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| 03:17 | < Derakon> | What was the stuff supposed to go to? |
| 03:18 | < Derakon> | Mischan. |
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| 04:03 | | * Derakon eyes OSX. |
| 04:04 | < Derakon> | One of my folders has a generic "document" icon instead of a folder icon, and when I try to open it I get prompted for which program I want to use. |
| 04:04 | < Derakon> | Terminal interacts with it normally, so what the heck. |
| 04:06 | < Derakon> | I have to right click and do "show package contents" to actually look inside it. Weird. |
| 04:06 | | * Derakon shrugs, makes a new directory, moves everything from old to new, deletes old, problem solved. |
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| 04:53 | < celticminstrel> | Somehow it got marked as a package. Odd. |
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| 09:52 | | * Tamber boggles |
| 09:53 | < Tamber> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582032 Closed because it's a duplicate of itself? o.O Have they closed the entire bugtracker that way? :? |
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| 14:18 | < gnolam> | So apparently, there is no good music player for Linux. |
| 14:19 | < gnolam> | I tried Audacious as well. And it too was full of Fail. |
| 14:19 | | * Tamber despairs at file locking on *nix |
| 14:19 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: I'm pretty sure I said that about 3 days ago |
| 14:19 | <@froztbyte> | (both about the music players and Audacious specifically) |
| 14:19 | < Tamber> | And this is why there are so many of them? :p |
| 14:20 | < gnolam> | With that many players, you'd think that one of them would get it right /by chance/ if nothing else. But no. |
| 14:22 | < Tamber> | What in particular are you after? |
| 14:23 | < gnolam> | Something light-weight (no "we really want to emulate iTunes in every way" behemoths) without crippling bugs or UI deficiencies. That's usable on a netbook. |
| 14:24 | < gnolam> | (Again: what the fuck is up with Linux GUI developers and setting minimum window sizes?) |
| 14:24 | < Tamber> | Ah. |
| 14:24 | < Tamber> | Of course, I'd have to know what you mean by "UI deficiencies", since I'm obviously full of Fail too, because I like Audacious. ;) |
| 14:24 | < Rikushadow5> | Ya looking for an Audio editing program, or just a Music Player? |
| 14:25 | < gnolam> | Where crippling UI deficiencies include such things as "having no search function" (Audacious), a broken search function (gmusicbrowser) or no random play function (gmusicbrowser, again). |
| 14:25 | < Tamber> | Ah. |
| 14:25 | < gnolam> | Music player. |
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| 14:26 | < gnolam> | This is not rocket surgery. There /should/ be one. But there doesn't appear to be. |
| 14:26 | < Rikushadow5> | Just use the Movie Player |
| 14:26 | | * Tamber throws mpd at gnolam, runs. |
| 14:26 | < Rikushadow5> | It's got all of those things. Except maybe a search function. |
| 14:26 | < Rikushadow5> | I wouldn't know |
| 14:26 | < Rikushadow5> | I don't use it. I just drag/drop the music I wanna play. |
| 14:26 | <@froztbyte> | Rikushadow5: I.....wow |
| 14:26 | <@froztbyte> | Totem is like the greatest piece of shit *ever* made by the GNOME people |
| 14:27 | <@froztbyte> | Evolution comes a close second |
| 14:27 | < Tamber> | froztbyte, ...really? |
| 14:27 | < Rikushadow5> | whatever, man. |
| 14:27 | < Tamber> | I'd swear there's a lot more than that. :p |
| 14:27 | <@froztbyte> | yes |
| 14:27 | < Rikushadow5> | I just use the thing. |
| 14:27 | < Rikushadow5> | I plays the music, it does it on continuous loop. |
| 14:27 | <@froztbyte> | and then for some reason the KDE people made Dragon, which is basically the KDE equivalent of PieceOfShit(tm) |
| 14:28 | < Rikushadow5> | I'm not looking for rocket engineering programs. |
| 14:28 | < Rikushadow5> | I just play the music. |
| 14:28 | <@froztbyte> | Rikushadow5: so you haven't run into the pathetic audio locking issues, the lack of any reasonable customisation, the lack of a library feature, the thing memory-ballooning and raping your box, and all the other fun things it can do? |
| 14:28 | <@froztbyte> | you're very lucky then |
