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| 00:14 | < Syloqs-AFH> | hmmm, someone needs some cheese. |
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| 01:46 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ugh. 5 meg uncompressed xml autosaves |
| 01:46 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 1.2 gigs of them |
| 01:53 | <@Derakon> | tar -cjvf time! |
| 01:53 | <@Vornicus> | What's being autosaved? |
| 01:56 | | * Derakon snerks at these comments: "TODO: EVERYTHING. FUCK" "Ideally setting these to 0 would disable it entirely but that takes EFFORT." "Delay s hould be auto-configured based on some timing but that's MORE EFFORT." "return true; --why not" |
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| 02:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Vornicus: playing freeorion. It's not a finished game though |
| 02:13 | <@Vornicus> | No, it is not. |
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| 02:38 | | * Derakon idly checks out his Apache access logs, notes a large number of attempts to access random PHP files that don't exist. |
| 02:38 | <@Derakon> | Silly viruses. |
| 02:39 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 02:39 | <@Derakon> | My computer is accessible on port 80, so other computers are trying to attack it. Unsuccessfully, as it's not running the various webapps the other computers have exploits for. |
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| 03:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Man. It should not be this hard to scroll to the bottom in gtk. |
| 03:07 | < celticminstrel> | Okay, homework nearly done. I can finish the last part tomorrow. |
| 03:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | HOLY SHIT |
| 03:10 | <@Derakon> | Nani? |
| 03:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | I HAVE FELT RUNNING ON WINDOWS |
| 03:10 | <@Derakon> | \o/ |
| 03:10 | | * Derakon eyes his discourse, ratchets up the grade level to somewhere in the highschool range. |
| 03:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's completely unplayable but that may be due to the fact that I left debug tracing on~ |
| 03:11 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 03:11 | | * ToxicFrog turns it off, watches load time go from 20+ seconds to under a second |
| 03:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Now let's see if a client running on linux can talk to it. |
| 03:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | wghlblblb! |
| 03:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | It totally works! |
| 03:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's still a lot of rough edges - mostly in the UI - but IT WOOOOORKS! |
| 03:13 | <@Derakon> | Congratulations. |
| 03:13 | <@Vornicus> | HOLY SHIT |
| 03:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Off the top of my head, stuff that needs to be fixed - clients need to handle being disconnected gracefully; server needs to tell people when connections are occuring; visibility controls; some of the menu items still need to be hooked up; and module loading needs to be fixed so that you can load modules while clients are connected. |
| 03:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, and save/load support needs to be implemented, although that's mostly there already. |
| 03:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | But, for the first time since I started this redesign, I can confidently say that I've made progress. |
| 03:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have spent the last five hours wrestling with the windows build of luagnome, but you know what? It's worth it. |
| 03:17 | <@Derakon> | So, how about OSX support~? |
| 03:17 | | * Derakon ducks. |
| 03:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | All of the libraries I use support OSX. |
| 03:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | It should just be a matter of building the ones for which prepackaged binaries are not readily available. |
| 03:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Indeed, I would already have done so if I had an OSX machine to do so on. |
| 03:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Feel like volunteering?~ |
| 03:23 | <@Derakon> | What do you need? |
| 03:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | lua 5.1, luafilesystem, luasocket, luagnome. |
| 03:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | That should be everything. |
| 03:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | luagnome is the only tricky one of those, I think; it has a custom build procedure and requires some not-quite-standard stuff like libffi and gccxml. |
| 03:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I've tried to alleviate that by providing a snapshot and makefile in the lua-gtk branch, but you still need all of the dependent libraries and tools) |
| 03:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you feel like having a go, it's at git://github.com/ToxicFrog/felt.git - checkout branch 'master' and try 'lua main.lua' (to see what libraries you're missing from the main program), or checkout 'lua-gtk' and try 'make' (to see whether luagnome builds) |
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| 03:37 | <@Derakon> | I suspect I'll be missing everything except lua itself, and I don't particularly feel like wrestling with builds and dependencies on OSX just at the moment. ¬.¬ |
| 03:38 | <@Derakon> | Sadly, luasocket et al aren't in MacPorts' repository. |
| 03:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | bOO |
| 03:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | boo |
