| --- Log opened Sun Nov 20 00:00:01 2011 |
| 00:00 | | kw|BLARGH is now known as kws-not-here |
| 00:22 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:25 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:48 | <~Vornicus> Actually he was trolling about w3's standards process |
| 01:02 | | * McMartin \o/ as he gets incremental compilation to work in Gambit-C |
| 01:04 | < McMartin> | The one thing missing is makefile jackassery to automatically do a couple of steps that otherwise require a copy-paste. |
| 01:04 | < McMartin> | (You have to link it twice, basically, once before and once after the compilation to C) |
| 01:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Gambit-C? |
| 01:05 | < McMartin> | (The dependencies for the first link step are similar) |
| 01:05 | | * ToxicFrog looks at the name again |
| 01:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh. Scheme -> C -> machine code? |
| 01:05 | < McMartin> | Gambit-C is a Scheme system that uses gcc as its intermediate format. |
| 01:05 | < McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 01:05 | < McMartin> | And it's fully compliant, too, with tail calls and full continuation support |
| 01:05 | < McMartin> | Which is \o/ or :gonk: depending~ |
| 01:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Niiiiice. |
| 01:06 | < ToxicFrog> | :goop:? |
| 01:06 | < McMartin> | It does not, however, appear to be the most modern Scheme implementation. |
| 01:06 | < McMartin> | But Racket is so far from the stuff I learned from SICP that it might as well be a different language entirely. |
| 01:06 | < McMartin> | (That said, my one use of call/cc in this code could have been replaced with a let/ec with much rejoicing) |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Anyway, yeah |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | You can automate the whole thing, but then it isn't incremental-build |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | So to get that, the build steps are: |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | - Compile .scm to .c |
| 01:09 | < ToxicFrog> | let/ec? |
| 01:09 | < McMartin> | - Assemble .c files in dependency order, run Gambit linker which produces another .c file |
| 01:09 | < McMartin> | - compile all .c files to .o files |
| 01:09 | < McMartin> | - Link .o files with Gambit runtime and libc to get final result |
| 01:09 | | * Vornicus randomly hates on make. |
| 01:10 | | * Vornicus also randomly hates on rake, but at least rake lets him do things that seem essentially impossible in make. |
| 01:10 | < McMartin> | let/ec is "let with escape continuation" - escape continuations are faster versions of continuations that aren't as powerful - they can't be used outside of the dynamic scope they've been called from (so are thus equivalent to longjmp) |
| 01:10 | | * ToxicFrog hates all build systems everywhere |
| 01:10 | < ToxicFrog> | So far the ones I hate least seem to be pm and premake. They still both suck~ |
| 01:10 | < McMartin> | (let/cc k (blah)) is a thing Racket has that is equivalent to (call/cc (lambda (k) (blah))) |
| 01:10 | < McMartin> | I should get more into SCons, really |
| 01:11 | <~Vornicus> I hate rake because, well, it's ruby, and I ended up with mass insanity |
| 01:11 | < ToxicFrog> | (pm is wicked flexible and has pleasant project files but doesn't do parallel build, has serious portability issues, and is unmaintained. premake is a project file generator and is great if you want to support multiple build systems but this badly limits its flexibility.) |
| 01:11 | | * McMartin sets up the git repo for this project now that it isn't "experiment with command line programs at the command line and REPL" |
| 01:12 | <~Vornicus> make on the other hand I seemed to need to hand-write every target name, because none of the tools available would build the (in one case) 90 different targets from a single filename. |
| 01:12 | < McMartin> | (It also appears to NFW for a bunch of those project types~) |
| 01:13 | < ToxicFrog> | Speaking of which |
| 01:13 | < McMartin> | http://paste.ubuntu.com/743810/ |
| 01:13 | <~Vornicus> (seriously: token.ps built {0.5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8}/token/{2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12}.png ) |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | As you can see, it isn't really that bad for this use case, but it would be nice to autobuild the lextest_ case. |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | Er, the lextest_.c clause, rather. |
| 01:14 | < ToxicFrog> | McM, did you ever get around to trying the new Enceladus build files? |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | Not sure how new "new" is |
