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| 00:02 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 00:03 | < ToxicFrog> | kwsn\fooding: every Blizzard RTS game, you mean~ |
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| 01:04 | < ToxicFrog> | This is irritating. |
| 01:04 | < McMartin> | ? |
| 01:04 | < ToxicFrog> | I want to create a user that can be logged in to over ssh using public key authentication, but not by any means using a password. |
| 01:05 | < ToxicFrog> | While leaving password authentication enabled for ssh in general. |
| 01:05 | < ToxicFrog> | The internet says "lock the account with passwd -l or by setting the password hash to '!'", but if I do that it won't let it log in even using keypair authentication. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Huh, that is the solution I would have personally expected to work. -_- |
| 01:08 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, ditto. |
| 01:08 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm pretty sure I remember it working at some point in the past, even |
| 01:08 | < ToxicFrog> | And I ended up setting the user's shell to "none" instead. |
| 01:09 | < ToxicFrog> | "nologin", rather. |
| 01:09 | < McMartin> | ... Is this for a tunneled SSH/SVN connection kind of thing? |
| 01:11 | < ToxicFrog> | Kind of. I want Freya to be able to remote-mount my games and media directories, but don't want the account it uses to do so to be generally accessible. |
| 01:11 | | * McMartin nods |
| 01:11 | < ToxicFrog> | The canonical way to do this is create the account, set up keypair authentication, and then make it impossible to log into the account in any other way. |
| 01:11 | | * McMartin thought a lot of those operations required a shell to work through, though. |
| 01:11 | < ToxicFrog> | There are actually specialized shells for this (rssh and scponly are the big ones) |
| 01:12 | < ToxicFrog> | Or did you mean the earlier one I mentioned? In that case I actually wanted to completely disable access for that user. |
| 01:12 | < McMartin> | aha |
| 01:12 | < ToxicFrog> | So I issued passwd -l and then found they could still log in using keypair. |
| 01:13 | < ToxicFrog> | Ok, it looks like what I actually wanted was "passwd -d" |
| 01:14 | | * McMartin ! at the Android docs |
| 01:14 | < ToxicFrog> | (-l is "prefix the password hash with !, making it invalid and conventionally indicating that the account is locked"; -d is "delete the password by replacing the password hash with an invalid one") |
| 01:14 | < ToxicFrog> | (presumsably at some point sshd was updated to reject logins to locked accounts even in the presence of a valid keypair) |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | They paid attention to the last 10 years of UI design after all. |
| 01:14 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh? |
| 01:15 | < McMartin> | Android 1.6 added the ability to use its declarative UI spec to set up event handlers within it. |
| 01:15 | < McMartin> | Instead of having to define a hojillion classes on your own. |
| 01:16 | < McMartin> | It's not clear from simple examination whether it's using Dalvik Reflection to do this, or if it's autogenerating the necessary classes with the relevant boilerplate code. |
| 01:16 | < ToxicFrog> | As in, the UI spec contains the code for the event handlers, not just the symbols? |
| 01:17 | < McMartin> | Normally, you would subclass android.view.View.OnClickListener and override public void onClick(View). |
| 01:18 | < McMartin> | In 1.6 the activity that is using your layout can define buttonZomg(View) or whatever and then the layout has in its XML represeentation <Button android:text="zOMG" android:onClick="buttonZomg" /> |
| 01:20 | < McMartin> | Of course, in practice, 1.5 is still out there in the field (though quite rare), so it's kind of a dick move to rely on it if you don't have to~ |
| 01:20 | < McMartin> | Java's got enough support for inline class definitions that it's probably more efficient and more compatible to do it the long way. |
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| 01:26 | | * ToxicFrog gets it working oh god this fstab is ugly |
