| --- Log opened Fri Aug 26 00:00:26 2011 |
| 00:05 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
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| 00:25 | <@McMartin> | Oh hey, it's Linux's 20-year anniversary today. |
| 00:29 | <@Tamber> | ...huh. |
| 00:29 | <@Tamber> | Wow, it's really been /that long/ since '91? |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | It has indeed! |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | It is now 2011. |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | GLORIOUS FUTURE YEAR 2011. |
| 02:08 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 02:08 | <@Derakon> | Evening, all. |
| 02:08 | <@Derakon> | Today's house project: destroying fifty-year-old linoleum tiles. |
| 02:09 | <@Derakon> | Everything I'd read online was going on about how this was such a pain to deal with, but I guess they just weren't waiting long enough~ |
| 02:09 | <@Derakon> | About an hour's work with a scraper and I've pulled up and/or shattered all of the tiles in a ~100-square-foot room. |
| 02:10 | <@Derakon> | Oh wait, this is #code, not #fleet. Whups~ |
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| 06:32 | < AnnoDomini> | Is the latest HTML Turing-complete nowadays? |
| 06:34 | <@McMartin> | Has been ever since <script> became standard~ |
| 06:38 | < AnnoDomini> | I meant on its own. I am informed that with CSS it is, but what about without it? |
| 06:39 | <@McMartin> | I'm not sure how that works with CSS either, so I dunno. |
| 06:39 | < AnnoDomini> | http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4222 |
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| 14:44 | | * TheWatcher gains a level in insanity, having now reached the point where he can write his own MediaWiki skins. |
| 14:45 | <@Reiver> | O.o |
| 14:47 | <@TheWatcher> | (It's actually surprisingly easy once you get around it) |
| 14:48 | <@TheWatcher> | *your head |
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| 19:20 | < Derakon> | I figured out why I was throwing an error condition yesterday with the 1024 characters after 'a'. |
| 19:20 | <@Tamber> | Oh? |
| 19:20 | < Derakon> | Microsoft's description of how wcstombs behaves when passed NULL as the target buffer doesn't match the behavior I'm seeing. |
| 19:20 | <@Tamber> | I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. |
| 19:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Le Gasp! |
| 19:21 | < Derakon> | (That is to say, if I pass NULL as the target buffer then I always get -1 returned, whereas MS's description says that -1 is returned only if there's an invalid character) |
| 19:23 | < Derakon> | This may be because I'm not generating the multibyte string properly though... |
| 19:23 | < Derakon> | I would have thought that doing "multiByteString[i] = 'a' + i" would work... |
| 19:30 | < Derakon> | ...hooray, now I'm doing "multiByteString[i] = L'a' + i" and I get bus errors. |
| 19:35 | < Derakon> | That's fixed, but I still get -1 from wcstombs. |
| 19:45 | < Derakon> | Have to wonder if my method for programmatically generating wide-character strings is invalid. |
| 19:46 | < Derakon> | Does this look wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/675450/ |
| 19:51 | < celticminstrel> | So, your goal is to create a multibyte string that's a subset of "abcdefghijk..."? |
| 19:51 | < celticminstrel> | ^subsequence |
| 19:51 | < Derakon> | This is just for testing purposes, but yes. |
| 19:51 | < celticminstrel> | Then yeah, I see nothing wrong with what you have. |
| 19:51 | < Derakon> | Ultimately I'll be calling an API that will be returning variable-length wide-character strings and I need to process those correctly. |
| 19:51 | < Derakon> | CM: well, then why is wcstombs(NULL, target, 0) returning -1 every time? |
| 19:52 | < celticminstrel> | Converting a char* to a wchar_t* can be done by a simple character-by-character copy. |
| 19:52 | < celticminstrel> | I have no idea. |
| 19:52 | < Derakon> | It's not the 0 either -- if I replace 0 with size then I still get -1. |
| 19:56 | < celticminstrel> | man tells me that it should return size-1 if successful and that the third argument is a limit on output size rather than the size of the input. |
| 19:57 | < Derakon> | Yes, but in the case of the first argument being NULL it's supposed to only return -1 if there's an unconvertable character. |
| 20:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: does wchar_t imply anything about the encoding? |
| 20:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | In particular, does it imply that all possible codepoints within its expressible range are valid? |
| 20:07 | < Derakon> | Are you asking if the encoding is sparse? |
| 20:08 | < Derakon> | I don't actually know, but I would assume that wchar_t, like most wide character sets, is a superset of something like Latin-1, which would make the lowercase alphabet compact (and that's all that I'm testing ATM). |
| 20:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think so? My main wonder is whether there exists some value i for which 'a' + i is an invalid character. |
| 20:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | (sanity check: if you know 'a' is convertable, make a string of all 'a' and see if wcstombs() still returns -1) |
| 20:10 | < Derakon> | It does. |
| 20:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Welp. |
| 20:11 | | Kindamoody|out is now known as Kindamoody |
| 20:11 | | * Derakon eyes this line, can't spot the syntax error before "int". |
| 20:11 | < Derakon> | printf("Test: %d vs. %d\n", int(L'a'), int('a')); |
