| --- Log opened Tue Nov 29 00:00:18 2011 |
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| 00:21 | < McMartin> | quasiquote, you are my only friend |
| 00:21 | < Alek> | Skyrim forums: "A lightning bolt will disintegrate my opponent, how am I supposed to loot him then?" "Re-integrate him." "Ah. Finally I'll be able to apply my calculus knowledge!!!" |
| 00:25 | < McMartin> | Think differentiable. |
| 00:26 | | * Vornicus applies the the minkowski question-mark function to all involved. |
| 00:31 | < Alek> | speaking of functions. |
| 00:33 | < Alek> | what language would I use, and how, to script graphical functions? like screensavers? |
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| 00:33 | < Alek> | and visual transitions? |
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| 00:38 | <~Vornicus> Anything that can talk to openGL works. |
| 00:38 | <~Vornicus> Even better if you can write shaders in it. |
| 00:39 | < Derakon> | You can do simple stuff with the SDL though. |
| 00:39 | < Derakon> | Which doesn't even require OpenGL. |
| 00:39 | < Derakon> | It just won't be as performant, and it can't do 3D. |
| 00:42 | <~Vornicus> gnah, deep loops are madness. |
| 00:43 | < kwsn> | madness? |
| 00:43 | < kwsn> | THIS |
| 00:43 | < kwsn> | IS |
| 00:43 | < kwsn> | #CODE |
| 00:43 | | * Derakon boots KWSN out the airlock. Intoa furnace. |
| 00:43 | | * kwsn has no regrets |
| 00:44 | <~Vornicus> I have an 8-deep nested loop, no function boundaries in between. |
| 00:44 | < kwsn> | ... |
| 00:44 | < kwsn> | Vornicus: .... why? |
| 00:46 | <~Vornicus> The iterable for each loop is constructed in the for statement, it's some lovely set math that happens to take up around 80 characters all by itself. |
| 00:46 | < kwsn> | also, what language? |
| 00:46 | <~Vornicus> python. |
| 00:46 | < kwsn> | ah |
| 00:48 | <~Vornicus> This is Project Euler problem #43: "find a ten digit number abcdefghij such that each digit is distinct and abc is divisible by 1, bcd is divisble by 2, cde is divisible by 3, def is divisible by 5, and so on through the primes" |
| 00:48 | <~Vornicus> Well, actually, "find all such ten-digit numbers" |
| 00:48 | < kwsn> | fun |
| 00:50 | <~Vornicus> So each loop nesting there is iterating one of the digits, and has to construct its search space on the fly from the digits I've already used in earlier digits. |
| 00:59 | | * Alek has some ideas for transition code to approach randomness while keeping speed. wishes to try them out. |
| 01:00 | | * Alek shrugs. |
| 01:04 | <~Vornicus> Alek: what kind of transitions are you looking at? |
| 01:12 | < Alek> | one variant: using prime stepping within the range of the display's pixel count, less primes that are factors of the display dimensions. try various ones to see the effects. |
| 01:14 | < Alek> | another variant: create an array equal to the display size. change random pixels, initialize the appropriate array values. at every random pick, check to see if value is already initialized, and if so, instead of changing the pixel, traverse the array until you find an uninitialized one, change that instead. |
| 01:16 | | * Alek misses programming on his TIs. would have tried there, but doesn't have them currently. :/ |
| 01:18 | < RichardBarrell> | Alek: if you are in some kind of real damn hurry to just blit something to screen with minimal code then a web browser with <canvas> 2d context support is fairly easy to draw onto. |
| 01:19 | < RichardBarrell> | Alek: e.g. http://robarr.co.uk/1/1d_cel.html |
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| 01:21 | < Alek> | nice. |
| 01:21 | < RichardBarrell> | You just fill out the contents of an ImageData object (array of 4-tuples of bytes) and then call context.putImageData(buffer, 0, 0) to throw it on. |
| 01:21 | | * Alek needs to get the HTML5 book from the library again, then. >_> |
| 01:21 | < RichardBarrell> | Don't bother, you can pick this up from tutorials. |
