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| 01:22 | | * macdjord once again pokes about for anyone who knows batch scripting. |
| 01:23 | <~Vornicus> Just Ask The Question |
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| 01:25 | < macdjord> | Need a batch script that will create a folder named YYYY-MM-DD-## based on the date, where ## is the smallest nonnegative integer such that no such folder already exists, then copy two files from another, fixed location. |
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| 01:31 | < gnolam> | To get the current date, use date /t. |
| 01:32 | < gnolam> | To see if a directory exists, "IF EXIST foo". |
| 01:33 | < macdjord> | gnolam: In what format does 'date /t' return the date? And how do I convert it to 'YYYY-MM-DD'? |
| 01:33 | < gnolam> | The rest... I don't remember. Haven't really used batch files since the DOS days. |
| 01:34 | < gnolam> | Dunno. |
| 01:34 | < gnolam> | I always use YYYY-MM-DD, so... :P |
| 01:34 | < gnolam> | (Like any sane person would) |
| 01:35 | < macdjord> | Same. |
| 01:35 | < gnolam> | Does it /really/ have to be a batch file, though? |
| 01:37 | < macdjord> | Well, I'm on Windows. I'd prefer to use the native scripting option. I could do it myself in Python, but the currently-installed interperator doesn't seem to like executing .py files using 'Open with'. |
| 01:39 | <@Derakon> | C:\Python27\Python.exe script.py |
| 01:41 | < macdjord> | Derakon: No C:\Python* folder. |
| 01:43 | <~Vornicus> Where's python installed then? |
| 01:44 | | * macdjord checks |
| 01:44 | < macdjord> | C:\Program Files\Python26 |
| 01:47 | <~Vornicus> okay, so "C:\Program Files\Python26\python.exe script.py |
| 01:54 | < celticminstrel> | macdjord: Just type date \t at the command-line to see how it returns it? |
| 01:57 | <@Alek> | well, you CAN echo the output of date /t to a file, then parse it to grab the 3 different variables and rearrange to taste. XD |
| 01:58 | <@Alek> | (it's apparently default DAY DD/MM/YYYY in w7) |
| 02:00 | < gnolam> | Then it's whatever your locale is. |
| 02:00 | | * gnolam slaps Alek for not using ISO 8601. |
| 02:01 | <@Alek> | wat |
| 02:01 | <@Alek> | don't blame me, that's the format w7 gave me D: |
| 02:02 | < gnolam> | Then forward that slap to whoever sets your national standards. |
| 02:02 | <@Alek> | lol |
| 02:02 | <@McMartin> | Does *any* nation actually use ISO 8601 as a standard? |
| 02:02 | < gnolam> | Yes. |
| 02:02 | <@Alek> | this. is. AMERICA! *kicks gnolam off the web* |
| 02:02 | <@McMartin> | Dude, America doesn't use DDMMYYYY either. |
| 02:02 | < gnolam> | (But you still deserve the slap, since unlike most Linux distros, setting a custom locale is easy.) |
| 02:02 | <@McMartin> | We use either MMDDYYYY or ISO 8601 |
| 02:02 | <@Alek> | hm. |
| 02:02 | < gnolam> | +in Windows |
| 02:02 | <@Alek> | wait. |
| 02:02 | | * Alek facepalms. |
| 02:03 | <@Alek> | I'm tired. |
| 02:03 | <@Alek> | you're right, it was DAY MM/DD/YYYY |
| 02:03 | <@McMartin> | You're making filenames here, idly, so you *want* ISO 8601 because that way it sorts properly. |
| 02:03 | | * Alek had a LONG day at work. |
| 02:04 | <@McMartin> | gnolam: Incidentally, I found my in-game chat for a Windows game wasn't working right the other day |
| 02:04 | <@McMartin> | I had somehow hit some hotkeys that had switched me to Greek QWERTY. -_- |
| 02:04 | <@McMartin> | That would be awesome if I knew how to do that *on purpose* |
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| 02:07 | < celticminstrel> | I keep doing that. |
| 02:07 | < celticminstrel> | Apparently Cmd-Space is a very easy combination to hit accidentally. |
| 02:08 | <@McMartin> | Is that what it is? |
| 02:08 | < celticminstrel> | On Mac, yes. |
| 02:08 | < celticminstrel> | I wish I could set a different key combination for switching keyboard layouts, but no, I have the choice of Cmd-Space, or nothing. |
| 02:09 | < celticminstrel> | ...wait. |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | I was on Windows here |
