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| 01:41 | < maoranma> | Okay, I have one for you |
| 01:42 | < maoranma> | Say I want to print from my laptop at school, but only the workstations have print access |
| 01:43 | < maoranma> | Is there a tool that'll allow me link my laptop to the workstation temporarily for printsharing, preferably as a portable app? |
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| 01:48 | < McMartin> | That would rock a variety of socks, but all the stuff I know of in that area involves sizable office level infrastructure |
| 01:48 | < McMartin> | ThinPrint, UniPrint, etc. |
| 01:48 | < McMartin> | It's probably easiest to print-to-PDF on the laptop and then print the PDF from the workstation. |
| 01:49 | < Tarinaky> | Every time someone emails themself a piece of work a kitten dies. |
| 01:49 | < McMartin> | Did I say to do that? |
| 01:49 | < maoranma> | McMartin: Then at that point I might as well just print the original document from the workstation instead |
| 01:50 | < maoranma> | Or use dropbox, which is what I have been doing |
| 01:50 | < Tarinaky> | No, but it usually ends up being the easiest intermediate step for "How do I get the pdf onto the workstation" |
| 01:50 | < McMartin> | maoranma: If the workstation has the apps to do it, I suppose so. |
| 01:50 | < maoranma> | It does |
| 01:50 | < Tarinaky> | Given most strong IT policies don't allow USB sticks. |
| 01:50 | < gnolam> | Tarinaky: pfft. SCP/SFTP. |
| 01:50 | < Derakon> | If it's the easiest step, then why shouldn't people use it? |
| 01:50 | < Tarinaky> | gnolam: Only if the client workstation has those tools |
| 01:50 | < maoranma> | Our workstations allow USB sticks |
| 01:50 | < McMartin> | Because it's powered by kitten mulching, apparently. |
| 01:50 | < Tarinaky> | And you have access to a -third- computer. |
| 01:50 | < maoranma> | We can run portable apps, but it is a school afterall |
| 01:51 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: I think we can all agree it's a pretty terrible solution. |
| 01:51 | < Tarinaky> | Regardless of whether it's the least terrible solution. |
| 01:51 | < Derakon> | Again, why? |
| 01:51 | < gnolam> | Tarinaky: err, no? |
| 01:51 | < Derakon> | It gets the job done. |
| 01:51 | < maoranma> | I wonder if I could write a mIRC script to do it |
| 01:51 | < Tarinaky> | Okay, fine >.> |
| 01:51 | < Derakon> | It's straightforward and doable on most machines. |
| 01:51 | < maoranma> | Well, no, that wouldn't work because IRC ports aren't open at school |
| 01:51 | < Derakon> | It even makes a convenient backup for you, assuming you download your email from some central system or webserver. |
| 01:52 | < Derakon> | That's far from terrible. |
| 01:52 | < Derakon> | It's just suborning email to a task that it isn't usually intended for, but we do that to programs all the time. |
| 01:52 | < Derakon> | Generally, the terribleness of a solution is directly proportional to the number of hoops you have to hop through, and there aren't many here. |
| 01:52 | < maoranma> | Hey, I wonder if a portable VNC client would work |
| 01:53 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: It is, however, slow. |
| 01:53 | < gnolam> | Tarinaky: networked home directories + proper remote access. |
| 01:53 | < Derakon> | Slowness I will grant. |
| 01:54 | < Derakon> | And there are often file size limitations and occasionally file type limitations too. |
| 01:54 | < Derakon> | Those are the main problems with it. |
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| 01:54 | < maoranma> | Are there portable VNC servers? |
| 01:55 | < McMartin> | maoranma: Hm. I've only ever used Chicken Of The VNC and I'm not sure if it's two way or client-only. |
| 01:55 | < maoranma> | ew, mac? |
| 01:56 | < McMartin> | I've never needed to VNC from anything else. |
| 01:56 | < Derakon> | Ah, OS bigotry. It never gets old~ |
| 01:56 | | * McMartin develops tri-platform. Deal with it. |
| 01:56 | < maoranma> | No, I just need something that creates a quick print server that I can send documents to remotely |
| 01:57 | < McMartin> | That doesn't sound like a problem VNC solves. |