| 01:27 | < ToxicFrog> | sshfs#emufun@orias:/usr/share/Games /home/freya/Games fuse ro,follow_symlinks,uid=freya,fsname=sshfs#emufun@orias:/usr/share/Media,user 0 0 |
| 01:27 | < ToxicFrog> | sshfs#emufun@orias:/usr/share/Media /home/freya/Media fuse ro,follow_symlinks,uid=freya,fsname=sshfs#emufun@orias:/usr/share/Media,user 0 0 |
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| 01:46 | < RichardB_> | McMartin: I thought that even Android 1.6 had only a vanishingly small market share now? |
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| 01:47 | < McMartin> | RichardB_: Yeah, going 2.1+ gets you 95% of the devices connecting to Market. |
| 01:48 | < McMartin> | Retrocoding habits die hard, though. If I can be backcompat at no cost (or, looking at the mechanics, an actual performance gain), why not? |
| 01:48 | < RichardB_> | Can't disagree with you. |
| 01:49 | < RichardB_> | I still hope that 2.1 dies out ASAP, though. |
| 01:49 | < McMartin> | Heh. |
| 01:49 | < McMartin> | Yeah, my "target API level" is going to be staying 2.2 |
| 01:49 | < RichardB_> | Its HTML5 Canvas2D context implementation is REALLY buggy. |
| 01:49 | < McMartin> | Since that's what my device actually *is*. |
| 01:49 | < RichardB_> | Where 2.2 is fine. |
| 01:49 | | * McMartin is still learning how to configure his little graphics demo to actually behave the way he wants on his phone. |
| 01:50 | | * RichardB_ found that out the "fun" way. |
| 01:50 | < McMartin> | Oh, do you have stuff written out in the wild? |
| 01:51 | < RichardB_> | I don't know if it's in the wild yet, but I do have stuff written "in anger" (i.e. commercially) targeting 2.1. |
| 01:51 | < McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:51 | < McMartin> | Fair enough |
| 01:51 | | * McMartin is still taking suggestions for Good Apps To Have. |
| 01:51 | < RichardB_> | Though I was targetting "phone with decent HTML5 support" rather than "Android" specifically. |
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| 01:52 | < RichardB_> | I think I know why Apple keep talking up HTML5 at the moment. |
| 01:52 | < McMartin> | Oh, it was a webapp intended to be reached from a phone? |
| 01:52 | < McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:52 | < McMartin> | 2.1 is still "only" like 25% of the market though. |
| 01:52 | < RichardB_> | It's not so much that Apple have any kind of long-term commitment to HTML5 (I don't think Apple would even know what a long-term commitment was if it bit them on the arse) but their HTML5-on-phones kind of kicks Android's arse. |
| 01:53 | < McMartin> | http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html |
| 01:53 | | * RichardB_ nodnod. |
| 01:54 | < RichardB_> | I think it was meant to be used as a component of phone apps. But you can write pretty good apps just by writing a thin wrapper of native (Java or obj-C as appropriate) code around a Webkit instance. |
| 01:54 | < RichardB_> | You try to put as much stuff as possible into that Webkit instance, since it's the portable part. |
| 01:55 | | * McMartin nods. Sensible |
| 01:55 | < McMartin> | Not so sensible for a graphics demo like this CCA thing, but~ |
| 01:55 | < RichardB_> | Oh yeah no. |
| 01:55 | < McMartin> | Though I'm still getting 50 FPS out of it despite using the "slow" path. |
| 01:55 | < RichardB_> | AIUI, nobody has WebGL on phones yet. |
| 01:56 | < RichardB_> | That's neat. :) |
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| 02:23 | | * McMartin experiments with the emulators to figure out how to get stuff to index right |
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| 03:15 | < McMartin> | Oop. That's a reason to actually use 1.6 instead of 1.5; 1.5 doesn't let you specify targetSdkVersion. That's kind of important. =P |
| 03:30 | | * ToxicFrog glares at DOSBOX |
| 03:31 | < ToxicFrog> | It could really use a way of specifying mount points relative to $HOME or $CONFIG. |
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| 03:34 | < ToxicFrog> | It also needs a way to specify which joystick to use. |