| 02:09 | < celticminstrel> | Apparently it does let me customize. o.O Why did I never think to look at the Keyboard preference pane!? |
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| 02:23 | <@Alek> | McM: on windows, it defaults to left alt-shift. |
| 02:23 | <@Alek> | but it will only switch between enabled layouts. why did you have a greek layout enabled? >_> |
| 02:24 | < celticminstrel> | Which is even stupider than Cmd-Space. |
| 02:24 | <@Alek> | eh, works for me. XD |
| 02:24 | < celticminstrel> | ...why wouldn't you have a Greek layout enabled? |
| 02:24 | <@Alek> | ?_? |
| 02:24 | < celticminstrel> | :P |
| 02:24 | | * Alek has Russian enabled on most of the PCs in the house. |
| 02:24 | <@McMartin> | Because I needed to test Unicode compliance |
| 02:24 | <@Alek> | ah. |
| 02:24 | <@Alek> | cool. |
| 02:24 | <@McMartin> | And because Greek is in fact QWERTY which means I can actually type things in it. |
| 02:25 | <@McMartin> | No diacriticals for quoting Homer or Plato, though. ;-) |
| 02:25 | | * Alek may enable greek and hebrew some time. just for the lulz. XD |
| 02:25 | < celticminstrel> | The two non-US layouts I use most are Greek and Japanese... not that that's saying much, since I use neither of them with any sort of frequency. |
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| 07:35 | | * Janus drew two ladies snogging. And my math teacher said I would never amount to anything... hah! |
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| 07:48 | <@Tarinaky> | Janus: If you'd paid attention in Maths you'd know bigger numbers than 2. |
| 07:49 | < Janus> | You don't need a number bigger than two in the /real/ world |
| 07:50 | <@Tarinaky> | What, you're going to tell me you wouldn't prefer more ladies with less clothes? |
| 07:52 | < Janus> | If I were a mathmatician though, more than two ladies would still confuse me, if only for another reason. |
| 07:54 | <@Tarinaky> | Nah |
| 07:54 | <@Tarinaky> | But the number of women would be complex |
| 07:54 | <@Tarinaky> | They'd have pi breasts each |
| 07:54 | <@Tarinaky> | And you'd obsess about making those breasts conform to the golden ratio. |
| 07:55 | < Janus> | If you use tau though, it's a simple matter of a turn each |
| 07:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh, and their legs are exponential. |
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| 09:24 | | * Janus finishes colouring the lady snogging. Which is sfw. ... actually snogging might be the wrong word |
| 09:25 | | * Janus shows the coding room. Because this is definitely the right room for this. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3108480/rightintheeye.png |
| 09:26 | <@Tamber> | :o |
| 09:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | Every room is the right room. That's what I've been saying all along. |
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| 09:34 | <@Tamber> | hehehe |
| 09:38 | < Janus> | *throws water bottle* Oh hi Mark. |
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| 11:34 | | * TheWatcher adds a configuration variable "Log:all_the_things" to this system |
| 11:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | :D |
| 11:35 | <@McMartin> | SUCCESS |
| 11:51 | < gnolam> | Heh |
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| 13:31 | | * Tamber vaguely beats File::Path::Collapse about the head. |
| 13:33 | <@Tamber> | " Returns - the collapsed path or undef if undef was passed as argument." What I /actually/ get is an array consisting of: a string containing what I expected, the collapsed path; two arrays containing the exact same data (the path, broken at each /) |
| 13:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, looking at the source, the seocn and third returned values are not quite the same depending on the stuff you feed in... but yeah, that's shit documentation right there |
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| 14:13 | < maoranma> | Oh goody, I found a USB autorun utility for Windows 7 |