| 01:57 | < maoranma> | Something portable, that I can load on any workstation and have it autodetect a specific printer, then let me send files to print from anywhere |
| 01:57 | < maoranma> | McMartin: Some have print sharing in them |
| 02:01 | | * gnolam develops on/for two platform, but tends to only curse one of them. |
| 02:01 | < Tarinaky> | maoranma: I have to be honest. What you're describing does sound a bit like Malware. |
| 02:01 | < Tarinaky> | At least from a security policy standpoint. |
| 02:02 | < Derakon> | The difference between malware and standard networking software tends to be in the use of exploits vs. passwords. |
| 02:02 | < Tarinaky> | Piece of portable software that when installed runs a server granting access to internal resources to external machines. |
| 02:03 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: Except that the system in question isn't 'his' which muddies the waters a little. |
| 02:03 | < Tarinaky> | If it was his network he could make the printserver accessible by VPN. |
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| 02:06 | < maoranma> | Tarinaky: I know |
| 02:06 | < Derakon> | Ah, I'm clearly missing context here. |
| 02:07 | < maoranma> | It's more for convience really |
| 02:07 | < Tarinaky> | Not that I've ever been one to let what the sysadmin wants get in the way of what I want. |
| 02:07 | < Tarinaky> | But it's worth, at least, considering other people before you annoy them. |
| 02:08 | < Tarinaky> | *before you decide to annoy them anyway |
| 02:13 | < maoranma> | Now to find a decent torrent of english dubbed Stand Alone Complex |
| 02:13 | < Tarinaky> | Torrents/sex/drugs are bad mmkay, but make sure you use protection. |
| 02:14 | < Tarinaky> | Sorry, that was funnier in my head >.< |
| 02:14 | < maoranma> | Don't lie, it wasn't funny there either |
| 02:14 | < Tarinaky> | Don't be mean. |
| 02:14 | < maoranma> | lol |
| 02:15 | < Eri> | Eeeeeeeeh, english dubs? |
| 02:15 | < maoranma> | Whoops |
| 02:15 | < maoranma> | I meant english subs |
| 02:15 | < Eri> | Did they at least get decent VA's? |
| 02:15 | < Tarinaky> | The Tatchikomas are annoying in any language. |
| 02:15 | < Eri> | Oh |
| 02:15 | < Eri> | Heh |
| 02:15 | < maoranma> | Obviously I haven't had enough sleep |
| 02:17 | < Tarinaky> | Someone lent me the second series of that. I disgusted them by pointing out that the Major on the box was glossy for an 'easy wipe down'. |
| 02:17 | < Tarinaky> | As you can imagine, I struggle to maintain irl friendships. |
| 02:17 | < maoranma> | You don't say. |
| 02:18 | < Tarinaky> | It was funny though. |
| 02:18 | < maoranma> | My issue with english dubs is that the ONLY thing I've watched that wasn't completely horrible in english was Cowboy Bebop |
| 02:19 | < Tarinaky> | I find anime difficult to take seriously anyway. |
| 02:19 | < maoranma> | Depends on the anime |
| 02:19 | < maoranma> | I used to like all of it...now, I like the more serious tone stuff |
| 02:19 | < Tarinaky> | The female main character is always, without exception, capable of being referred to by the alias 'Tits McGee'. |
| 02:19 | < maoranma> | Like Monster, see that? |
| 02:20 | < Tarinaky> | There are more boobs than a 14 year old's WH40k Slanesh army. |
| 02:20 | < maoranma> | Oh god |
| 02:20 | < maoranma> | I get that reference |
| 02:21 | < Tarinaky> | Hands up if, as a growing lad, you looked at the rotating cabinets just to catch a glimpse of well painted busom. |
| 02:21 | < Tarinaky> | Just me? |
| 02:21 | < Tarinaky> | >.> <.< >.> |
| 02:21 | < maoranma> | Yes |
| 02:21 | < maoranma> | I grew up with the internet |
| 02:22 | < Tarinaky> | Right, I'm going to stop embaressing myself now. |
| 02:23 | < maoranma> | I'm not even sure what you meant by rotating cabinets, how old are you? |
| 02:23 | < Tarinaky> | 22. |
| 02:23 | < maoranma> | You're younger than me? wtf |
| 02:23 | < Tarinaky> | >.> |
| 02:23 | < Tarinaky> | I'm old before my time I guess. |
| 02:24 | < McMartin> | I'm in my 30s and I'm not sure what a "rotating cabinet" is. |
| 02:24 | < gnolam> | Tarinaky: <Alek> and aren't you the gay one? >_>< |
| 02:24 | < maoranma> | I'm 26 I think. I stopped counting |
