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| 04:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Flarghl. |
| 04:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | All I want is a rolling linux distro with the same wide compatibility and package selection as Mint. |
| 04:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | It shouldn't be this hard. |
| 04:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | (yes, Mint has a rolling version now, but it's based on Debian Testing rather than on Ubuntu.) |
| 05:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe I should try out Arch. |
| 05:06 | < Namegduf> | Arch is interesting. |
| 05:06 | < Namegduf> | I don't know if I'd recommend it if you wouldn't use, say, Debian Unstable, though. |
| 05:06 | < Namegduf> | Arch is fairly bleeding edge. |
| 05:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hrm. |
| 05:07 | < Namegduf> | In fact, the one time I found a package significantly behind version in Unstable (gdm) I looked up the most recent one and found that it'd gone straight into Arch and people were having horrible issues because they'd redone the configuration and broken everyone's systems. |
| 05:07 | < Namegduf> | Debian hadn't resolved it yet and had refrained from releasing it. |
| 05:08 | < Namegduf> | Arch is good if what you want is bleeding edge, rolling release, edit-your-own-configuration-files setup. |
| 05:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rolling release is what I'm after here, and I don't mind bleeding edge. |
| 05:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | My main concern is that Arch places a high emphasis on doing it yourself. |
| 05:11 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, that's the reason I've avoided it myself. |
| 05:11 | < Namegduf> | Because my view is that the function of the distribution is to do stuff for me. |
| 05:12 | < Namegduf> | And if I wanted to "do it myself" I'd use LFS |
| 05:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | And while I don't disagree with that in principle - and may someday move Orias to arch, if dist-upgrading between SUSE releases becomes too much of a hassle - right now I'm looking for something for my laptop. |
| 05:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | And that, I generally want to just work out of the box. |
| 05:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Looking over the Arch install instructions - yeah, definitely not the right choice for this. |
| 05:18 | < simon_> | that's why I use Ubuntu. |
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| 05:18 | < simon_> | when I started using Linux again three years ago, it was my primary concern that I'd end up hacking stuff that ought to just work. (I was using Gentoo before that.) |
| 05:19 | < Namegduf> | Yeah, Gentoo will go that way. |
| 05:19 | | * Namegduf is also a Gentoo survivor. |
| 05:19 | < simon_> | ToxicFrog, how about using Ubuntu/Mint with alternative package archives? PPA or unstable, or whatever works. |
| 05:20 | < Namegduf> | Fixing a stupid bug every week to maintain a useful system... |
| 05:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | PPA? |
| 05:21 | < simon_> | PPA = Personal Package Archive. |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Managing a personal repository is too much like work. |
| 05:22 | < simon_> | just a bunch of personalized repositories where people can maintain stuff. it's like an even-less-warranty version of unstable. |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | I see what you mean. |
| 05:22 | < simon_> | I was thinking that maybe someone already has your software in a recent version in a PPA. |
| 05:22 | < simon_> | (although I don't know how popular they are yet.) |
| 05:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but then I end up with a lot of random PPAs for stuff that's also available in a recent version in the repos for the more recent releases |
| 05:23 | < simon_> | ah, right. |
| 05:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | And eventually people lose interest - why bother maintaining updated versions of calibre for Mint 8 when most people are using 9 now, and 10 came out a little while ago? |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can of course simply change sources.list and dist-upgrade when I feel it's time to move to a new major release, but I would prefer the convenience of a rolling distro. |
| 05:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | It may just be that there are no current linux distros that combine "just works", "laptop suitable" and "rolling release" |
| 05:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I may try LMDE before concluding that, even if it is based on Debian. |
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| 05:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | I also want to try a source-based distro again sometime. |
| 05:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | But at present the options seem to be Lunar or Sourcemage (both of which are chronically out of date), or Gentoo (which is Gentoo) |
| 06:03 | | * kwsn has arch on this box |
| 06:18 | | * simon_ would use Arch if he disliked Ubuntu enough. |
| 06:18 | < simon_> | as it is, I don't even run a custom window manager. |
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| 07:19 | < kwsn> | I run xmonad on arch, but i haven't touched it in about a year |
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