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| 07:08 | < Tarinaky> | So I've got an interview to do CS in just shy of a month's time. Any suggestions on what to make sure I know? |
| 07:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | C. |
| 07:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Perl. |
| 07:26 | < Alek> | PHP. |
| 07:26 | < Alek> | Cisco. |
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| 09:15 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky: Define "interview to do CS". you mean as in a CS degree? |
| 09:15 | < Tarinaky> | Yes. |
| 09:15 | < Tarinaky> | Interview in the afternoon of a visit day to the University of kent. |
| 09:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Hm. Depends on the entrance people. IME, some of the things likely to make you look good are things like knowing the differences between different major programming paradigms (functional, imperative, OO, at least), grasp of mathematics, and enthusiastic interest. |
| 09:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Emphasising knowledge of specific languages may actually cause you problems, as the general consensus I've seen amongst people who teach such things is that students who come self-taught can actually be worse than students who knew nothing about it to begin with. Whether that is true or not, that's the prejudice I've seen over and over |
| 09:25 | < Tarinaky> | Right. |
| 09:26 | <@TheWatcher> | A good entry interviewer will usually prize the appearance of overall intelligence and /actually giving a shit/ |
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| 15:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | FUCK |
| 15:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | THE |
| 15:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | CRTC |
| 15:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | FOREVER |
| 15:41 | <@McMartin> | ? |
| 15:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | The CRTC - the Canadian regulatory agency for telecomms (which is, incidentally, primarily composed of ex-telco-company suits), has ruled that Bell and Rogers - the two big companies that own all of the actual wires in eastern Canada - can and should impose usage-based billing on the independent ISPs who resell their service. |
| 15:50 | <@McMartin> | That will end well |
| 15:50 | < Tarinaky> | That sucks donkey bollocks. |
| 15:50 | <@McMartin> | Should this go into the levels we used to see elsewhere, where it was cheaper to post CDs from the states than it was to download a Linux install - I'm sure you'll have agents here to do so |
| 15:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Previously, other ISPs could buy internet access from them wholesale and then resell to their customers, so you could, say, buy DSL service from TekSavvy and have no caps even though it's running over Bell's copper. |
| 15:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | As a practical matter, what this means is that internet connections have now become shit across the board, with TekSavvy dropping their caps from 200GB or infinity to 25GB and other ISPs following suit. |
| 15:52 | <@McMartin> | Huh. |
| 15:53 | <@McMartin> | Meanwhile, in the US, AT&T put in tiered bandwidth caps and my friend who runs Pandora all day every day at work found her bandwidth usage didn't even get her into the top half of the lowest tier of usage. |
| 15:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's still some degree of competition - for example, going with TekSavvy instead of Bell means your net connection will be run by people who are actually competent and there won't be constant "billing errors" in their favour - but they haven't been able to compete on speed for a long time (independent ISPs are capped at 5Mbit), they haven't been able to compete on throttling for a few years (the CRTC gave Bell/Rogers the ability to |
| 15:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | throttle traffic from indie ISPs using their lines), and now they can't compete on bandwidth allotment either. |
| 15:54 | <@McMartin> | Wait, throttling alien traffic is OK? |
| 15:54 | <@McMartin> | You guys don't have common carrier requirements? |
| 15:54 | < Tarinaky> | That's insane. |
| 15:55 | <@McMartin> | Maybe the US is just that much more chaotic, but I literally cannot imagine dropping common carrier requirements without completely annihilating your communications infrastructure |
| 15:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | They sort of do? AIUI it works like this: |
| 15:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | - they can't mess with traffic from other nets they have peering agreements with (unless it goes to/from one of their customers) |
| 15:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | - they can do whatever they want to their customers as long as they do it to everyone |
| 15:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | - indie ISPs buying network access from them count as "customers" |
| 15:57 | <@McMartin> | Ah, OK. |
| 15:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, traffic from, say, AT&T to Shaw via Bell's networks doesn't get affected. |
| 15:57 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, that still basically counts as "common carrier" for the purposes of avoiding armageddon, but it's still very grey. |
| 15:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Bell can't throttle only indie ISPs, but if they throttle their own customers - which they do, heavily - they can also throttle indie ISPs using their copper. |
| 16:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | And it's incredibly difficult for new ISPs to get off the ground without doing so, because laying new cable is cripplingly expensive and all of the telephone infrastructure is privately owned by Bell. |
| 16:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Welcome To Canada, Our Telecomms Regulations Are Fucked, Enjoy Your Stay. |
