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| --- Day changed Sat Jul 16 2011 |
| 00:00 | < McMartin> | Domain-Specific Language |
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| 00:13 | | * kwsn waves |
| 00:15 | < kwsn> | WARNING: INCOMING ALLCAPS RANT |
| 00:15 | < kwsn> | WHY THE FUCK, DO YOU 1 BASE ONE PART OF A COMMAND AND MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE 0 BASE... SENSE IT MAKES NOT |
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| 00:36 | <@froztbyte> | kwsn: we must be able to logically separate them, of course! |
| 00:37 | < kwsn> | froztbyte: this was in a partitioning utility |
| 00:37 | < kwsn> | if you wanted to delete a partition on an mbr disk, it was 1 based |
| 00:37 | < kwsn> | gpt? |
| 00:37 | < kwsn> | 0 based |
| 00:37 | < kwsn> | everything else? |
| 00:37 | < kwsn> | 0 based |
| 00:37 | <@froztbyte> | hehe |
| 00:38 | < McMartin> | Maybe the MBR is on a GPT and thus is secretly #0? |
| 00:38 | <@froztbyte> | it's ~02h00 here, so my mind can rationalise that into "it's obviously like error codes. 0 means properly usable, 1 means no partition!" |
| 00:38 | <@froztbyte> | but that's pretty insane |
| 00:39 | < kwsn> | heh |
| 00:39 | < kwsn> | the comment even said he was 0 basing it |
| 00:39 | < kwsn> | *1 basing |
| 00:39 | < kwsn> | i'm like |
| 00:39 | < kwsn> | wtf |
| 00:40 | < McMartin> | More seriously |
| 00:40 | < McMartin> | MBRs are *old* |
| 00:40 | < McMartin> | Old enough that 1-based indexing might still have been The Way. |
| 00:40 | < McMartin> | Since GPTs and MBRs are partition tables, it's possible their specs are what indicate the indexing. |
| 00:41 | < kwsn> | mbr is 0 based from what i can tell, all the other mbr code treats it as 0 |
| 00:41 | < kwsn> | fuck |
| 00:41 | < kwsn> | the call to delete the partition in the table? num - 1 |
| 00:41 | < kwsn> | i'm like .... WHAT |
| 00:46 | < Derakon> | ...how sad is this? I just realized that casting objects to types in programming is a pun on typecasting in acting. |
| 00:46 | < Derakon> | Well, not pun, but play. |
| 00:57 | < ToxicFrog> | ...I never realized that |
| 00:59 | < Derakon> | Oh, TF, I meant to show you this: https://gitorious.org/nethack-tas-tools/mainline/blobs/master/turnbyturn.txt |
| 00:59 | < Derakon> | It's a turn-by-turn description of a TAS of NetHack (incomplete, sadly). |
| 00:59 | < Derakon> | Including many amusing strategies. |
| 01:00 | < Derakon> | For example, did you know that negative gold has negative weight? |
| 01:02 | < ToxicFrog> | This is a glitch TAS, then~ |
| 01:02 | < Derakon> | Just a bit, yes. |
| 01:02 | < Derakon> | There's apparently a glitch involving cream pies that they're explicitly not using since it breaks the game wide open. |
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| 02:07 | | * McMartin gets around to actually reading through this JavaScript book. |
| 02:07 | < McMartin> | This is JS with an extremely strong Scheme accent. |
| 02:07 | < McMartin> | It is beautiful and terrifying, and it speaks to the darkest corners of my soul. |
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| 02:09 | < McMartin> | ... and now he's doing currying |
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| 02:09 | < McMartin> | "JavaScript does not have a curry method, but we can fix that by augmenting Function.prototype..." |
| 02:34 | < ToxicFrog> | o.O |
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| 02:41 | < McMartin> | JS does assignable closures "right", by which I mean "like Scheme", and he spends a full chapter implementing a prototype-based system of full inheritance with private data hidden within constructor closures. |
| 02:41 | < McMartin> | This book needs to be read aloud with tesla coils sparking in the background |
| 02:41 | < McMartin> | I was kind of hoping this book would give me a decent discipline for writing JS in. Given my functional bent, however, it is instead a dark grimoire full of awesome things I should never let myself touch. |
| 02:42 | < McMartin> | Except for Object.create(), which is what JS should have done in the first place~ |
| 02:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Heeee. |