| 03:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sneaky kitty pressing capslock when I'm not looking! |
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| 03:55 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, luasocket doesn't build. |
| 03:56 | <@Derakon> | Complaining about a whole bunch of undefined lua symbols. |
| 03:56 | <@Derakon> | And the documentation's no help. |
| 03:58 | <@Derakon> | ...hm, it doesn't autoconfigure. Okay, then. |
| 03:58 | <@Derakon> | Okay, that built. |
| 04:00 | <@Derakon> | luafilesystem's documentation: "To install on Linux/OSX/BSD, please edit the config file and then call "make; make install"" |
| 04:00 | <@Derakon> | Gee, thanks. |
| 04:00 | <@Derakon> | You might want to specify what edits I should make! |
| 04:01 | <@Derakon> | Rasser frassin' lazy build systems. |
| 04:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | lfs is also not in macports? |
| 04:02 | <@Derakon> | Doesn't look like it. |
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| 04:04 | <@Derakon> | lua-gnome doesn't recognize my architecture when I run its configure script. |
| 04:05 | <@Derakon> | Then again, the only values it does accept are x86_64 and i686. |
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| 04:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Um? |
| 04:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | What version is this? |
| 04:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | The one in the lua-gtk branch of felt knows about a whole shitload, or at least claims to |
| 04:12 | <@Derakon> | I grabbed it from http://luaforge.net/projects/lua-gtk , sorry. |
| 04:12 | <@Derakon> | Didn't realize that felt had its own copy. |
| 04:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, OS-wise, it only knows about win32 and linux, but (say) ./configure --host linux-ppc (or whatever) should give you a good starting point |
| 04:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...OSX does have dlopen, right? |
| 04:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | It doesn't have yet another runtime dynamic linking API? |
| 04:15 | <@Derakon> | I honestly have no idea. |
| 04:15 | <@Derakon> | "git clone git://github.com/ToxicFrog/felt.git" dies with "The remote end hung up unexpectedly" |
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| 04:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | git://github.com/ToxicFrog/Felt.git , sorry, case sensitive |
| 04:21 | <@Derakon> | Okay, so how do I tell git to take the lua-gtk branch? |
| 04:22 | <@Derakon> | Nemmind, the exocortex leapt to the rescue. |
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| 04:24 | <@Derakon> | Ehh, yours doesn't recognize my architecture either, and when I make it recognize it it can't find any libraries...eh. |
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| 04:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | What arch is it? |
| 04:26 | <@Derakon> | i386 |
| 04:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Um |
| 04:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's the default, and what I built the linux and windows binaries I have with |
| 04:27 | <@Derakon> | It's complaining about the output of uname -m at line 292 of script/configure.lua. |
| 04:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh wtf |
| 04:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think I definitely need to submit some patches for this |
| 04:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | detect_architecture works: |
| 04:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | (1) if you have dpkg-architecture installed |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | (2) if uname -m returns x86_64 (maps to amd64) or i686 (maps to i386) |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | If uname -m returns anything else, including architectures ostensibly supported by configure - and including amd64 and i386! - it complains. |
| 04:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | As much as I love luagnome as a user of it, its build system is a clusterfuck. |
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| 04:39 | <@Derakon> | Note that I modified that to accept i386 (maps to, naturally, i386) which made it not find any libraries after. |
| 04:39 | <@Derakon> | But I don't really feel like dealing with this more this evening. |
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| 04:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fair enough. |
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| 10:05 | < Anno[Laptop]> | How do I find out what conflicts with an upgraded package under Debian? I have had the upgrade to libavformat52 sitting in the upgrades list for a while now, and can't install it because it allegedly conflicts with something. |
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| 10:58 | < PinkFreud> | Anno[Laptop]: aptitude install libavformat52 |
| 11:06 | < Anno[Laptop]> | http://pastie.org/1266322 <- I'm not sure if I should accept this solution or not. Help? |
| 11:08 | < PinkFreud> | it *might* work :/ |
| 11:10 | < Anno[Laptop]> | Why is the score so low? |
| 11:10 | < PinkFreud> | are you running the latest lenny packages? |
| 11:11 | < Anno[Laptop]> | I update whenever I see the icon. |
| 11:14 | < PinkFreud> | unfortunately, I can't tell you. any box I need libavformat* on has long since been upgraded to squeeze |
| 11:15 | < Anno[Laptop]> | Trying to remove libavformat52 leads to also removing gnome. I don't want that. |
| 11:15 | < PinkFreud> | nice |