| 16:02 | <@McMartin> | It's more profitable to exploit the new scarcity of bandwidth than it is to reduce its scarcity. |
| 16:03 | <@McMartin> | I am of late ever so slightly more hospitable to this attitude given the degree of hilarious assymetry in some use cases (as per AT&T's situation above, where 3% of the users were taking more than half their bandwidth) |
| 16:04 | <@McMartin> | I've heard similar claims for the Internet as a whole and Netflix specifically, but the actions proposed by the companies in question don't seem to back up the idea that the companies believe this, just "we get money for doing nothing" |
| 16:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pretty much. |
| 16:07 | <@McMartin> | (AT&T's tiering plan for mobiles, when they put it in, though, really was the kind of plan you'd implement if you were trying to rein in 3% of your customers with minimal disruption. Hell, that all-pandora-all-the-time user ended up getting a discount.) |
| 16:08 | <@McMartin> | (They get a presumption of honesty.) |
| 16:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Incidentally, the lobbying to enact this started shortly after Netflix announced that they were extending service to Canada. On the same day, Rogers - which is a television and video rental company in addition to being an ISP - lowered the caps on most of their internet services. |
| 16:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | AT&T may get a presumption of honesty, but considering the last ten years Rogers and Bell don't and shouldn't. |
| 16:09 | <@McMartin> | This presumption is only with respect to the single instance of them imposing caps and tiering on mobile data usage in the US that once. |
| 16:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh hey, TekSavvy has online usage monitoring now: |
| 16:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | 12-201046.6499.39156.040 |
| 16:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | 11-201049.21915.68964.909 |
| 16:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Those numbers are GB down, GB up, and total. |
| 16:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | 25GB is not going to cut it. |
| 16:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the plus side, it looks like dryloop is much cheaper now than it was when I signed up. |
| 16:24 | < Reiv> | TF: oh wow I feel your pain. |
| 16:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | I could drop the analog phone service I never use, switch to dryloop, pay $5/mo to upgrade from 25GB to 65GB and still come out ahead. |
| 16:24 | < Reiv> | We're sitting on 20GB here, and seriously considering 40. O.o |
| 16:24 | < Reiv> | hn |
| 16:24 | < Reiv> | tasty, that, though. |
| 16:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, it's not quite as bad here as it is in NZ - yet. |
| 16:25 | < Reiv> | Well, good luck is all I can say |
| 16:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the other hand, NZ has the excuse that it's in the middle of the fucking ocean, whereas Canada shares a continent with the birthplace and still primary hub of the internet. |
| 16:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | (incidentally, what are you paying for that 20GB/mo?) |
| 16:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...oh hey we're in #code, I totally didn't notice that |
| 16:37 | < Reiv> | haha, it's appropriate innit~ |
| 16:37 | < Reiv> | TF: All up, NZ $85/mo, but that is including phoneline |
| 16:38 | < Reiv> | Splits out to 40+45, old plan was 39+52 for 10GB which is, uh, kinda why we changed~ |
| 16:38 | < Reiv> | Would go up to 40+55 for having 40GB/mo. |
| 16:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, around $65/mo o.O |
| 16:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | (canadian dollars |
| 16:39 | < Reiv> | Including phone rental, yeah. |
| 16:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | My current plan is $50/mo for phone + unmetered internet; if I moved to dryloop it would be $40 ($30 internet + $10 dry link), or $45 after the changes go into effect and I start paying more. |
| 16:40 | < Reiv> | Frankly the naked DSL options in NZ do not seem all that much cheaper - maybe 10/mo at best. |
| 16:40 | < Reiv> | Right, well |
| 16:40 | < Reiv> | NZ telecomms suck~ |
| 16:40 | < Reiv> | Sad irony: We were at one point among leaders in the world. |
| 16:40 | < Reiv> | We then privatised the phone network, because only Filthy Commies have nationalised phone lines, right? |
| 16:41 | < Reiv> | ... and they privatised it by going "Right, govt dept: You are now a private company!" |
| 16:41 | < Tarinaky> | Still, you've got your sheep to keep you entertained instead of this new fangled youtube thing. |
| 16:41 | < Reiv> | Notice the lack of, uh, de-monopolisation?~ |
| 16:41 | < Reiv> | Innovation stagnated. |
| 16:41 | < Reiv> | Until people started shouting loudly enough the politicians came back and meddled~ |
| 16:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Reiv: that sounds pretty much the same as here, except I'm not sure our telephone infrastructure was ever public. |
| 16:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | And the political meddling is always in favour of the duopoly, because Bell and Rogers are shouting louder than the people. |
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| 16:58 | <@McMartin> | Oog. Good thing flex time cuts both ways. |
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| 19:10 | | * Vornucopia gets down to business, refactoring the hell out of multiplication drill to make more drills. |
| 19:10 | < gnolam> | ... |
| 19:10 | < Vornucopia> | what? |
| 19:11 | < gnolam> | My mind interpreted that as in actual drills. As in the /tools/. |
| 19:11 | < gnolam> | A mental image of multiplying nanodrills is a very weird thing to get. |
| 19:16 | < Vornucopia> | Grey Goo Master Carpentry! |
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