| 02:26 | < Tarinaky> | gnolam: 'It's complicated'. I was a very repressed teenager wrt sexuality and have I guess just enough bisexuality to squeek by. |
| 02:27 | < Tarinaky> | Unless you're referring to something else >.> |
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| 02:58 | < Alek> | and a rotating cabinet: oh Goddess. the memories. >_> |
| 02:58 | < Alek> | disclaimer: possibly different rotating cabinets than you meant. but still. |
| 02:59 | < Alek> | postscript: never even saw a minifig in person, other than D&D figs and army men. XD |
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| 16:33 | < jerith> | W00t! My depixeling code is complete as far as generating the deformed pixel grid. |
| 16:33 | < jerith> | Vornicus: Ping. |
| 16:38 | <~Vornicus> pong! |
| 16:38 | <~Vornicus> Nicely done. |
| 16:42 | < jerith> | http://i.minus.com/iN4d29pUYTGt5.png and http://i.minus.com/iFhpqAthCoZNg.png |
| 16:42 | <~Vornicus> \o/ |
| 16:43 | < jerith> | Now I'm going to tidy it up a bit and then put it on github. |
| 16:43 | <~Vornicus> The two things just below the ends of the curve look odd to me though |
| 16:44 | < jerith> | Which curve? |
| 16:45 | < jerith> | I drew the ear to compare to the image in the paper. |
| 16:45 | < jerith> | And it's a match. |
| 16:46 | < jerith> | Initially, I deformed all diagonals. That left me with a wide border of misshapen pixels around the edges. |
| 16:46 | <~Vornicus> right, that wide border seemed more right to me. |
| 16:46 | < jerith> | Then I rewrote the deformation step to exclude the sides of the diagonals where the pixels were the same colour. |
| 16:47 | < jerith> | They're equivalent, but this does a less extensive reshape. |
| 16:49 | < jerith> | (Well, they're equivalent as long as you only care about the edges of colour features. If you care about the shape of internal pixels, they aren't.) |
| 16:50 | <~Vornicus> I almost care about shape of internal pixels. |
| 16:50 | < jerith> | Howso? |
| 16:50 | <~Vornicus> Well, no, what I care more about is what the shapes of the internal pixels would change if the edge changed, which I have to do via regeneration instead. |
| 16:51 | | * jerith can't parse that. |
| 16:51 | <~Vornicus> in drod, you can break down walls. |
| 16:51 | <~Vornicus> some walls, anyway |
| 16:52 | < jerith> | Ah. |
| 16:53 | < jerith> | You'd have to reshape after a wall was broken. |
| 16:53 | < jerith> | Or treat breakable walls as different colours. Or something. |
| 16:53 | <~Vornicus> so what I need to do, in a certain sense, is make sure that not only is the wall getting reshaped after it's broken, but that it's got the cracks in pretty much the entire area that would change |
| 16:55 | <~Vornicus> Otherwise - and this is a relatively common thing - if I had a breakable wall diagonally down from the end of the curve in your image, it wouldn't look like it's close enough to the wall to break. |
| 16:56 | <~Vornicus> THis is actually one of the reasons I wanted to do this: the current rendering of the game doesn' |
| 16:56 | <~Vornicus> t make that easy to tell. |
| 16:57 | < jerith> | In the reshape-all-diagonals version, those pixels are even further away. |
| 16:58 | <~Vornicus> True, but I want them right at the wall. |
| 16:58 | < jerith> | Twice as far, actually. |
| 16:58 | < jerith> | You'd actually want some kind of special handling for breakable walls. Or something. |
| 16:59 | <~Vornicus> I'm already going to have two passes over the data |
| 17:00 | <~Vornicus> Because I need floors to interact correctly with pits, but wall floor / pit wall suggests that the two walls should be connected, when it's actually the floor and pit that's correct |
| 17:00 | < jerith> | Is it supposed to be easy to tell breakable walls from normal ones? |
| 17:01 | < jerith> | If so, you can probably handle it all in the similarity function. |
| 17:01 | < jerith> | (In my code, that's just an equality check.) |
| 17:01 | <~Vornicus> There's two types, "breakable" and "secret" - the first is supposed to be "easy" but still fit with the way walls look; the second is very difficult. |
| 17:03 | < jerith> | Maybe you need to treat all walls as adjacent to all floors for diagonal reduction. |
