| --- Log opened Fri Jan 13 00:00:08 2012 |
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| 09:09 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 10:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Signs that I'm having 'fun': I have both the camel book and owl book on my desk >.> |
| 10:43 | <@Tamber> | This is the kind of fun that involves horrors from The Beyond, isn't it? |
| 10:44 | <&McMartin> Which one is the owl book again? |
| 10:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Mastering Regular Expressions |
| 10:44 | <&McMartin> /everybody stand back/ |
| 10:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Hee |
| 10:46 | <@Tamber> | Mastering Regular Expressions or How To Give Everyone In Your Office Instant Headaches When Someone Opens Your Code |
| 10:50 | <@Tamber> | (But all of that wouldn't fit on the cover.) |
| 10:53 | < Stalker> | Unless you use the wrong kind of keming? |
| 10:53 | <@Tamber> | The kind that makes people cry blood and speak in tongues that mere mortals should not be able to, yes. |
| 10:55 | <@Tamber> | (That's \usepackage[eyebleed]{greatOldOnes}, in LaTeX.) |
| 10:56 | <@Tamber> | Or something like that. It's hard to recall exactly when your brain starts leaking out of your ears. |
| 10:57 | <@TheWatcher> | earcorks, m'boy. |
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| 13:14 | < gnolam> | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2491 |
| 15:51 | <@iospace> | running testing scripts is like watchign paint dry |
| 16:06 | < Tarinaky> | iospace: Paint dry is worse. |
| 16:06 | < Tarinaky> | *Watching paint dry |
| 16:07 | <@iospace> | Tarinaky: these are scripts that are failing for the dumbest reasons >_< |
| 16:07 | < Tarinaky> | Then it's not at all like paint drying. |
| 16:07 | < Tarinaky> | Have you ever seen paint fail to dry? |
| 16:07 | < Tarinaky> | Failure: Could not dry, missing paint on plank #3 |
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| 19:21 | <@iospace> | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-H7CJHitjfeY/TxB_e7gaDfI/AAAAAAAAAig/sALBnCllV 1U/h0/Screen%2BShot%2B2012-01-13%2Bat%2B10.40.19%2BAM.png |
| 19:22 | <@Tamber> | hehehe |
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| 20:01 | | * Vornicus pokes at cython. |
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| 20:08 | <~Vornicus> It would kind of help if I had an actual compiler on here. |
| 20:22 | < maoranma> | Cython? |
| 20:24 | <~Vornicus> Cython: a thing that turns python code into c code. |
| 20:24 | < maoranma> | Ah, mi vidas. |
| 20:24 | < maoranma> | Does it work well? |
| 20:24 | < maoranma> | Or do you know yet? |
| 20:25 | <~Vornicus> I don't know yet personally, but Der's apparently gotten good results off it. |
| 20:25 | < maoranma> | I'm sure it's horribly unoptimized, but could be good for converting a quick app, like a command line one or something |
| 20:26 | <~Vornicus> I don't know what the code that comes out of it looks like yet |
| 20:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | maoranma: actually it's mainly intended as a performance tool, not a distribution one. |
| 20:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, performance, and easier interfacing with C modules from Python. |
| 20:26 | < maoranma> | Ah |
| 20:27 | < maoranma> | What do you recommend for creating GUIs in Python, GTK? |
| 20:27 | <~Vornicus> Qt |
| 20:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | That or Qt, yeah. |
| 20:28 | < maoranma> | Hmm, can I do openGL things in Python? |
| 20:28 | <~Vornicus> pyOpenGL |
| 20:28 | < maoranma> | I had an idea for an isometric type game. |
| 20:29 | < maoranma> | Figured if I'm going to be learning python in school, might as well experiment with it |
| 20:29 | < maoranma> | OpenRPG runs in Python doesn't it? Haven't used it in a while |
| 20:29 | <@Namegduf> | Yep. |