| 14:28 | < Rikushadow5> | Anyway, you might have it confused with something else. |
| 14:29 | < Rikushadow5> | Because I have no fucking clue what Totem is. |
| 14:29 | < Rikushadow5> | Never heard of it. |
| 14:29 | < Tamber> | Totem movie player? |
| 14:29 | < Tamber> | The default movie player in Gnome? |
| 14:29 | <@froztbyte> | no, I'm really quite sure that Fisher-Price: My First Audio App^W^W^W^W^W is what I'm talking about |
| 14:29 | < Rikushadow5> | Ah. |
| 14:29 | < Rikushadow5> | Yeah, that's probably what I've got. |
| 14:29 | <@froztbyte> | s/^W /^WTotem / |
| 14:29 | < Rikushadow5> | In that case, yes. I am remarkably lucky. |
| 14:30 | < Rikushadow5> | If only because I don't care about customization beyond "Shuffle Mode" and "Repeat Mode" |
| 14:31 | <@froztbyte> | (I'm so vocal about this because I hate how crap the software is, and believe that if it wasn't all so shit we'd have a lot more people using linux) |
| 14:31 | <@froztbyte> | ("the software" == a lot of the things in the default stack of "user" software) |
| 14:31 | < Rikushadow5> | True. I deleted a lot of the random crap that I didn't think I'd ever use in Ubuntu. |
| 14:32 | < Tamber> | Last time I tried that, it removed the entire desktop |
| 14:32 | <@froztbyte> | for instance, Evolution is made of concentrated fail. mbox storage? Really?! in 2011?! |
| 14:32 | < Tamber> | Hey, I /like/ mbox. |
| 14:32 | < Rikushadow5> | ...I didn't go around deleting things willy-nilly. |
| 14:32 | < Rikushadow5> | Anywho |
| 14:32 | <@froztbyte> | mbox is marginally better than outlook's PST approach |
| 14:32 | <@froztbyte> | and that doesn't say much |
| 14:32 | < Tamber> | Riku: Neither did I. I just tried to remove Evolution. |
| 14:32 | < Tamber> | It ripped out the entire of GNOME. |
| 14:32 | < Rikushadow5> | I'm short on sleep, and have lost track of what you people are talking about, so I hit the eject button on my seat in this conversation. |
| 14:33 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: yeah, because evolution has evolution-data-server, which is now somehow tied into the entire gnome notification stack |
| 14:33 | < Rikushadow5> | I will say this, though. |
| 14:34 | <@froztbyte> | I think around 2.22 or something they went to that mode where pidgin/empathy and friends were integrated into the bar up at the top, whatever that's called |
| 14:34 | < Tamber> | froztbyte, remember the Gnome philosophy. "Don't let the user customise anything, they'll only break it;" and "The user wants everything and the kitchen sink built in, even if they don't think they want it" |
| 14:34 | <@froztbyte> | so evolution and e-d-s is now a strongly referenced lib |
| 14:34 | < Tamber> | :p |
| 14:34 | < Rikushadow5> | I have a shitty computer. Something in ubuntu fucking it up isn't really of my concern, so long as I can reboot and resume what I was doing. |
| 14:34 | < Rikushadow5> | And that's the way I'll keep doing it until I get a new desktop. |
| 14:34 | < Rikushadow5> | And then my laptop will likely collect dust until I get into college |
| 14:34 | <@froztbyte> | which means if you want to remove it, you need to know what the hell you're doing |
| 14:35 | < Rikushadow5> | So then. |
| 14:35 | < Rikushadow5> | With those words |
| 14:35 | < Rikushadow5> | FWOOSH |
| 14:35 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: a philosophy I find *very* objectionable |
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| 14:35 | < Tamber> | froztbyte, I have a better solution. Never install the pile of shite, because you'll never ever ever manage to scrape it all back out again. :p |
| 14:35 | < Tamber> | And indeed. |
| 14:35 | <@froztbyte> | what is why I advocate people to go to KDE instead of Pile-Of-Cocks^WGNOME |
| 14:37 | <@froztbyte> | s/what/that\/which/ |
| 14:37 | <@froztbyte> | that's a remarkably bad bit of grammar compression there :P |
| 14:37 | | * Tamber 'll probably stick with E16 whilst trying to bash E17 into playing nice... |
| 14:38 | | * AnnoDomini had relatively few problems with GNOME. |
| 14:38 | <@froztbyte> | I wanted to use e17 and a few others, but it's just so much effort to make it all work well and not look like ass :( |
| 14:38 | < Tamber> | froztbyte, when did you last try it? |