| 17:03 | < jerith> | No, that won't work. |
| 17:04 | < jerith> | You'd need to have special not-really-connected diagonals. |
| 17:17 | <~Vornicus> Right. So I'm doing that math in multiple passes so I can get the connections I want in each, um, layer |
| 17:18 | < jerith> | Ah. |
| 17:19 | <~Vornicus> Or will be, once I finish some other tasks. |
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| 19:18 | < gnolam> | So. Gmail's new look has finally been rolled out. |
| 19:19 | < gnolam> | Why do "web 2.0" designers hate contrast so much? |
| 19:19 | < Tarinaky> | Because it's not hip. |
| 19:19 | < Tarinaky> | Too mainstream. |
| 19:19 | < Tarinaky> | Etc... |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | Being able to see what you're doing is so uncool. |
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| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | Does anyone know if there's an easy way to 'tighten' the hinge on my laptop? |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | It seems to have given way in a big way. |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | And it's kindof annoying. |
| 19:34 | < jerith> | Tarinaky: That's very model-dependent, I think. |
| 19:34 | < Tarinaky> | It's a D410. |
| 19:34 | < Tarinaky> | I was hoping there was a 'trick' or other advice to direct me on the matter. |
| 19:34 | < jerith> | Try search YouTube. |
| 19:35 | < jerith> | And I never thought I'd ever say that in a non-ironic way. |
| 19:35 | < jerith> | But people often post howto videos for this kind of thing. |
| 19:35 | < jerith> | (Especially disassembling netbooks and such.) |
| 19:35 | < Tarinaky> | I wonder what the ironic use of that sentence was. |
| 19:37 | < Tarinaky> | There's no screws on the screen part, which confuses me a bit. |
| 19:39 | < jerith> | "You should read YouTube comments, they're full of wisdom." That kind of thing. |
| 19:41 | < Tarinaky> | Wait, youtube comments are full of wisdom? |
| 19:41 | < Tarinaky> | What? |
| 19:41 | < Tarinaky> | Oh wait, irony. |
| 19:41 | | * Tarinaky facepalms. |
| 19:42 | < iospace> | i made an irony meter once |
| 19:42 | < Tarinaky> | Thanks for the help anyway. I think I might have to poke someone irl after my exams are over. |
| 19:42 | < iospace> | it was broken, detected everything but irony |
| 19:42 | < Tarinaky> | iospace: How ironic. |
| 19:43 | < Tarinaky> | Personally, the best I can manage is an iPad app for detecting sarcasm. |
| 19:52 | < Tarinaky> | From the inbox: "Why is my source code full of :w s?" |
| 20:04 | < iospace> | ... |
| 20:04 | < iospace> | xD |
| 20:04 | < Tamber> | Hehe. |
| 20:05 | < Tarinaky> | Thank you very much. Try the salad. |
| 20:07 | < jerith> | "vi has two modes: one which breaks your text and one which beeps at you." |
| 20:08 | < Tamber> | Hehe |
| 20:10 | | * jerith has unit tests for half his depixeling code now. |
| 20:10 | < jerith> | The other half is going to be a pain to test. :-/ |
| 20:11 | < jerith> | I think I'll have to just run it, check that the output looks good, and capture the data structures to assert on. |
| 20:20 | < Tarinaky> | So. I'm contemplating how to rewrite my MUD to avoid thinking about exams and revision... |
| 20:21 | < Tarinaky> | Does anyone know anything about python FIFOs? |
| 20:21 | < celticminstrel> | What's that about web2.0 and contrast? |
| 20:23 | < jerith> | Tarinaky: FIFOs? |
| 20:24 | < jerith> | There are some queue data structures in various places, but it's generally easiest to just use a list. |
| 20:24 | < Tarinaky> | I was thinking it'd be a good idea to decouple the netcode from the actual... prompt part of it. |
| 20:24 | < Tarinaky> | And I think python has a type for constructing io streams. |
| 20:25 | | * iospace eyes Tarinaky |
| 20:26 | | * Tarinaky feels like he should be ashamed of himself. |
| 20:29 | < jerith> | What do you mean by "I/O stream"? |
| 20:30 | < jerith> | If you want to do serious networking stuff in Pyhon, look at Twisted. |
| 20:30 | < Tarinaky> | cin cout cerr and clog |
| 20:30 | < Tarinaky> | And yeah, I was using Twisted. |