| 01:14 | < ToxicFrog> | (also, I'm pretty sure at this point that most if not all of the DFW is on my end) |
| 01:14 | < ToxicFrog> | (in particular, I didn't understand --os and was, for example, telling it to generate MinGW makefiles and VS solution files...for building under Linux) |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | I don't think I've tested it since "executive summary: :gonk:" |
| 01:15 | < ToxicFrog> | (although I may just drop VS entirely because fuck C89 forever~) |
| 01:15 | < McMartin> | (This is entirely reasonable~) |
| 01:15 | < ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> I also think I've gotten the msys stuff sorted; I didn't fully understand how platforms work in premake. |
| 01:15 | < ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> build/windows/ should now contain VS project files (which don't work) and Makefiles (which work in the cross-compiler, at least, and should work in native msys). |
| 01:15 | < ToxicFrog> | <McMartin> OK, I'll take a look in a bit |
| 01:16 | < McMartin> | OK, I haven't tried that yet, I'll do so when I get home tonight. |
| 01:16 | < ToxicFrog> | Haven't heard anything since, not sure if you reported it in here and I missed it or not. |
| 01:16 | < ToxicFrog> | Alright. No rush. |
| 01:16 | < ToxicFrog> | (yeah, turns out the correct solution to cross-compiler support is 'premake4 --os=windows gmake' to generate a makefile using the windows project configuration, and then '(cd build/windows && mingw32-make)') |
| 01:17 | < ToxicFrog> | (as opposed to trying to generate one makefile that works everywhere) |
| 01:17 | < McMartin> | (Yeah. MinGW is *not* a POSIX compliance layer and it's very dangerous to pretend it is) |
| 01:18 | < McMartin> | (Windows only implements about half of POSIX and the other half is, basically, VMS++) |
| 01:18 | < McMartin> | (POSIX is finally catching its domain sockets up to Windows mailbox multicast though \o/) |
| 01:21 | < ToxicFrog> | That wasn't even the problem, actually. |
| 01:22 | < ToxicFrog> | I was expecting OS-dependent things to get resolved at make time. |
| 01:22 | < ToxicFrog> | So, for example, I expected 'configuration "linux gcc" linkeropts "-rdynamic"' to generate a makefile that, if built on linux, would use -rdynamic, and otherwise not. |
| 01:23 | < ToxicFrog> | Instead it happens at premake time; 'premake4 --os=linux gmake' will generate a makefile that uses -rdynamic and 'premake4 --os=windows gmake' will not. |
| 01:24 | < McMartin> | Aha |
| 01:25 | < McMartin> | Hm, you know |
| 01:25 | < McMartin> | I could write a small script *in* Gambit to generate the Makefile~ |
| 01:31 | | * McMartin heads home from coffeeshop. |
| 01:54 | | maoranma [maoranma@490720.C448F4.EA970A.EA912C] has joined #code |
| 01:54 | | * maoranma does a dance! |
| 01:59 | < ToxicFrog> | Mrr? |
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| 01:59 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh, hey Noah :) |
| 02:00 | < maoranma> | Haha |
| 02:07 | <~Vornicus> oh man, noah |
| 02:12 | < maoranma> | Oh hey, it's Vornicus |
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| 02:38 | < McMartin> | Hey, look who's here |
| 02:42 | < maoranma> | Wait, who's here? |
| 02:42 | < McMartin> | You are |
| 02:42 | < McMartin> | Speaking of people in two places at once. |
| 02:42 | < maoranma> | No he's not. I beat him up and kicked him outta the house. |
| 02:43 | < maoranma> | Not really...he's walking his parents dog cause they got stuck in the middle of nowhere for the night with our son. |
| 02:43 | < maoranma> | But same diff really. |
| 02:44 | < maoranma> | Sooo, do we know you? :) |
| 02:44 | < McMartin> | Yes, I'm McMartin. I've been here at least as long as TF or Vorn. |
| 02:44 | < McMartin> | You're Noah and I remember you vaguely. |
| 02:45 | < McMartin> | Though I've been through a few machines since then and I don't think I have the logs anymore. |
| 02:45 | < maoranma> | I'm not Noah. I'm Chrissy. |
| 02:45 | < maoranma> | Poisyn's daughter, Noah's wife. |
| 02:45 | < maoranma> | :) |
| 02:45 | < maoranma> | Like I said, I stole the computer. |
| 02:46 | < ToxicFrog> | Well. Pleased to meet you, Chrissy :) |
| 02:46 | < maoranma> | You too! |
| 02:46 | < maoranma> | I think he's going to kick me off in a second. |
| 02:46 | <~Vornicus> omg chrissy too |
| 02:47 | < maoranma> | lol, Vorn...was wondering iffen you were paying attention |
| 02:47 | < maoranma> | Or even remembered little ol me. |
| 02:47 | < McMartin> | Ah, OK. |
| 02:47 | < McMartin> | I'm not sure I knew you. |
| 02:47 | | * Vornicus went to snuggle his girlfriend. |
| 02:47 | < maoranma> | I dunno. Noah was a gamer...I was just the crazy daughter of an even crazier admin. |