| 03:34 | < ToxicFrog> | I've got four connected to this machine and only one of them (not the one it autodetects) is the right one. |
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| 03:52 | < Reiver> | lolwut |
| 03:52 | < Reiver> | 4 joysticks? |
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| 04:06 | < ToxicFrog> | Reiver: the system in question is an emulation/gaming appliance. |
| 04:06 | < ToxicFrog> | And HTPC, with these latest modifications. |
| 04:06 | < ToxicFrog> | This means that it presently has two dance pads and two PS2 controllers connected to it, and may have more controllers affixed (for four-player games, or games that require different controls) as time passes. |
| 04:07 | < Reiver> | Aha. |
| 04:07 | < Reiver> | So, will it run Felt?~ |
| 04:08 | < ToxicFrog> | Yes, but you'd probably want a wiimote or similar, since Felt is mostly mouse-driven. |
| 04:08 | < Reiver> | That'd make sense. |
| 04:08 | < ToxicFrog> | And an HDTV. |
| 04:09 | < ToxicFrog> | (at present it's mostly used for playing DOS, SNES, Genesis, and PSX games, and watching downloaded TV) |
| 04:09 | | * Reiver nods |
| 04:09 | < Reiver> | That is rather awesome. |
| 04:09 | < Reiver> | Incidentally, I realised an interesting Trick that Ergo uses that may be useful to shove on the Pile Of Features: Wildcards in Ergo are resolved by going hunting for the proper card - first discards, then if needed, the main deck. |
| 04:10 | < Reiver> | (Which, I suspect, is why there's only one of each - they're nifty cards and you wish there were more, but it's to minimise the gameplay interruptions.) |
| 04:10 | < ToxicFrog> | "spread out deck to see everything in it at once" is already implemented. |
| 04:10 | < ToxicFrog> | "search deck by name" is not. |
| 04:11 | < ToxicFrog> | The former usually suffices, unless it's a really big deck or the cards are hard to distinguish. |
| 04:12 | < Reiver> | Aaaah |
| 04:12 | < Reiver> | Yeah, that'd work fine - quick manual hunt, followed by a reshuffle. |
| 04:12 | < Reiver> | Nice. |
| 04:13 | < ToxicFrog> | At this point, basically all of the underlying features needed to play Ergo (or most card games) are implemented. |
| 04:13 | < ToxicFrog> | The problem is that the actual server is lying all over my workbench in pieces. |
| 04:13 | < ToxicFrog> | And the UI needs some disentangling. |
| 04:14 | < Reiver> | And the client/server relationship needs Rubber Hosing. |
| 04:18 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, that's why the server is all taken to bits. |
| 04:20 | < Reiver> | OK, now I have visions of you bugfixing by waving rubber hoses at your hardware. |
| 04:21 | < Reiver> | Better yet is the next morning. |
| 04:21 | < Reiver> | IT BOOTS UP FINE OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN |
| 04:46 | | * Kazriko wonders if the hose is why it doesn't boot up fine... |
| 04:51 | | * McMartin declares himself basically done with https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/android/CCA.apk . |
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| 07:51 | < McMartin> | Hm. Fedora 15 looks like it's gonna be a flag day. |
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| 07:58 | < Vornicus> | a flag day? |
| 07:58 | < Vornicus> | ...where all the third graders get up and do stupid whole-class songs and projects? |
| 08:01 | < TheWatcher> | Sounds like redhat devs, yes~ |
| 08:02 | < McMartin> | "Everything breaks at once" |
| 08:02 | < McMartin> | GTK 3, GNOME 3, a bunch of new subsystems for config... |
| 08:02 | <@Namegduf> | GNOME 3? |
| 08:02 | <@Namegduf> | Huh. |
| 08:02 | < McMartin> | In other news, SpaceChem doesn't run acceptably on Carlsbad. =( |
| 08:02 | < McMartin> | (My MBP) |
| 08:03 | < TheWatcher> | ... |
| 08:03 | < TheWatcher> | they're insane |
| 08:06 | < TheWatcher> | on that note, commute time |
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| 14:08 | < TheWatcher> | ARGH, WTF, hwo is this even possible?! *headdesks at php* |
| 14:09 | < AnnoDomini> | You need more goats. |
| 14:24 | < gnolam> | That SCSI. |
| 14:24 | < gnolam> | *That's |
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