| 14:38 | < AnnoDomini> | Not more than I expected using Linux, that is. |
| 14:38 | <@froztbyte> | 'bout a year ago |
| 14:39 | < Tamber> | Yeah, might have improved a bit since then. (I don't know what state it was in then, but there's a lot of development going on~) |
| 14:39 | <@froztbyte> | a few years ago I used to use blackbox on windows and my earlier linux desktops, but since things had become more tricky to maintain, I've had less care for it |
| 14:39 | <@froztbyte> | especially so with the changes in windowing systems and such |
| 14:41 | < gnolam> | My experiences with KDE 4 were less than stellar, even besides the bugs and performance issues. |
| 14:42 | < gnolam> | When I tried it last, they had failed at pretty much everything from the graphical design to the way settings worked. |
| 14:43 | <@froztbyte> | when was this? |
| 14:43 | < gnolam> | A year ago, maybe two? |
| 14:44 | <@froztbyte> | mmmm |
| 14:44 | <@froztbyte> | two years ago would've been in the very early days of KDE4 |
| 14:45 | < gnolam> | It was enough to tell me that its developers had no clue what they were doing. |
| 14:45 | <@froztbyte> | 4.0 was pretty much the equivalent of a tech demo (I think they even marketed it as such), 4.1 was "stablizing", 4.2 and 4.3 they were busy rolling out some of the new ideas in full |
| 14:45 | <@froztbyte> | 4.4 is a pretty good experience of everything pulled together |
| 14:45 | <@froztbyte> | before then they were still busy porting code for apps and getting all the nigglies out the way |
| 14:45 | < gnolam> | I think it was 4.2. And it was shite. |
| 14:46 | < Tamber> | http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4e107233107808.57070489.png :D |
| 14:46 | <@froztbyte> | 4.5 is pretty nice, and I think it's the last one I've used |
| 14:46 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: yeah, 4.0 through to 4.2 would have been a very shit experience if you weren't aware of what was going on |
| 14:47 | < gnolam> | ... aware of what was going on? |
| 14:47 | <@froztbyte> | I recall actually having a few scripts around to fix shit I had to deal with |
| 14:47 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: in terms of getting everything up to date, getting apps ported, etc |
| 14:47 | < gnolam> | There are no excuses for rolling out what I tried. |
| 14:47 | <@froztbyte> | they were switching out a /lot/ of shit |
| 14:48 | <@froztbyte> | (and iirc, they did tell distros that things were in flux, warning them to not just willy-nilly push those versions out into production) |
| 14:48 | < Tamber> | ...which then happened. |
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| 14:48 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber: yeah well, retards gonna reet... |
| 14:49 | < gnolam> | KDE |
| 14:49 | < Tamber> | :p |
| 14:49 | < gnolam> | KDE's website proudly marketed it as a fine and dandy desktop environment ready for use at the time. |
| 14:49 | < gnolam> | So don't try to shift the blame to the distros. |
| 14:49 | <@froztbyte> | I honestly don't get people's fascination with having to run the absolute very latest version sometimes |
| 14:49 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: *shrug* |
| 14:50 | < gnolam> | Anyway. |
| 14:50 | < gnolam> | This is purely academic anyway. |
| 14:50 | < gnolam> | As this computer can't run KDE. |
| 14:51 | < gnolam> | And I have no plans on running Linux on my main one. |
| 15:21 | | * Tamber swears at the horrible mess that is file locking on Linux/UNIX. |
| 15:21 | < Tamber> | I'll need a time machine and a cricket bat, I think. |
| 15:22 | <@froztbyte> | what are you dealing with? |
| 15:22 | < Tamber> | At the moment, shaving a yak. |
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| 18:29 | < Birds> | Hey, dudes, we're having a vaguely technological dispute over in #Politics. The point of contention is whether any one nation/country has the infrastructure/manpower/technology to produce a modern computer without outsourcing. |
| 18:30 | < Tamber> | Hmmm. |
| 18:30 | < Kazriko> | I suspect that as long as you're talking Mainframes and the like, probably yes. Consumer grade equipment is too low-priced to manufacture on-shore... China could probably produce a MIPS based computer all in their own country. |
