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| 04:58 | < kwsn> | my friend just got that much more awesome |
| 04:59 | < kwsn> | she's a business major and knows the freaking waterfail method is shit |
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| 06:27 | < shade_of_cpux> | Time to put my subconscious in a Mersenne twister. |
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| --- Log opened Sun Mar 27 14:03:27 2011 |
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| 17:05 | | * gnolam stabs Python for having "yield" as a keyword. |
| 17:08 | < Derakon> | Heh. |
| 17:08 | < Derakon> | What would you have it use for generator functions? |
| 17:10 | <@VornicusVashicus> | (if you really need to name something "yield" -- I've had this problem for the more pervasive "class" -- use "yield_") |
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| 18:07 | < Derakon> | I do admit it's a bit wierd that Python only differentiates between generators and normal functions by the former being able to yield. You'd think that you'd have to declare them differently or something. |
| 18:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | Is there a difference? |
| 18:10 | < Derakon> | Generally you invoke generator functions differently, though I suppose you don't have to. |
| 18:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | I always thought that the only distinction is that a "normal" function doesn't yield, and they're internally identical. |
| 18:10 | < celticminstrel> | No. |
| 18:11 | < celticminstrel> | If you invoke a generator function, you get a generator; the function effectively isn't even called until you start using the generator. |
| 18:12 | < celticminstrel> | To declare a generator function without using yield, you'd need to make it a class. |
| 18:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | So...a function with 'yield' (call it f) implicitly compiles into a function (f') that returns f when called? |
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| 18:40 | | * gnolam stabs Californium. |
| 18:41 | < kwsn> | ? |
| 18:42 | < gnolam> | It's messing up my unit test by having all sorts of weird decay modes. :P |
| 18:43 | < Tamber> | Damned reality, being all untidy and... so messy! |
| 18:43 | <@Namegduf> | I've been working on a way to destroy reality, but it's run into implementation issues. |
| 18:46 | < gnolam> | Arghl. And now the sorting order is off. For some reason, the ICRP file sorts the metastable isomers before the regular ones. |
| 18:57 | < celticminstrel> | Something like that, ToxicFrog. |
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| 20:44 | <@froztbyte> | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Mar/309 |
| 20:44 | <@froztbyte> | heehee |
| 20:46 | < Tamber> | Hehe. "Whoops" |
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| 21:06 | < kwsn> | heh |
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| 22:19 | < gnolam> | froztbyte: hah |
| 22:19 | < gnolam> | Oh hey, C++ 0x has been officially approved. |
| 22:23 | < gnolam> | Sadly, they're going to call it C++ 2011 and not C++ 0xB. |
| 22:24 | | * kwsn head desks |
| 22:25 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: what, they're seriously gonna call it that? |
| 22:25 | <@froztbyte> | how retarded |
| 22:25 | <@froztbyte> | that's like letting microsoft run the steering committee |
| 22:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...how is that worse than calling the C revisions C89 and C99? |
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| 22:43 | <@froztbyte> | those are still vaguely related, since they're incrementals |
| 22:43 | <@froztbyte> | now what will you do when 0x gets an incremental? re-release it as 2011-2, or 2014, or what? |
| 22:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | The latter, I'd assume. |
| 22:45 | <@froztbyte> | yar, that'd be my guess too. but now there's no direct implication of relation in the continuity |
| 22:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...what? |
| 22:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | I seriously do not understand what your complaint is |
| 22:46 | <@froztbyte> | I mean, if you think of the way 8086 was stepped up through the years, up until where people started [3456]86 and then now x86, there's a clearer line of relationship between them |
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| 22:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | C++2011 is/will be the updated version of the C++ standard released in 2011, in much the same way C89 and C99 are the 1989 and 1999 releases of the ANSI C standard. |
| 22:48 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, have they finally set a hard release date? |
| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: I'd never even checked the dates on those..I cede that point |
| 22:48 | | * froztbyte had always taken them to be direct revision counts |
| 22:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er, no. They're the years of release. |
| 22:49 | | * Vornicus gives all involved F77. |
| 22:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, the Fortran standards use the same naming conventions. |
| 22:50 | <@froztbyte> | I think we should rebrand all existing naming conventions and just give them all a uuid each |
| 22:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Generally language specs are named either by year of release (C, Fortran, Haskell) or by major-minor-dot version number (Scala, Python, Lua), although some (Scheme) use straight revision numbers. |
| 22:51 | <@froztbyte> | just, you know, 'cos we can |
| 22:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | (the main C versions, incidentally, are K&R, the original version described by Kernighan and Ritchie; C89, the 1989 ANSI standardization; and C99, the 1999 revision of same.) |
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| 22:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | (similarly, C++ is sometimes - when the need to distinguish between revisions is required - called "C++98") |
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| 23:57 | <@McMartin> | I wonder if we'll get a compliant reference compiler before 2020. |
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