| 01:22 | < Alek> | I could, but I need a deep html refresher too. as well as the other new tags. |
| 01:22 | < RichardBarrell> | The HTML5 APIs are really very orthogonal with almost no inter-dependencies, which means that you can just learn the one that you're interested in for the thing that you want to do right now. |
| 01:23 | < RichardBarrell> | The new tags aren't even interesting. :) |
| 01:23 | < Alek> | they are to me. <_< |
| 01:23 | < RichardBarrell> | Half the crap on that page is just me messing with the CSS3 "transform" property anyway. :) |
| 01:24 | < Alek> | and I definitely need a CSS refresher. badly. |
| 01:24 | < RichardBarrell> | Try rule #153 in that thing. |
| 01:24 | < RichardBarrell> | Or 161. |
| 01:25 | < RichardBarrell> | 89 is good too. :) |
| 01:26 | < RichardBarrell> | Rule #34 is tragically boring. |
| 01:26 | < Alek> | 169 |
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| 01:36 | | * ToxicFrog upreads |
| 01:37 | < RichardBarrell> | Alek: neat. |
| 01:37 | < ToxicFrog> | Alek: in general, any binding to SDL or OpenGL or GDI/X will do. In specific, I highly recommend Pygame (python, SDL); Love2d (lua, SDL); or if performance is less important than flexibility, GTK's Cairo API in any language you please. |
| 01:37 | < ToxicFrog> | I believe there are also TI simulators kicking around, but then you're stuck with TI-BASIC and the TI's really crappy screen. |
| 01:38 | | * Alek nods. |
| 01:39 | < Alek> | you can actually get a TI simulator from TI themselves. XD |
| 01:39 | < Alek> | iirc. |
| 01:39 | < Alek> | or you could, some years ago. :/ |
| 01:41 | < ToxicFrog> | (or z80 asm and the TI's really crappy screen, I guess~) |
| 01:43 | < ToxicFrog> | (it's amazing how TI took until 2011 to release a calculator that didn't have a low-res monochrome LCD screen) |
| 01:44 | < Alek> | and HP and Casio were putting out color screens in the 90s. |
| 01:45 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 01:46 | < ToxicFrog> | Fuck, so was Sega~ |
| 01:46 | < ToxicFrog> | But, yeah. My personal preference for graphical stuff is love2d, but in general <your language of choice> + <your preferred GUI library that has a canvas element> will do for noodling around. |
| 01:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Assuming that such a combination exists, of course. |
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| 03:49 | < celticminstrel> | Oh heh, there was a discussion of canvas and I missed it. |
| 03:49 | < celticminstrel> | On the other hand, I got my canvas working now. |
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| 15:34 | < Bob_work> | fucking java instructor. Sure, give an assignment with hints and don't explain a damn thing. >.> |
| 15:35 | < Bob_work> | I've got to create a GUI with a text field, button, and list box. I know how to handle the text field, I've written the code to make the button work when clicked....but I have no idea how the frak java creates a text box. |
| 15:35 | < Bob_work> | errr...list box. |
| 15:35 | < Bob_work> | And my google-fu is contridcting instructor's "hints" |
| 15:35 | < kwsn> | using an IDE? |
| 15:36 | < Bob_work> | Netbeans, yes. |
| 15:37 | < Bob_work> | My problem is that I have to populate the list box from a text file. I've read about listmodels and jlists, but am totally lost. |
| 15:39 | < kwsn> | ah |
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| 15:46 | < Bob_work> | alriht, I'm frakked. I can't figure the logic out behind this at all. |
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| 23:20 | < gnolam> | Ok, let's see what this soldering station can do. |
| 23:20 | < TheWatcher> | Burn you nastily~ |
| 23:26 | < RichardBarrell> | Programmers wielding screwdrivers and soldering irons aren't scary. |
| 23:26 | < RichardBarrell> | Programmers wielding hammers are terrifying. :) |
| 23:28 | < Noah> | The only way to code |
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