| 18:31 | < Tamber> | Haven't they pretty much done that anyway? |
| 18:31 | < Kazriko> | yeah. |
| 18:31 | < Tamber> | (Although I don't actually know where they sourced *all* their components) |
| 18:31 | < Kazriko> | Not sure if the MIPS computer they made is really "modern" though. |
| 18:31 | < Tamber> | Depends on how you define 'modern'. |
| 18:32 | < Kazriko> | but Mainfraims, Z series computers, IBM can probably produce one almost entirely in the US. |
| 18:32 | < Birds> | Dude defined it as 'anything since Intel stopped calling their processors Pentium'. |
| 18:32 | < Kazriko> | That still leaves MIPS as a gray area. |
| 18:33 | < Tamber> | Leaves the entire conversation as a grey area. |
| 18:33 | < Kazriko> | With Sony's plant, they could produce CELL cpus, and if they were willing to look, I suspect most of the components could be traded out for domestic equivs in japan. |
| 18:33 | < Kazriko> | to produce a PS3 compatible system. |
| 18:33 | < Birds> | Okay. Next: Given some time for retooling following a Warp Storm that strands them alone in space, would a country be able to replicate the capability to produce these machines by themselves? |
| 18:33 | < Kazriko> | but it'd be a low-volume operation. |
| 18:34 | < Tamber> | "anything since"? Well, the Godson series of processors have been produced after that~ I'm fairly sure they produce a fair amount of flash and RAM... |
| 18:34 | < Kazriko> | China, Japan, US, yes. The EU, probably. Ireland, maybe. Israel, probably. |
| 18:35 | | * Tamber idly notes that 'the EU' isn't a country; grey area there. |
| 18:35 | < Kazriko> | Anyone that has a chip fab could probably build the rest given time. |
| 18:35 | < Kazriko> | That's why I broke Ireland out separately. |
| 18:35 | < Kazriko> | Germany has chip fabs, I think. |
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| 18:35 | < Tamber> | You'd need to break it out into the separate member states (i.e. countries), see... :p |
| 18:36 | < Kazriko> | There was a time when the US wouldn't be a country if the EU can't be considered one. :) |
| 18:36 | < Tamber> | Birds, "no, because the materials they need to produce things aren't available, by dint of them being /in space/" |
| 18:36 | < Kazriko> | Yeah, that's a big one. |
| 18:36 | < Birds> | Tamber: Haha. |
| 18:36 | < Kazriko> | Though, asteroids, etc? maybe. |
| 18:37 | < Kazriko> | If we said they had a source of materials where they ended up... |
| 18:37 | < Tamber> | Maybe. |
| 18:37 | < Birds> | Let's say that instead of space, they're put on Alpha Centauri. Would they be able to get back to computing easily enough, provided they can fend off the teeming masses of mindworms? |
| 18:37 | < Tamber> | Kazriko, ah, but are each of the US states countries by themselves? :p |
| 18:37 | < Kazriko> | if you only had the natural resources of that country, then some countries would have trouble. Japan, ireland, israel all probably don't have the resources. |
| 18:38 | < Kazriko> | Tamber, they were at one point. |
| 18:38 | < Tamber> | Indeed. |
| 18:38 | < Tamber> | Hmm. |
| 18:38 | < Tamber> | Anywho~ |
| 18:38 | < Kazriko> | Texas and California, along with the first 13 colonies were all their own countries at first. |
| 18:38 | < Kazriko> | The US and China both have sources for rare earths and other things they'd need domestically. |
| 18:40 | < Birds> | I see. |
| 18:40 | < Kazriko> | China at least would be able to build a computer that's better than what we had in 1995. :) |
| 18:40 | < Tamber> | Well, considering what they're doing with MIPS at the moment... yeah. |
| 18:41 | < Kazriko> | it's less a matter of instantly getting to the same tech level, and more of restarting the march forward to new tech levels... If they can build older systems, they can work their way to newer ones over time. |
| 18:41 | | * Birds nods. |
| 18:42 | < Kazriko> | US would be able to produce big systems, but it'd take time to produce consumer level stuff again. All the tech is here, it's just a tooling problem. |
| 18:43 | < Birds> | For the curious, we were arguing what technology level means. The other guy said that technology constitutes access to the science behind it, so tech level is global in our world with some minor exceptions. My stance was that it constitutes the manpower, infrastructure and science, thereby technology level being much more diverse across the globe. |
