasn't going to say it, but I was thinking it~ |
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22:39 | | * Vornicus tries to figure out what the php emote looks like, gets... nothing sensible. |
22:39 | <@Tamber> | Probably something pulling a 'WTF?!' face. |
22:40 | <~Vornicus> | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/041/343/index.php20110724-22047 -58b7hk.png This is it, clearly |
22:40 | <@Tamber> | hee |
22:52 | <~Vornicus> | There. Okay, now to run this thing through its paces. |
22:54 | < maoranma> | lol at php |
22:54 | < maoranma> | Might as well put the login info at the bottom of the index for what PHP is worth |
22:59 | <&McMartin> | I'm also still kind of boggled that people still use handles like @i0n1c. |
23:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm not at all, for two reasons |
23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | - a lot of people probably chose their handles Back In The Day and don't want to change them |
23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | - seriously, have you played any multiplayer game |
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23:06 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, but I made mine more dignified when I grew up and recycled one of my, uh, three or four handles back in my HS days |
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23:06 | <@Tamber> | I have successfully forgotten the worst of my handles from back in the day. |
23:07 | <@Tamber> | It has gotten to the point where I'll see it and go "Who's that fuckwi... ...shit, that was me." |
23:08 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
23:08 | <&McMartin> | By the time I was Internet-visible I was McMartin. |
23:08 | | * McMartin geezes, shakes cane |
23:08 | <@Tamber> | Hee |
23:08 | <&McMartin> | But the "Bromide" identity comes from the original HGBR identity, which was four random letters and about fourteen interpretations |
23:08 | | * Vornicus was internet visible as a random silly (but still, somehow, without any numbers in it) AOL name. |
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23:11 | < RichardBarrell> | I can't actually remember the oldest handle I ever used. |
23:11 | < RichardBarrell> | I think it might have been "RichyB". |
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23:12 | | * Vornicus was then Vorn the Unspeakable (and still is in some places, and then just Vorn, and now Vornicus. |
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23:12 | <&McMartin> | There was an UnsqueakableVorn version as well. |
23:12 | <~Vornicus> | Indeed, but briefly. |
23:13 | <@Tamber> | Well oiled? |
23:13 | < RichyB> | Heh, I like that one. :) |
23:13 | | * Vornicus remains unsqueaked. |
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23:34 | < maoranma> | I was UltimateBane/ultrabane with various cases for a while |
23:35 | < maoranma> | Then I settled on Noah on this network for a long while, with prods by Mezzler to use things like Gnowah, etc |
23:36 | < maoranma> | Then I was andonmao for a short while, then switched finally to maoranma |
23:36 | < maoranma> | Mao Ranma, mao42ranma, maoranma |
23:37 | < maoranma> | Except on Steam, where my community id is maoranma, but my nick will often vary which is the norm for Steam, though my account uses one of my older names |
23:37 | | * McMartin is [<3]Bromide on Steam. |
23:37 | <&McMartin> | Because [<3] is the finest of group tags. |
23:39 | < maoranma> | Bromide is a chemical, isn't it? |
23:39 | <&McMartin> | It's an element, yeah. |
23:39 | < maoranma> | There are nine of you |
23:39 | <&McMartin> | One of the misreadings of the random-character handle from HS was as a chemical formula. |
23:40 | <&McMartin> | Bromine is the elemnt. |
23:40 | <&McMartin> | I started naming the systems after halogens at about the same time. |
23:40 | <&McMartin> | The gaming machine got named Astatine because as a gaming machine it would have a useful half-life of 3.8 hours~ |
23:41 | <~Vornicus> | ...derp, plain numbers do not respond to len |
23:42 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
23:42 | | * Vornicus rejiggers his code so that using plain numbers in his splines actually works. |
23:42 | < maoranma> | Sent you an invite, when you eventually log on. I'll be Lernu Ludi (Learn to play in esperanto) |
23:43 | < celticminstrel> | I've never nick-changed on Steam. :P |
23:43 | < maoranma> | I do it when the mood suits me |
23:48 | <@Alek> | omegaboot is my steam. |
23:48 | <@Alek> | and the internet name I originally quickly settled on. |
23:49 | <@Alek> | after a brief digression into an unstable variant when opening my first webmail, it quickly simplified to this for further webmails and other internet presences, such as fora and games. |
23:50 | <@Alek> | except for a very few presences that I've forgotten already, and some more recent ones that needed different formats, or a more mature name. >_> |
23:50 | <@Namegduf> | Always either "Namegduf" or "JBeshir" |
23:51 | <@Namegduf> | The latter being my real name; but it works nicely as a nick. |
23:51 | <~Vornicus> | FUUDGEMAAAAN |
23:51 | <@Namegduf> | Yes. |
23:52 | <@Alek> | that's got interesting implications, mind. XD |
23:52 | <@Namegduf> | Psh to you. |
23:53 | <@Namegduf> | Fudge is delicious. |
23:55 | < maoranma> | Ew |
23:55 | < maoranma> | Anyway, I'll invite you too Alek |
23:56 | < maoranma> | Nice, single hit |
23:56 | < maoranma> | Ew, Gaia avatar, lol |
23:56 | <@Alek> | lol. |
23:56 | <@Alek> | tektek, somewhat modded. XD |
23:57 | <@Alek> | one of my fora was going through a tektek phase couple years back. I participated. |
23:57 | <@Alek> | McM knows the one. |
23:57 | <@Alek> | so does Vorn. |
23:57 | <@Alek> | and, oh, about half the others here, at least. XD |
23:57 | < maoranma> | Good lord you're ALL Gaia-fags? |
23:57 | <@Alek> | not Gaia. |
23:57 | < maoranma> | Oh phew |
23:57 | <@Alek> | just the tektek tool was handy. >_> |
23:58 | <@Alek> | what I meant was, many of us are from the same forum. |
23:58 | <@Alek> | not all of us participated in that phase, only the ones more active at that time. |
23:58 | <@Alek> | which not all of the ones here were, at the time. |
23:59 | <@Alek> | if you know what I mean. XD |
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