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| 00:53 | < McMartin> | Hm. If I want to proceed on this silly project, I need to do boring bookkeeping stuff. |
| 00:55 | < McMartin> | ... also, I am officially a Crazy Functional Person now. |
| 00:55 | | * gnolam hands McMartin a veil and a smoker. |
| 00:55 | < gnolam> | ... oh, bookkeeping. |
| 00:55 | < McMartin> | "Sure, this is a sequence of transformers. This one, for instance, transforms a string into another string which is the contents of the file with that name." |
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| 01:35 | < McMartin> | There we go. |
| 01:37 | < McMartin> | All my compiler-like programs have ludicrous numbers of passes. -_- |
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| 02:18 | < McMartin> | One of the annoying bits of this, though, is that I can't really post this stuff |
| 02:18 | < McMartin> | Since it's, in effect, homework assignments for a standard course. |
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| 21:18 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm having issue with inheritance and super in python. |
| 21:19 | <@Tarinaky> | I have a class whose constructor initialises an attribute and has a method to use that attribute. |
| 21:20 | <@Tarinaky> | I have a specialisation that needs to overload the constructor. |
| 21:20 | <@Tarinaky> | The constructor calls super(baseclass,self).__init__ |
| 21:20 | <@Tarinaky> | But when I come to use the method that uses the attribute initialised in the base class' constructor it gives me a type error. |
| 21:21 | <@Tarinaky> | self.polyList.extend(polyList) |
| 21:21 | <@Tarinaky> | AttributeError: 'Hemisphere' object has no attribute 'polyList' |
| 21:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Where that line of code is in the Shape class Hemisphere inherits from. |
| 21:27 | <@Tarinaky> | I have a test case to help show my problem. |
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| 21:27 | <@Tarinaky> | http://pastebin.com/xsi9N2Uz |
| 21:36 | <@Tarinaky> | I've successfully identified that super(BaseClass,self).__init__() isn't calling the base class' constructor. |
| 21:36 | <@Tarinaky> | What? |
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| 21:52 | < gnolam> | def __init__(self): |
| 21:52 | < gnolam> | BaseClass.__init__(self) |
| 21:52 | < gnolam> | ? |
| 21:53 | < gnolam> | Or do you have to use super()? |
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| 22:04 | <@Tarinaky> | I thought super was the correct way of doing it. |
| 22:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Also: I got it working. |
| 22:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Turns out that it needed to be super(Specialisation,self) |
| 22:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Which... makes no sense to me but okay. |
| 22:30 | < McMartin> | "super" only makes sense if your langauge is single-inheritance; Python isn't so you have to say which one. |
| 22:42 | < gnolam> | ... any reason why tar would refuse to include my actual executable? What's in there is 0 bytes. |
| 22:50 | < gnolam> | ... ah, it's some kind of symlink. |
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| 22:58 | <@Tarinaky> | McMartin: But which one what? |
| 22:59 | < McMartin> | Which superclass you mean when you say "super" |
| 22:59 | <@Tarinaky> | But super(Specialisation,self) doesn't. |
| 22:59 | <@Tarinaky> | super(BaseClass,self) specifies what BaseClass I mean. |
| 23:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Specialisation isn't a base class. I know that this is a Specialisation object because this is the constructor for a Specialisation object. |
| 23:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Hence: This makes no sense. |
| 23:01 | | * Tarinaky is currently swearing at his inability to perform matrix math. |
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| 23:29 | < celticminstrel> | Super doesn't even necessarily return the superclass; it just returns the next class in the method resolution order. |
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| 23:36 | <@Tarinaky> | celticminstrel: Yeah, but if they're daisychained nicely then the behavior reflects C++; if they're not daisy chained nicely then there's probably a reason why not. |
| 23:47 | < gnolam> | So. Binary distribution of Python programs on Linux. Anything that actually works? |
| 23:51 | <@Namegduf> | Why binary? |
| 23:51 | <@Namegduf> | Obfustication? |
| 23:53 | <@Namegduf> | And what do you mean by binary? Enough to run without Python, or bytecode? |
| 23:53 | < Derakon> | I suspect he means "I don't have to compile it myself". |
| 23:54 | <@Namegduf> | But there's no separate compile step when running Python anyway. |
| 23:54 | < Derakon> | "it" == "the interpreter". |
| 23:54 | <@Namegduf> | Ah. Yeah, you tell them to install it from package management, virtually everyone will already have it anyway. |
| 23:55 | < gnolam> | "Enough to run without Python" |
| 23:55 | <@Namegduf> | Don't think you can and you absolutely shouldn't; you'd have to embed your own copy of Python, pretty much. |
| 23:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Bundle it with an interpretter. |
| 23:56 | <@Namegduf> | There's talk of adding Python to the Linux Standard Base. |
| 23:56 | <@Namegduf> | It's *that* commonplace. |
| 23:58 | < celticminstrel> | It's not already standard? |
| 23:58 | <@Namegduf> | It might be. |
| 23:58 | <@Namegduf> | The thing I read said it was going into 3.2, and 3.2 is the current version of the LSB. |
| 23:58 | <@Tarinaky> | It's not part of Arch Linux's core yet. |
| 23:59 | <@Namegduf> | Nevertheless, I think trying to pack everything into one blob download is not very... idiomatic on Linux. Particularly interpreters. |
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