| 20:30 | < jerith> | It takes serious brainbendy to get your head around it, but once you do that it's fine. |
| 20:31 | < jerith> | Ah. |
| 20:31 | < jerith> | Then you probably want a protocol that handles I/O and calls the game code where appropriate. |
| 20:32 | < jerith> | It should be noted that Twisted was originally written to be the network layer for a MUD. |
| 20:32 | < Tarinaky> | I'm not sure I understood what you just said. |
| 20:32 | < Tarinaky> | I didn't know that. |
| 20:33 | < jerith> | A Protocol is the low-level thing in Twisted that talks to a network connection. |
| 20:34 | < jerith> | You probably want to subclass a LineReceiver or something. |
| 20:34 | < jerith> | Then you implement .lineReceived(), which gets called every time a new line arrives. |
| 20:35 | < jerith> | That does the parsing (if any) and calls your game engine. |
| 20:35 | < Tarinaky> | Oh, yes. But the problem is that the protocol might need to send out lines to the client faster that it receives them (if the player does nothing) |
| 20:35 | < jerith> | You can call .sendLine() on the protocol instance to send stuff back. |
| 20:35 | < jerith> | Which you can do at arbitrary times. |
| 20:36 | < Tarinaky> | And coupling is bad. |
| 20:36 | < jerith> | Coupling is necessary. |
| 20:36 | < jerith> | Excessive coupling is bad. |
| 20:37 | < jerith> | You'll probably have a user object that handles various user state and whatnot. |
| 20:38 | < jerith> | You give that a reference to the protocol instance. |
| 20:39 | < jerith> | "network <-> protocol <-> user object <-> game engine" or something. |
| 20:39 | < jerith> | Although I consider the user object to be part of the game engine. |
| 20:39 | < jerith> | Does that make sense? |
| 20:40 | < jerith> | It's hard to design a good architecture without the details. |
| 20:40 | < Tarinaky> | Yes. |
| 20:40 | < Tarinaky> | Yes, I know. I don't have many details myself tbh, I've not done anything really like this before. |
| 20:40 | < jerith> | But you probably don't want your user object to actually be the protocol instance. |
| 20:40 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, no-one answered. |
| 20:41 | < Tarinaky> | Is there anything I can use as a framework or starting point for accepting commands in a MUD? |
| 20:48 | < jerith> | twisted.protocols.base.LineReceiver |
| 20:50 | < jerith> | You probably want to build a Service that holds your game engine and gets new protocol instances passed to it to handle new connections. Or something. |
| 20:53 | < Tarinaky> | I meant more in terms of doing stuff with the lines. |
| 20:53 | < Tarinaky> | As a starting point for the tokenizer. |
| 20:58 | < jerith> | "".split()? |
| 20:59 | < jerith> | You probably want a state machine for handling inpu in different contexts. |
| 21:02 | < Tarinaky> | As far as I am aware, I got all the Twisted code I needed working basically just by copying one of the examples |
| 21:02 | < Tarinaky> | Sorry for the delay, the router is dying. |
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| 21:23 | < iospace> | god damn lazy hardware people |
| 21:26 | < iospace> | look, i know you don't want to fess up to making a mistake with your pull ups (or lack thereof), but don't make us fix your things on the software sid eD< |
| 21:26 | < iospace> | *side |
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| 21:35 | < gnolam> | Whut |
| 21:35 | < gnolam> | Fix missing pull-up resistors... in software? |
| 21:36 | < macdjord> | Anyone here who does batch scripting? |
| 21:36 | < iospace> | register defaults to 0 without the resistor, but you can write to it from the software side of things |
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| 21:44 | < jerith> | iospace: I've fixed hardware bugs in software. |
| 21:45 | < jerith> | I've also fixed software bugs in hardware. |
| 21:45 | < jerith> | Well, "fixed". |
| 21:45 | < iospace> | jerith: this is a 5 second placement of a resistor vs a 5 day code dive |
| 21:48 | < jerith> | iospace: I'm bragging about my geek cred here, not suggesting that you're wrong. :-) |
| 21:49 | | * iospace has worked with EFI and VxWorks |
| 21:49 | < iospace> | :P |