| 20:37 | | * Vornicus has gone ADD again. |
| 20:38 | < maoranma> | Vornicus: Bona, lernu Esperanton anka?. |
| 20:39 | <~Vornicus> ...why the fuck would I want to learn esperanto? I'm still working on spanish. |
| 20:41 | < maoranma> | Uh... pero espanola es stupido? |
| 20:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | maoranma: you can, but if you don't actually need 3d you might as well use pygame or similar |
| 20:42 | < maoranma> | Hmm, does that run on openGL libraries? |
| 20:42 | <~Vornicus> Pygame is SDL. |
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| 20:42 | < maoranma> | Oh, that's fine too then |
| 20:42 | | * Janus likes cats too |
| 20:43 | <~Vornicus> yay, cats |
| 20:43 | < maoranma> | I don't know if I'd need actual 3D, I was thinking 2D with 3D effects, sort of like those in Symphony of the Night |
| 20:43 | < maoranma> | Jes, notepad++ en Esperanto |
| 20:44 | <~Vornicus> You'll probably want openGL anyway; isometric stuff gets a lot of advantages from 3d |
| 20:45 | < maoranma> | Indeed |
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| 23:35 | | * Tamber stares at the smouldering remains of gdb, headshakes sadly. |
| 23:35 | <@Tamber> | Look, you're a /debugger/, you're not supposed to catch fire and dump core over the application I'm trying to debug getting a SEGV, damnit. |
| 23:36 | <@TheWatcher> | ... that's pretty impressive |
| 23:36 | <@Tamber> | Backtraces are predictably useless until I go and rebuild the world with FEATURES="nostrip" |
| 23:36 | <@Tamber> | http://pastebin.furryhelix.co.uk/post/90 |
| 23:37 | <@Tamber> | (To be fair, I should have built the world with nostrip /anyway/. |
| 23:37 | <@Tamber> | ) |
| 23:39 | <&McMartin> Gentoo's "build the world with all the optimizations the rest of the world is holding out on you on" turns out to be "learn why everyone else disables those optimizations" much of the time. |
| 23:39 | <@Tamber> | Heh. |
| 23:39 | <@Tamber> | You'd have a point if it was anything to do with riced options. |
| 23:40 | <&McMartin> I kinda consider "strip debugging symbols" to count as ricing these days, but that may be just me |
| 23:40 | <&McMartin> Well |
| 23:40 | <@Tamber> | So running strip on everything is ricing? |
| 23:40 | <&McMartin> Actually, my ideal world is "standalone debugging files you can haul in after the fact" |
| 23:41 | <&McMartin> So you ship the "stripped" version but you can force other people's backtraces to make sense |
| 23:44 | <@Ling> | That'd be cool |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> It does more or less require you to ship binaries, though |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> (This is what MSVS does by default, and while it's not as useful for Linux, since that's always source distros, I'd *really* like to be able to do this for Mac builds) |
| 23:46 | <&McMartin> Though come to think of it, while Mac builds are gcc-made, they also aren't ELF binaries |
| 23:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Tamber: what is it you're breaking, anyway? |
| 23:47 | <@TheWatcher> | other than gdb |
| 23:47 | <@Tamber> | I'm just futzing about with writing a little code to generate a maze. |
| 23:47 | <@Tamber> | (And then print instructions on how to build that in minecraft~) |
| 23:51 | < celticminstrel> | What is "the world" here? |
| 23:51 | <@Tamber> | All the packages that make up the system. |
| 23:52 | < celticminstrel> | The operating system, or some other system? |
| 23:52 | <@TheWatcher> | The OS |
| 23:52 | <@TheWatcher> | "world" is gentoo's 'currently installed packages' list, basically. |
| 23:53 | <@TheWatcher> | (nb: not /exactly/ true, as it's possible for packages to appear in 'system' but not in 'world' in some situations, but for a first approximation it's close enough) |
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