| 18:43 | < Kazriko> | Israel'd be pretty well off, but they'd need external resources. Ireland was a big chip place in the 90's and early 2000's, so they'd be a little worse off than china. |
| 18:44 | < Kazriko> | well, there's scientific tech level and infra level... |
| 18:44 | < Kazriko> | They'd have most, but not all of the science to produce that stuff, but they have to bootstrap themselves up to it through iterative improvement. |
| 18:44 | < Kazriko> | much of it is tied up in corporate secrets as well. |
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| 18:44 | < ErikMesoy> | Whereas if you moved Somalia, paragon of dysfunctional countries, to Alpha Centauri... |
| 18:45 | < Kazriko> | Here's another to throw in the mix. Saudi Arabia / UAE / etc. They have high end chip fabs just like Israel... but built by AMD. |
| 18:45 | < Kazriko> | yeah, they'd collapse back into tribalism. |
| 18:45 | < Birds> | You mean they haven't already? :P |
| 18:45 | < Kazriko> | even worse. |
| 18:46 | < Kazriko> | they wouldn't have external sources for high tech goods (low end ones, dug out of others trash. ;) |
| 18:46 | < ErikMesoy> | Would the collapse stop above or below electricity? |
| 18:46 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm not sure how hard brain drain has hit Somalia. |
| 18:46 | < Kazriko> | they couldn't produce the electricity after whatever generators or solar panels they have die. |
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| 18:47 | < Kazriko> | they don't have the resources to produce either of those. |
| 18:48 | < ErikMesoy> | How about steam engines and Centauri coal? |
| 18:49 | < AnnoDomini> | I think they'd manage to keep gunpowder and AK production. |
| 18:49 | < AnnoDomini> | I am assuming, however, that they'd have some sort of technology that saves them from the Planet's atmosphere, which is not breathable by humans. |
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| 19:13 | | * Derakon mutters at OSX, wonders how the hell copying his own home directory can fail from permissions problems. |
| 19:14 | < Derakon> | I'm trying to transfer my home directory over to a new computer via an ad-hoc Firewire network. |
| 19:15 | < Derakon> | sudo cp -r in Terminal a) prints warnings about causing a cycle (presumably due to symlinks) and b) seems to hang partway through; I left it to run overnight and it only managed 20GB. |
| 19:15 | < Derakon> | Copying in the UI gives up after, again, about 20GB while printing a permissions error. |
| 19:20 | < ToxicFrog> | Never use cp -r for this. |
| 19:20 | < ToxicFrog> | Use cp -a, or better yet, rsync -a. |
| 19:21 | < Derakon> | I admit I've never used rsync before. |
| 19:22 | < ToxicFrog> | For this: rsync -avvPh /path/to/old/home/directory/ /path/to/new/home/directory/, with the trailing slashes. |
| 19:22 | < Derakon> | "-a: archive mode; equals -rlptgoD" |
| 19:22 | < ToxicFrog> | (in both cp and rsync, "-r" is simple recursion, "-a" is "archive" - preserve sym- and hardlinks, permissions, and timestamps) |
| 19:22 | < Derakon> | "(no -H,-A,-X)" |
| 19:22 | < Derakon> | No hax plz |
| 19:23 | < ToxicFrog> | rlptgoD are recursive, links, permissions, timestamps, group, owner, and device/special status. |
| 19:23 | < Derakon> | Roger. |
| 19:23 | < ToxicFrog> | HAX are hardlinks, ACLs, and xattrs. |
| 19:24 | < Derakon> | Hope this works... |
| 19:25 | < Derakon> | ...is rsync breadth-first? |
| 19:25 | < ToxicFrog> | I have no idea, actually. |
| 19:25 | < Derakon> | I see it's replicated every file and directory at the root level of my home directory already, but hasn't filled everything in yet. |
| 19:26 | < ToxicFrog> | (if it doesn't work, it will at least give more useful feedback than cp and is fully resumable) |
| 19:30 | < ToxicFrog> | (rsync is pretty much fantastic whenever you need to move large amounts of data) |
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| 19:44 | < Derakon> | 35GB so far. |
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| 20:26 | | * Derakon watches rsync's output scroll past. |
| 20:26 | < Derakon> | Good gravy I have a lot of HL2 saves. |