| 14:16 | < ToxicFrog> | ...it does that already, though? |
| 14:16 | < maoranma> | Nope |
| 14:16 | < maoranma> | They removed it from Windows 7 |
| 14:16 | < maoranma> | You get autoplay, but if it's a USB device, it ignored OPEN or ACTION in the autorun.inf |
| 14:23 | | * Tamber steps through the time vortex and punches past self in the head for not documenting this code better. |
| 14:23 | <@Tamber> | ....Oh, wait... Now I remember why I didn't document this code better; I was interrupted by some idiot punching me in the head. |
| 14:25 | < maoranma> | Tamber: http://goo.gl/TrHgW |
| 14:31 | < gnolam> | Goatse? |
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| 15:06 | | * TheWatcher stabs adobe in the head |
| 15:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Fuckingshitflashcrapargh |
| 15:11 | < gnolam> | As a friend put it the other day, "Flash on Linux eats cycles like a fat kid eats potato chips". |
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| 15:55 | | * Tamber sighs, headdesks. <<Collapses the path by removing '.' and '..' from it. Trailing '/' is also removed.>> Nowhere does it say that, if I pass it a path like "/home/tamber/klomp/source/", the collapsed path will actually be "home" (Note, also, the lack of preceding slash.), not "/home/tamber/klomp/source" |
| 15:56 | <@Tamber> | I /think/ I see where that's coming from, but it really shouldn't. |
| 16:11 | <@TheWatcher> | ... I get the feeling you should be using File::Spec::canonpath() or rel2abs() |
| 16:12 | <@Tamber> | The only reason I was using it was so it would properly remove trailing separators without me having to bodge together my own little set of crap. |
| 16:13 | <@Tamber> | Which I'm going to have to do /anyway/, because this guy's a fucking idiot. |
| 16:13 | <@Tamber> | Why not 3 functions to return the different sets of info? Oh, wait, no, that would make too much sense. |
| 16:16 | < celticminstrel> | I have no idea what's going on here. |
| 16:17 | <@Tamber> | I'm using a module with a function to collapse paths, (So "a/path/../elsewhere/" would get munged to "a/elsewhere", etc.) for consistency. The guy who wrote this module, rather than having a function to return the stringified version of the collapsed path, split version of collapsed and split version of uncollapsed... just returns all three. |
| 16:18 | <@Tamber> | return($collapsed_path, \@uncollapsed_components, \@collapsed_components) ; |
| 16:18 | < ToxicFrog> | Ok, so |
| 16:18 | < ToxicFrog> | This is Perl, of "there's more than one way to do it" fame |
| 16:18 | <@Tamber> | "including the truly bizarre, because why not!" |
| 16:18 | < ToxicFrog> | Aren't there already like three or four builtin libraries that do this properly? |
| 16:18 | <@Tamber> | Not a clue. |
| 16:18 | <@Tamber> | This was the one I found. |
| 16:19 | <@Tamber> | (Note, I don't want to turn them into absolute paths at everywhere I'm using the collapse-path function.) |
| 16:20 | <@Tamber> | And I though that just slapping it with a regex would be clumsy and possibly cause problems in cases I didn't think of. (Reinventing the wheel, badly, etc.) |
| 16:21 | < gnolam> | Don't you mean "Now you have two problems, etc." |
| 16:21 | < gnolam> | +? |
| 16:21 | <@Tamber> | Silly me, I just thought "I know, someone will have solved this problem already! There'll be a library for it." |
| 16:22 | <@Tamber> | That too. |
| 16:22 | <@Tamber> | Sod it, I'll just use a regex. (*doom*) |
| 16:24 | <@Tamber> | (or file::spec->canonpath, if that does what I want without the bits I don't.) |
| 16:29 | <@Tamber> | Which it appears it does! Hooray. |
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| 18:37 | <@io> | i hate documentation |
| 18:37 | <@io> | more so after the fact -_- |
| 18:37 | <@jerith> | Documentation is like sex. |
| 18:37 | <@io> | ... |
| 18:37 | | * io eyes jerith |
| 18:37 | <@jerith> | When it's good, it's very good. When it's bad, it's still usually better than nothing. |