| 22:04 | | * macdjord pokes about for batch scripters |
| 22:08 | < celticminstrel> | I don't really do batch scripts, but I know a little... that said, you're probably better off Googling unless someone else here knows a lot about them. |
| 22:27 | < Alek> | a little. DOS batch, basically. XD |
| 22:31 | < macdjord> | Alek: I need a simple script that creates a folder named YYYY-MM-DD_##, based on the current date and where ## is the first integer such that the folder name doesn't exist yet, then copies two files into the new folder. |
| 22:31 | < macdjord> | Also I'd like to schedule it to run automatically every 00:00. |
| 22:32 | < McMartin> | Windows does not have a good equivalent to cron. |
| 22:33 | < jerith> | But you can install cygwin and get cron! *flees* |
| 22:33 | < McMartin> | Can you? I didn't think cygwin did daemons right~ |
| 22:33 | < macdjord> | jerith: Already installed, but not usally running. |
| 22:33 | < jerith> | (That was a deliberate poke at all the people who hate it when cygwin is suggested as a solution for anything.) |
| 22:35 | < Alek> | Windows does have Task Scheduler. |
| 22:35 | < Alek> | but I cannot swear to its reliability. |
| 22:35 | < McMartin> | Oh hey |
| 22:35 | | * McMartin was unaware of this~ |
| 22:36 | < TheWatcher> | Task Scheduler is at least as reliable as cron, AFAIK. I don't think it gives you anacron's features, but *shrug* |
| 22:36 | < McMartin> | If all you want is "run this program every day at butt-thirty" it should be fine. |
| 22:36 | < TheWatcher> | yup |
| 22:36 | < Alek> | as for the script code, well. I haven't actually batch-coded in uh. near 13 years now. but gimme the code and I can proof it. XD |
| 22:37 | < McMartin> | That sounds like it would somewhat difficult with batch code, because it does math, which it isn't as good at |
| 22:37 | < McMartin> | You should see if you already have Python installed - a lot of prefab windows machines do |
| 22:37 | < macdjord> | Alek: I don't have any code. I don't know batch at all. I could do it easily in batch, perl, or python. |
| 22:37 | < Alek> | they do? >_> |
| 22:37 | < McMartin> | Alek: Yeah, HP/Compaq have it as part of their shovelware |
| 22:37 | | * Alek should see if he has it on his, albeit it's not prefab. <_< |
| 22:38 | | * Alek should learn perl and python. amongst others. >_> |
| 22:38 | < McMartin> | Python is the finest of cross-platform scripting languages because it actually has generic OS facilities that work tri-platform. |
| 22:40 | | * TheWatcher is hoping that, via deviousness, he might be able to get the school to switch from php to python for the first year project next year. Just hopes he doesn't end up having to write the course material as a result >.> |
| 22:46 | < macdjord> | McMartin: I have a python interperator installed, it seems, but a quick test show it not working when I just try to run a .py file. I'd rather use the native scripting option. |
| 22:46 | < jerith> | macdjord: "python foo.py" |
| 22:47 | < jerith> | I don't think Windows has a good mechanism for adding executable types. |
| 22:47 | < McMartin> | Not from the command line |
| 22:47 | < McMartin> | If you associate .py files with pythonw.exe you're actually in pretty good shape. |
| 22:47 | < macdjord> | jerith: I tried right-click->open with...->python.exe |
| 22:47 | < McMartin> | (You'd want to run a script that does housekeeping work with pythonw.exe) |
| 22:47 | < jerith> | But you could write "foo.bat" which just calls "python foo.py" or something. |
| 22:48 | < McMartin> | ^-- |
| 22:48 | < McMartin> | Batch files are bad at math |
| 22:48 | < McMartin> | The modern scripting approach involves using JavaScript, I think. |
| 22:48 | < McMartin> | But I don't remember how to get the relevant file-access objects offhand. |
| 22:49 | < macdjord> | McMartin: The only math here is '+1'. How bad are they? |
| 22:49 | < McMartin> | I'm honestly not sure if .bat even has numeric types. |
| 22:50 | < jerith> | "1 + 1 = 11"? |
| 22:50 | < McMartin> | If not "1+1". |
| 22:50 | < TheWatcher> | set /a foo=%foo%+1 |
| 22:50 | < McMartin> | Aha |
| 22:50 | < McMartin> | /a is the trick then |