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| 18:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Gnar. |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | This model/view commingling is harder to fix than originally anticipated. |
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| 18:46 | < Outpost[College]> | Anyone familiar with Blender and exporting animated models to like a 3D engine? - (Yeah, I'm asking everywhere) |
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| 18:57 | < gnolam> | No, but it shouldn't be that ha- OH WAIT BLENDER HA HA HA |
| 18:57 | <@TheWatcher> | >.> |
| 18:57 | < Outpost[College]> | Got another program idea Gnoalm? |
| 18:57 | < Outpost[College]> | *gnolam |
| 18:58 | < Outpost[College]> | I'm pretty peeved at Blender myself. |
| 18:58 | < gnolam> | No. There are no good free animation programs. |
| 18:58 | < Outpost[College]> | Dangit. |
| 18:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Pretty much |
| 18:58 | | * TheWatcher prefers lightwave, and the student price is fairly reasonable |
| 18:59 | < Outpost[College]> | Very reasonable. I only had to pay piratebay.com$ for Lightwave. |
| 18:59 | <@TheWatcher> | (and is file format is extensively documented) |
| 18:59 | <@TheWatcher> | *its |
| 18:59 | < gnolam> | But what does your 3D engine take? |
| 18:59 | < Outpost[College]> | But we're using Irrlicht, we need files to be in b3d. .x .md3 or .ms3d |
| 19:00 | < gnolam> | Ah. |
| 19:00 | < Outpost[College]> | We get the file to export, and it supposedly has the keyframes and all 'baked in', but it just doesn't animate at all in Irrlicht. |
| 19:00 | < Outpost[College]> | (use .x ATM) |
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| 19:12 | | * Derakon ponders making his presentation in HTML and then rendering the resulting pages to PNG for use in OSX's Preview program. |
| 19:12 | <@Derakon> | Given that I don't own Powerpoint. |
| 19:14 | <@Vornicus> | PostScript, clearly~ |
| 19:14 | <@Derakon> | I have access to Powerpoint, and there's a computer available that can run it in the presentation room, but that would mean I couldn't run my demos (or would have to install their prerequisites on the presentation computer, which I may not have rights to) |
| 19:14 | <@Derakon> | Vorn: and here I was expecting someone to suggest LaTeX~ |
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| 19:14 | <@Vornicus> | LaTeX isn't built for single pages. Neither is HTML, really. |
| 19:15 | <@Derakon> | These are gonna be pretty simple things, though. |
| 19:15 | <@Derakon> | Headers, text fields, bulleted lists. |
| 19:15 | <@Vornicus> | PostScript does have the diasdvantage that it doesn't have text layout though. |
| 19:15 | <@Derakon> | I think I'm gonna need to do the "render to PNG and use in Preview" thing anyway, if only to get something I can show on my laptop. |
| 19:15 | <@Vornicus> | Preview opens .ps |
| 19:16 | <@Derakon> | Okay, "render to standard format and use in Preview". :p |
| 19:17 | <@Vornicus> | "render"? I write ps by hand. :P |
| 19:17 | <@Derakon> | Would you like to make my presentation for me, then? :p |
| 19:18 | <@Vornicus> | No I'm just being an asshole. :P |
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| 19:20 | <@Derakon> | I remember more CSS than I thought... |
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| 19:27 | <@Derakon> | ...perhaps 64px is too big for the slide title. |
| 19:27 | <@Derakon> | Or perhaps I shouldn't combine 64px and <h1>. |
| 19:39 | <@Derakon> | Hm, large text doesn't combine well with bullet points; the bullets aren't vertically centered. |
| 20:14 | <@Derakon> | Bah, this slide is one line too tall. |
| 20:15 | <@Derakon> | http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/slide.html |
| 20:16 | < Tarinaky> | The Uni of Kent just asked for a copy of my Transcript from Leicester... so I don't think they'll be having me :/ |
| 20:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, that's a neat bug |
| 20:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | I just dropped the chessboard on itself, folding it into a bubble reality inaccessible from anywhere else. |
| 20:31 | <@Derakon> | Awesome. |
| 20:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | (the underlying bug is that items currently being held should ignore attempts to drop things on them) |
| 20:41 | <@Prophet> | What is this? |
| 20:46 | <@Derakon> | Felt, TF's foray into networked card tables~ |
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| 21:06 | <@Derakon> | Hokay, another topic to add: modules and functions. |
| 21:13 | <@Derakon> | (After discovering that even the biologist he knew had a decent amount of programming knowledge still didn't have an especially strong grasp of how they worked) |
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| 22:51 | | * Derakon eyes http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/slides/ and wonders why the dratted thing won't pull up the next image when he clicks on the current one. |
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| 22:52 | <@Derakon> | It gives me the error "advance is not defined" but AFAICT I've matched every example I can find of onclick handling...including examples I myself have written in the past! |
| 22:52 | <@Derakon> | ("advance" being the name of the function I want to invoke when the image is clicked) |
| 22:56 | <@TheWatcher> | try changing it the <script type="text/javascript"> |
| 22:56 | <@TheWatcher> | *it to |
| 22:56 | <@Derakon> | Derp. |
| 22:56 | <@Derakon> | That did it. Thanks. |
| 22:57 | <@Derakon> | There, now you can check out my slideshow. |
| 22:59 | <@Derakon> | And now, away! |
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