| 18:37 | <@io> | hun |
| 18:38 | <@io> | let me put it like this |
| 18:38 | | * jerith offers io some lube. |
| 18:38 | <@io> | "Ported this code and I don't undertand the comments either." |
| 18:38 | <@io> | that's not documentation |
| 18:39 | <@jerith> | You now know that the code was ported and that the comments are confusing. Win. |
| 18:39 | <@io> | ... |
| 18:39 | <@io> | -_- |
| 18:39 | | * io kicks jerith in the shins, pouts |
| 18:39 | <@Tamber> | Well, it is helpful in a way. |
| 18:40 | <@Tamber> | It tells you not to even /think/ of wasting time trying to understand the comments. |
| 18:41 | <@TheWatcher> | "Don't get suckered in by the comments - they can be terribly misleading. Debug only code." -- Dave Storer |
| 18:41 | <@jerith> | Indeed. |
| 18:41 | <@jerith> | Strive to write comments that explain why rather than what or how. |
| 18:42 | <@jerith> | Like so: |
| 18:42 | <@jerith> | if not self.is_sms(): |
| 18:42 | <@jerith> | # We have to do some trickery to get a suitable message here. |
| 18:42 | <@jerith> | sms_msg = msg.copy() |
| 18:42 | <@jerith> | sms_msg.variants['http'] = sms_msg.variants['default'] |
| 18:42 | <@jerith> | self.reply(sms_msg % voucher.data, |
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| 20:50 | <@Tarinaky> | http://i.imgur.com/MQ7e1.jpg << I feel like this a lot of the time. |
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| 21:31 | | * Vornicus should bet back to poking at his thingythingy |
| 21:31 | < gnolam> | You'll go blind if you keep that up. |
| 21:31 | <@Tamber> | *chuckle* |
| 21:32 | <~Vornicus> I should probably switch to light on dark at some point, honestly, but |
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| 21:55 | < ToxicFrog> | Halo: Reach up next, supposedly Cody is a death machine at this |
| 21:57 | <~Vornicus> Reminds me, I should play something haloish at some point |
| 21:57 | < ToxicFrog> | I haven't played the later ones, but I strongly disrecommend the original. |
| 21:57 | < ToxicFrog> | Although playing the very first level repeatedly on Legendary can be pretty fun~ |
| 22:00 | < gnolam> | Vornicus: you can safely skip it. |
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| 22:00 | <~Vornicus> Skip haloish stuff, or skip halo 1? |
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| 22:01 | < ToxicFrog> | (I wish I could recommend it, because FPSes that aren't grey-brown military simulators with boring guns are thin on the ground these days, but the level design is so amazingly bad that I really can't) |
| 22:02 | <~Vornicus> Does it have a spank ray? |
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| 22:04 | < ToxicFrog> | The SPNKr makes a return, yes. |
| 22:04 | <~Vornicus> :D |
| 22:04 | < ToxicFrog> | (also, unless you have a 360 there's no percentage in playing them anyways; the third game is 360 only) |
| 22:05 | <~Vornicus> (I do, but we're waiting for Vash's parents to finally get around to sending the cables, jeez) |
| 22:07 | < gnolam> | Halo 1 is the only one I've fully played through. |
| 22:07 | < gnolam> | But from what I've played of the others, there doesn't seem to be that big a difference between them. |
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| 23:29 | <@Alek> | Reach is also 360-only. |
| 23:29 | <@Alek> | I wonder if Anniversary redid the levels or if they're the same. >_> |
| 23:50 | <~Vornicus> Gnarg. It really doesn't help that I don't know the file format of the actual thing I'm working from. |
| 23:57 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: DROD? |
| 23:57 | <~Vornicus> Yeah. |
| 23:57 | <~Vornicus> They've got source, so I can go diving. |
| 23:58 | <~Vornicus> But right now my "get more data to try this on" method is "manually rewrite the data for a room with the features I want" |
| 23:59 | <@jerith> | Ah. |
| 23:59 | | * jerith is tempted to rewrite some of the libraries he's using. |
| 23:59 | <@jerith> | Specifically, bdflib is a pain to install. |
| --- Log closed Sat Jan 07 00:00:10 2012 |