| 20:12 | | * McMartin looks up |
| 20:12 | <@McMartin> | Windows wchar_t is not a superset of Latin-1. |
| 20:12 | <@McMartin> | It's UTF-16. |
| 20:12 | <@McMartin> | This is easily the single worst decision MS made in Windows NT. -_- |
| 20:15 | | * Derakon posts to stackoverflow, heads to lunch. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7209502/testing-wchar-t-for-convertable-chara cters |
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| 20:20 | <@McMartin> | Derakon: This is C, not Python. |
| 20:20 | <@McMartin> | (int)L'a', not int(L'a'). |
| 20:22 | <@McMartin> | Also, uh, in that sample code? You're never writing a terminator to target. |
| 20:22 | <@McMartin> | This may be why wcslen is returning craziness. |
| 20:23 | <@McMartin> | (Remember gamedev.net and its forums insistence that use of char * was a bug? Yeah.) |
| 20:23 | < celticminstrel> | Or compile as C++ so that the constructor notation works. :P |
| 20:36 | < Derakon> | McM: ah, right, thanks. |
| 20:36 | < Derakon> | Okay, lack of terminator was the problem. |
| 20:38 | < Derakon> | I wouldn't use char* if I didn't have to. :\ |
| 20:39 | < Derakon> | AFAICT it's the only way to generate Python strings. |
| 20:41 | < Derakon> | Also, int L'a' == int 'a' |
| 20:41 | < Derakon> | At least in OSX. |
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| 20:50 | < celticminstrel> | Yes it does. |
| 20:54 | < celticminstrel> | Okay, under Repository there's an "Edit default relationships" option, which appears to be for specifying dependencies. I have a few questions. 1) Should I include dependencies required for compile, or only dependencies required for running the plugin? 2) Does that fact that I used an external repository mean I shouldn't use this at all? 3) Must the dependency have a project page on BukkitDev before I can add it? |
| 20:55 | < celticminstrel> | Question 1 is more about the definition of optional vs required, because it's optional to run it but required to compile it. |
| 20:55 | < celticminstrel> | Aaaand I posted in completely the wrong channel. Yay. |
| 20:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: if this is about linux package management I can probably answer it~ |
| 20:58 | < celticminstrel> | It's not, though I dunno; your answer may be enlightening anyway. |
| 20:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, for (1), it's traditional to release two packages per project, source and binary; the former lists as dependencies everything required to compile, the latter, everything required to run. |
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| 21:00 | < celticminstrel> | I see. |
| 21:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | In general, the rule of thumb is "after dependency resolution, you should need to install anything else to use this", where the meaning of "use" varies depending on whether it's a binary or source package. |
| 21:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 21:11 | | * Derakon amuseds at a comment he just wrote: "Make room for the terminator". |
| 21:11 | <@McMartin> | He'll be (at the) back |
| 21:12 | <@McMartin> | Also a reminder that one object owns another object if it destroys that object along every possible run. |
| 21:12 | <@McMartin> | PWNZ3D |
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| 22:16 | | * TheWatcher eyes the mediawiki foundation |
| 22:17 | <@TheWatcher> | You dozy sods. |
| 22:18 | <@TheWatcher> | They only set up svg rendering using imagemagick in a way that makes all images have white backgrounds, even if the svg has a transparent one |
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| 23:05 | < gnolam> | Ooh, neat, there's a Python DICOM module. |
| 23:06 | < gnolam> | (I seem to have landed another small gig for the department during the conference) |
| 23:16 | | * Derakon mutters at his boss. |
| 23:17 | < Derakon> | He's been asking me to add access to the set_accel function for one of our hardware devices, despite the fact that any actual use of that ability is at least a couple of months out. He's been pestering me about this for weeks. |
| 23:17 | < Derakon> | So finally, to shut him up, I do it. What's the first thing he says? "But what about the ability to set the jerk [rate of change in acceleration]?" |
| 23:18 | < Derakon> | Notably absent: any semblance of the words "thank" and "you". |
| 23:18 | < Derakon> | No goddamn respect. |
| 23:18 | <@TheWatcher> | :/ |
| 23:18 | < Derakon> | Also! He complains when I mention I've been thinking about some other problems we'll have to deal with a bit more imminently, just because we aren't immediately ready to work on them. |
| 23:22 | <@Tarinaky> | :( |
| 23:24 | < Derakon> | (Also also, setting the jerk is pointless. It's just a knob he wants to be able to fiddle; it's not going to actually affect anything) |
| 23:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Sounds like he's a complete knob-fiddler, really. |
| 23:26 | <@Tamber> | ^ |
| 23:27 | < Derakon> | Pretty much, yeah. |
| 23:31 | <@McMartin> | FROBNICATION. |
| 23:31 | <@McMartin> | I MUST TURN THIS DIAL BECAUSE TURNING DIALS IS FUN. |
| 23:35 | < Derakon> | Well, more like it's something he doesn't control, so he's applying something he does control (i.e. me) to get control of it. |
| 23:35 | < Derakon> | How dare there be devices that do not bow to his will etc. |
| 23:35 | <@Tamber> | Is his hair pointy, by any chance? |
| 23:35 | < Derakon> | Frizzled and balding, really. |
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| --- Log closed Sat Aug 27 00:00:40 2011 |