| 02:47 | < ToxicFrog> | How does Scheme do it? Or rather, how does the way it does it differ from other closure semantics? |
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| 03:12 | < McMartin> | In Python, upvalues are read-only. |
| 03:12 | < McMartin> | In Scheme, assigning to an upvalue modifies the upvalue in the upvalue's scope, instead of making a local shadow copy. |
| 03:12 | < McMartin> | JS tracks this. |
| 03:12 | < McMartin> | Anyway, for the record |
| 03:13 | < McMartin> | var createFrom = function (o) { var F = function () {}; F.prototype = o; return new F(); }; |
| 03:13 | < McMartin> | This is The One True OO Function for JS. |
| 03:13 | < McMartin> | y = createFrom(x) makes y be a new object with x as its prototype object. |
| 03:14 | < McMartin> | Which is to say, what obviously should have been the primitive in the first place, and which tracks Game Maker~ |
| 03:15 | < McMartin> | Of course, since the author here is barking mad he shoves this into Object's namespace instead of making it a utility function like a remotely sane person |
| 03:16 | < McMartin> | (To finish the earlier answer, it is not uncommon for upvalues to be read-only and attempted modifications to make a shadow copy. Python errors out if you try and bitches at you for not using objects) |
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| --- Log opened Sat Jul 16 06:13:36 2011 |
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| --- Log opened Sat Jul 16 08:06:08 2011 |
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| 15:46 | | * TheWatcher stabs html and css |
| 15:47 | < TheWatcher> | It should not be this sodding difficult to vertically centre a table, damnit |
| 15:48 | | * kwsn is glad she doesn't do webdev |
| 16:04 | < TheWatcher> | Fuck this shit |
| 16:04 | | * TheWatcher drops in some javascript to do the job |
| 16:05 | < kwsn> | :P |
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| 20:04 | | * kwsn grumbles about random BSODs |
| 20:25 | | * gnolam eyes Google+. |
| 20:25 | < gnolam> | Spamming? Really? |
| 20:30 | < kwsn> | spamming what? |
| 20:31 | < gnolam> | They send out unsolicited e-mails. |
| 20:31 | < kwsn> | heh |
| 20:32 | < gnolam> | And that's low. Even for New Google. |
| 20:32 | | * kwsn checks her inbox |
| 20:33 | < kwsn> | new google? |
| 20:33 | < kwsn> | no email here |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | gnolam: What'd you get sent? |
| 20:35 | < gnolam> | New Google. The "On second thought, /Do/ Be Evil" Google. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | You're the first I've heard to mention it. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | Hmm. I assume you have something particular in mind? |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | Normally I write it off as the kind of "It's hip to hate Google" thing that's going around |
| 20:36 | < gnolam> | They apparently do that annoying-as-fuck "harvest e-mail contacts and then send out '$USER has shared $X with you'" thing. |
| 20:36 | | * kwsn hated google before it was hip to >_> |
| 20:36 | < kwsn> | actually i don't hate google, i just don't care for it |
| 20:38 | < Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 20:38 | < kwsn> | yeah |
| 20:38 | < Namegduf> | That is uncharacteristically obnoxious. |
| 20:38 | < kwsn> | heh |
| 20:39 | < Namegduf> | Well, obnoxious isn't that unusual recently, but it's normally isolated to their UI design people |
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| 21:40 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gnolam: I've seen complaints about that before. It's intended to help bridge to people that aren't signed up, but... obviously does it in the completely wrong w ay |
| 21:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And it requires the user select people that aren't on google+ |
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| 22:53 | < gnolam> | ... and in related "make a bad service even worse" news, Steam has now apparently removed the ability to view just patch notes instead of all the other crap completely. |
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