| 02:47 | < maoranma> | Noah hung out in all the cool channels. |
| 02:48 | < maoranma> | I just hung out in #Nightstar and the bar, CRFH and momma's channel. |
| 02:48 | < McMartin> | If you were in #crfh in the Most Ancient Days then our paths did cross. |
| 02:48 | < maoranma> | Ah crap |
| 02:48 | < maoranma> | He's staring at me. |
| 02:49 | < maoranma> | And yelling at me |
| 02:49 | < McMartin> | I date back to the DALnet days there, but vanished shortly afterwards. |
| 02:49 | < McMartin> | You have theived his computer! |
| 02:49 | < maoranma> | lol |
| 02:49 | < maoranma> | Well, I roleplayed as LadyTrigger on Dalnet back in the ancient days. |
| 02:49 | < maoranma> | And I idled on here usually as LadyTrigger or Chrissy |
| 02:50 | < maoranma> | I'm so excited about chatting that I'm periodically forgetting to hit the period key, lol. |
| 02:50 | < ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Our paths might have crossed in #crfh, then. It's been a while. |
| 02:51 | < maoranma> | Would have been ages ago. I've been off and on on Nightstar for the past 11-12 years. |
| 02:52 | < McMartin> | Yup. |
| 02:52 | < McMartin> | Sounds about right |
| 02:52 | < maoranma> | I was an IRCop for Trek and ... someone else. Then Poisyn got her own server, and she made me her IRCop too. She's mean, though, so I liked being Trek's ircop more. |
| 02:52 | | * McMartin joined Nightstar around... 2002? 2003? |
| 02:52 | < ToxicFrog> | I showed up, hrm, nine years ago or so? |
| 02:53 | < maoranma> | Noah and I have been together since I was like 11 ... so that was almost 14 years ago. |
| 02:53 | < maoranma> | So I've been on NS that long, since we met in the Bar. |
| 02:54 | < maoranma> | So, it's very possible that I've only briefly met yall, from my not so often visits between 2002 and 2005. |
| 02:54 | < maoranma> | I kind of fell out of contact for quite awhile. |
| 02:54 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 02:56 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 02:56 | < ToxicFrog> | I've been around pretty much without breaks, but I dropped out of #crfh and #nightstar_bar ages ago. |
| 02:58 | | * maoranma noddles |
| 02:58 | < maoranma> | Vorni remembers me, so I'm good. |
| 03:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Did #code even exist back then? |
| 03:06 | < maoranma> | Umm... |
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| 03:07 | < maoranma> | Noah says "not that I remember" |
| 03:23 | < ToxicFrog> | You know what sounds kind of appealing now? |
| 03:23 | < ToxicFrog> | Sleep. |
| 03:24 | < ToxicFrog> | Goodnight! Good talking to you :) |
| 03:25 | < kwsn> | night TF |
| 03:27 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|afk |
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| --- Log opened Sun Nov 20 03:35:26 2011 |
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| 04:02 | < maoranma> | Reiv? |
| 04:03 | < maoranma> | Who's Reiv? Now that I have my damn computer back. |
| 04:03 | < Derakon> | Reiver. |
| 04:03 | < Derakon> | (Hullo, Noah. Don't think I ever interacted with you much, but I remember the nick) |
| 04:04 | < maoranma> | Hmm, don't remember Reiver, but that ain't saying much |
| 04:04 | | maoranma is now known as Noah |
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| 04:22 | <@Reiver> | I am Reiver. |
| 04:22 | <@Reiver> | One of the First Founders of this channel. |
| 04:22 | < Derakon> | And inexplicable replacement for chanserv when it comes to opping its residents~ |
| 04:22 | | * Reiver sniggers |
| 04:22 | <@Reiver> | Yeah, I still don't know what's up there |
| 04:22 | <@Reiver> | I mean I'm not even the founder any more wtf |
| 04:23 | <@Reiver> | But hey. |
| 04:24 | | * Reiver is one of the younger Elder Gods we have, but an Elder God he remains. |
| 04:29 | | * Reiver ponders |
| 04:29 | | * Reiver pokes Vorn for MATH |
| 04:29 | <@Reiver> | So, a theoretical exersize: You have an average of 8.2 in a sample set of 6 values, 4 of which are 10. |
| 04:30 | <@Reiver> | What's the average of the other two to drag it down that far? |
| 04:30 | | * Reiver is struggling to figure the math you'd use. |
| 04:45 | < Derakon> | (40 + 2x) / 6 = 8.2 |
| 04:45 | < Derakon> | ((8.2 * 6) - 40) / 2 = x |
| 04:50 | <~Vornicus> just like that |
| 04:52 | < Noah> | Bleh, math |
| 04:53 | < Noah> | Just got done with Problem Solving class, now I have College Math I next |
| 04:54 | <@Reiver> | ... algebra. |
| 04:54 | <@Reiver> | Of course |
| 04:54 | | * Reiver is a little ashamed to have realised~ |
| 04:55 | < Derakon> | :) |
| 04:55 | <@Reiver> | Average: 4.6. Not a good sign~ |
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