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| 22:19 | < Derakon> | According to du, my home directory is 141GB. So how come I've transferred 143GB so far...? |
| 22:20 | < Derakon> | Oh, hey, block size. |
| 22:20 | < Derakon> | That's probably it. |
| 22:20 | < jerith> | 10**3 vs 2**10? |
| 22:20 | < Derakon> | No, I'm gauging transfer amount using du as well. |
| 22:20 | < jerith> | Ah. |
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| 22:59 | < Derakon> | "some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors)" |
| 22:59 | < Derakon> | Guess I should've been capturing the output of rsync to a file, eh? |
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| 23:01 | < Derakon> | Oh, fortunately it's all still in the backbuffer. All...39MB of output. O_o |
| 23:01 | <@froztbyte> | it has a log option, iirc |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | (which works out better when you're also outputting status info to stdout) |
| 23:02 | <@froztbyte> | (for future reference) |
| 23:02 | < Derakon> | Yeah... |
| 23:02 | < Derakon> | Looks like every attempt to transfer a dotfile failed. Weird. |
| 23:03 | <@froztbyte> | might be a permissions thing |
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| 23:18 | < Derakon> | ...there's a .wine directory in my home directory containing 21GB of cruft. |
| 23:18 | < Derakon> | I don't even use WINE! I tried it and it didn't work! |
| 23:18 | < Tamber> | XD |
| 23:20 | < Derakon> | Right. Time, I think, to take down the old computer, rearrange my workspace, and start up the new one in its place. |
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| 23:37 | < Vornicus> | Der: WINE for mac I found hates it when it is in a directory with spaces. |
| 23:37 | < Vornicus> | Which is So Failcannon It Hurts. |
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| 23:45 | < Vornicus> | Der: WINE for mac I found hates it when it is in a directory with spaces. |
| 23:45 | < Vornicus> | Which is So Failcannon It Hurts. |
| 23:46 | < Derakon> | Whups! |
| 23:46 | < Vornicus> | I mean seriously how do you fuck that up, that makes no sense. |
| 23:46 | < Derakon> | Hey, you're an X-Chat junky. Is there some way to tell it to have a single window for "people in the channel that currently has focus"? |
| 23:46 | < Derakon> | I guess you forget to pipe your commandline stuff through an escape routine. |
| 23:47 | < Vornicus> | I am not an x-chat junky, and I'm still trying to figure out how you can tolerate that at all. |
| 23:47 | < Derakon> | Note I didn't say the input line. |
| 23:47 | < Derakon> | That takes up little enough space it doesn't bug me if there's one for every window. |
| 23:47 | < Derakon> | But the list of people in-channel is huge. |
| 23:47 | < Vornicus> | My question stands. |
| 23:48 | | * Derakon shrugs, settles for just making the userlist minimal; it can be retrieved when needed. |
| 23:48 | < Derakon> | (What do you use, then?) |
| 23:48 | < Vornicus> | mIRC |
| 23:48 | < Derakon> | Ewwww. |
| 23:50 | < Vornicus> | But anyway I am pretty sure the closest you'll get is hiding the userlist and having it pop up on demand somehow. |
| 23:52 | < Vornicus> | I need a queueing soda can dispenser that I cna put in my fridge. |
| 23:52 | < Derakon> | ...recommended way to change the short username in OSX: create a new user with the desired short name, copy the old user's home directory over. |
| 23:52 | < Derakon> | Sigh. |
| 23:53 | < Vornicus> | That sounds reasonable. |
| 23:54 | < Vornicus> | The user name is used in a lot of places; easier to let the creation tool handle that and then copy the home directory over than to build a thing that looks in all those places and changes it, especially as this is a Not Very Common operation. |
| 23:55 | < Derakon> | What was that rsync command from before? rsync -avvPh? |
| 23:55 | <@froztbyte> | yes |
| 23:55 | < Vornicus> | [14:22:03] <ToxicFrog> For this: rsync -avvPh /path/to/old/home/directory/ /path/to/new/home/directory/, with the trailing slashes. |
| 23:55 | < Derakon> | Danke. |
| 23:55 | | * froztbyte & |
| 23:58 | < RichardBarrell_m> | Add -H to that if you make any interesting use of hardlinks. |
| --- Log closed Mon Jul 04 00:00:20 2011 |