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| 00:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hrm. |
| 00:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Connecting is mostly working. |
| 00:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | And the parts that aren't are all dependent on The Big One: new object propagation. |
| 00:48 | < McMartin> | What's the main project here? |
| 00:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Felt. |
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| 00:52 | | * McMartin checks ou the venue for TIGJam, since it's somewhere some coworkers have suggested |
| 00:52 | < McMartin> | I may need to check them out more generally next month. |
| 01:21 | < gnolam> | Sounds like a welding convention. |
| 01:25 | < McMartin> | TIG is an independent game developer group. THey're using a hacker-friendly community space in Mountain View for it. |
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| 01:48 | < celticminstrel> | Hacker-friendly? |
| 01:48 | < gnolam> | "The many-angled ones, as they say, live at the bottom of the Mandelbrot set, except when a suitable incantation in the platonic realm of mathematics - computerised or otherwise - draws them forth. |
| 01:48 | < gnolam> | (And you thought running that fractal screen-saver was good for your computer?)" |
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| 04:48 | | * kwsn arghs, has to code in ada T_T |
| 04:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why is that an argh? |
| 04:49 | < kwsn> | cause typing is a bitch |
| 04:50 | < kwsn> | as well as the string handling |
| 04:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | In what way? I was under the impression that Ada's unforgiving type system was its greatest strength. |
| 04:50 | < kwsn> | actually this program isn't that bad |
| 04:50 | < kwsn> | however |
| 04:50 | < kwsn> | strings are a pain in ada |
| 04:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh? |
| 04:54 | < kwsn> | eah |
| 04:54 | < kwsn> | say you have a 6 char string |
| 04:54 | < kwsn> | and you have a 3 char word |
| 04:55 | < kwsn> | you have to go "cat " when storing it |
| 04:55 | < kwsn> | you can't just put "cat' |
| 04:56 | < kwsn> | *" |
| 04:57 | < McMartin> | Ugh, pascal strings |
| 04:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Um |
| 04:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm pretty sure unbounded and fixed strings don't behave like that |
| 04:59 | < kwsn> | at least case doesn't matter ^_^ |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | (1) Ada, The Paranoid Language, is case insensitive? |
| 05:00 | < kwsn> | yup |
| 05:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | (2) you consider this a good thing? o.O |
| 05:00 | < kwsn> | hahah |
| 05:00 | < kwsn> | a wee goo thing |
| 05:00 | < kwsn> | *good |
| 05:28 | < kwsn> | i do have one advantage here |
| 05:28 | < kwsn> | i have code from a ruby program that does the exact same thing |
| 05:28 | < kwsn> | so it's more or less getting used to the specifics of ada |
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| 14:04 | < Tarinaky> | Python question - when using a variable number of arguments {def f(*foo): return} is the list accessed as foo or *foo? |
| 14:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | foo |
| 14:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Test it yourself in the interactive mode |
| 14:15 | <@jerith> | *foo and **foo is special syntax that only exists in parameter lists. |
| 14:31 | < Tarinaky> | I keep forgetting there's an interactive mod. |
| 14:31 | < Tarinaky> | *mode |
| 15:04 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: Install ipython. |
| 15:04 | <@jerith> | It's a big ball of win covered in awesomesauce. |
| 15:15 | < Tarinaky> | What is it? |
| 15:15 | < Tarinaky> | I don't require any balls of win covered in awesomesauce: I have a fully stocked freezer. |
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| 15:27 | <@jerith> | It's a vastly better interactive environment than the default. |
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| 15:31 | < gnolam> | A one-i'd python, eh? Hurr hurr hurr. |
| 15:33 | | * gnolam goes to check it out and finds that they have a home page full of Fail. |
| 15:35 | < gnolam> | http://ipython.scipy.org tries to redirect you to http://ipython.scipy.org/moin/ through /javascript/. |
| 15:35 | < gnolam> | Yeah, I think I'll be giving it a pass. |
| 15:39 | <@jerith> | "pip install ipython" |
| 15:39 | <@jerith> | Or "easy_install ipython" |