| 23:03 | < celticminstrel> | What's the difference betwee {java,python}.exe and {java,python}w.exe? |
| 23:03 | < celticminstrel> | ^between |
| 23:03 | < jerith> | celticminstrel: The "w" version does GUI initialisation stuff. |
| 23:04 | < celticminstrel> | So the non-w version is command-line only. |
| 23:04 | < jerith> | In Mac land, that means it lives inside an app bundle and has the right hooks to get at the windowing stuff. |
| 23:04 | < celticminstrel> | ...is this distinction on non-Windows too? |
| 23:04 | < jerith> | I've only seen a handful of things that actually require the "w" version on my system. |
| 23:05 | < celticminstrel> | ....waitwaitwait. I failed running Minecraft with Java7... should I have done 'javaw -jar /path/to/launcher/jar' instead of 'java -jar /path/to/launcher/jar'? |
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| 23:05 | < jerith> | I have no idea about Java. |
| 23:05 | < celticminstrel> | The specific problem seemed to be that it couldn't connect to minecraft.net, but that problem didn't occur when I did the exact same thing on java6. |
| 23:06 | < jerith> | I've only ever seen it with Python. |
| 23:06 | < celticminstrel> | Still... worth a try I guess? |
| 23:06 | < McMartin> | The non-w version is less "command line only" and more "it pops up a console window to run it in" |
| 23:07 | < jerith> | http://docs.python.org/using/windows.html#executing-scripts |
| 23:07 | | * McMartin writes down All The Rationals. |
| 23:08 | < jerith> | You must have a very big piece of paper. |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | Nah, it's just a few lines: |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | allrats = (0, 1):(q 1 1) |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | where q 1 d = (1,d):(-1,d):(q (d+1) 1) |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | q n d = let rest = q (n-1) (d+1) |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | in if gcd n d == 1 |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | then (n,d):(-n,d):rest |
| 23:08 | < McMartin> | else rest |
| 23:10 | < jerith> | "As of Python 2.5, python and pythonw are interchange- able; both execute Python in the context of an application bundle, which means they have access to the Graphical User Interface; thus both can, when properly programmed, display windows, dialo |
| 23:10 | < jerith> | gs, etc." |
| 23:10 | | * McMartin nods |
| 23:11 | < McMartin> | But python alone I think still spawns a console |
| 23:11 | < jerith> | But there are still some things that refuse to run in python rather than pythonw. |
| 23:11 | < McMartin> | Hm. |
| 23:11 | < jerith> | McMartin: That's from the macos man page. |
| 23:11 | < McMartin> | Oh |
| 23:12 | < jerith> | I suspect those things actually check the name and die. |
| 23:12 | < McMartin> | I find it odd that MacOS even has a pythonw |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | ...wait, isn't that the exact opposite of what jerith said? |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | Oh wait, never mind. |
| 23:12 | | * celticminstrel nearly missed the "non-" part. |
| 23:13 | < celticminstrel> | I didn't actually know MacOS had a pythonw. |
| 23:13 | < jerith> | celticminstrel: The "w" version exists for a different reason in MacOS. |
| 23:13 | < jerith> | Well, existed. |
| 23:13 | < celticminstrel> | But that's for Python and not necessarily for java? |
| 23:13 | < jerith> | In Windows, it suppresses consoles. In MacOS, it adds GUI. |
| 23:14 | < celticminstrel> | ...okay? |
| 23:14 | < jerith> | I have no idea what it's for in Java, but it wouldn't surprise if it was a similar thing on Windows. |
| 23:15 | < jerith> | I don't have javaw. I have javaws, which is different. |
| 23:15 | < celticminstrel> | I don't seem to have javaw either. |
| 23:16 | < celticminstrel> | I'm sure I remember seeing it somewhere though. |
| 23:17 | <~Vornicus> Youtube was extraordinarily helpful when I needed to disassemble my parents' old imac. |
| 23:28 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, that reminds me, I was going to poke around to see if it's still possible to install XP on this computer. |
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