| 15:48 | < gnolam> | It's not that I can't find what to install, it's that I don't trust anyone who's that incompetent at the internets. |
| 15:52 | <@jerith> | In this case, it's because they're awesome at code, not websites. |
| 15:52 | <@jerith> | However, moin is a huge pile of fail. |
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| 16:09 | < gnolam> | Yes, it's a different field, but still - it tells me that the people involved have no qualms releasing stuff they haven't even got a basic understanding of. |
| 16:10 | <@jerith> | In the general case, I agree with you. |
| 16:10 | < celticminstrel> | Hm? |
| 16:11 | <@jerith> | But I use ipython a lot and it's pretty fantastic. |
| 16:13 | < gnolam> | celticminstrel: http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/430 |
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| 18:27 | < TarinakyKai> | And of course, I would have thrown away my hexagon demos from a few days ago when I suddenly realise they'd actually be quite handy about now >.< |
| 18:29 | < TarinakyKai> | Actually, thought occurs... Anyone have suggestions on source control of binary data? |
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| 18:31 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, you can put binary data into source control. |
| 18:31 | <@Derakon> | Why do you ask? |
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| 18:32 | < TarinakyKai> | Derakon: I had someone tell me a few moons ago that bad things happen (tm) |
| 18:32 | | * Derakon shrugs. |
| 18:33 | < TarinakyKai> | So - git's okay then? |
| 18:33 | <@Derakon> | Try it and find out. :) |
| 18:33 | <@Derakon> | I have binary data in Mercurial and haven't noticed any issues. |
| 18:33 | < celticminstrel> | I have binary data in Subversion. |
| 18:34 | < celticminstrel> | It seems to work fine (apart from dropping Mac file/creator codes, but that's expected). |
| 18:35 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | The main difficulty with source control tools and binary stuff is that your standard "diff" thing works "line by line", which doesn't make sense for binary. |
| 18:36 | < TarinakyKai> | I suppose I should mention, when I say binary data I mean bitmaps. |
| 18:36 | < TarinakyKai> | Although I'll wager you guessed as much. |
| 18:36 | <@Derakon> | That is generally the most common form of binary data these days, yes. |
| 18:36 | < TarinakyKai> | Derakon: I dunno. I have ~150G of mp3s |
| 18:37 | <@Derakon> | In source control? |
| 18:37 | < TarinakyKai> | Derakon: No. |
| 18:37 | < TarinakyKai> | But on disk. |
| 18:37 | < celticminstrel> | Yeah, diff just says "Binary files differ" and leaves it at that. |
| 18:38 | < celticminstrel> | I have images, Mac resource files, and custom binary files in svn. Oh, and wav. <_< A lot more than just bitmaps. |
| 18:38 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Right, but the thing about source control |
| 18:39 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | It generally stores newer files /as diffs/ |
| 18:39 | < celticminstrel> | But, let me guess... if you change a binary file it stores the entire file again? |
| 18:39 | < TarinakyKai> | That's the most desirable result. |
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| 18:43 | < TarinakyKai> | It's probably a bad thing that I figured the easiest way to draw a polygon from a set of coordinates is to use python interactively >.< |
| 18:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus-Latens, celticminstrel: as a rule, any version control system that supports versioning of binaries either stores them as block diffs rather than line diffs, or stores them without diffs. |
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| 22:49 | < celticminstrel> | ...there's an SDL_GetGamma function in the source that doesn't appear in the headers... o.O |
| 22:56 | <@McMartin> | IIRC it's not guaranteed to be supported. |
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| 23:06 | < celticminstrel> | But why is it even there if you can't get at it? |
| 23:07 | <@Derakon> | You'd be amazed how much functional-but-not-supported-or-used code is in your average program. |
| 23:12 | <@McMartin> | Also, it might be used internally but other things; is it referenced inside the library? |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | It seems kind of pointless to put it there when there's not even a chance of it being called. |
| 23:13 | < celticminstrel> | No, it's not referenced inside the library. |
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