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| 01:10 | | * PinkFreud boggles at the sheer size of Linux's 2.6.34 kernel |
| 01:11 | < PinkFreud> | I think it ate Manhattan. |
| 01:12 | < Tarinaky> | Eugh. |
| 01:12 | < Tarinaky> | I can't find anywhere offering Comp Sci and accepting the grades I got at A level :/ |
| 01:13 | < PinkFreud> | Tarinaky: :( |
| 01:13 | < Tarinaky> | I dunno what I can do to try and get around this :/ |
| 01:14 | < PinkFreud> | I have a 21 GB /usr filesystem, which includes /usr/src. I'm attempting to compile a distro-provided kernel package, rather than customizing .config. The thing is at least *5 GB* compiled. |
| 01:14 | < Tarinaky> | The entry requirements only get higher and higher each year too :/ |
| 01:14 | < Tarinaky> | 2010: "Typical offers: ABB" |
| 01:14 | < Tarinaky> | 2011: "Typical offers: AAB" |
| 01:15 | < PinkFreud> | ick |
| 01:17 | < Tarinaky> | I only have a BBC :/ |
| 01:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | ABB, AAB, BBC? |
| 01:18 | < Tarinaky> | I have a BBC. |
| 01:18 | < Tarinaky> | Physics B, Maths B, Electronics C. |
| 01:18 | < Tarinaky> | Birmingham Uni wants ABB. |
| 01:19 | | * PinkFreud shudders |
| 01:19 | < PinkFreud> | cp: writing `/usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.34/debian/linux-image-2.6.34/usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/2 .6.34/kernel/net/bluetooth/rfcomm/rfcomm.ko': No space left on device |
| 01:19 | < Tarinaky> | ATM I'm thinking maybe I'd want to do Computer Science with Maths. |
| 01:19 | < PinkFreud> | I had 6 GB free before compiling. |
| 01:19 | < Tarinaky> | Or something like that. |
| 01:19 | < PinkFreud> | wtf!? |
| 01:20 | < Tarinaky> | But I can't seem to find anywhere :/ |
| 01:20 | < PinkFreud> | it takes > 6 GB to compile this monstrosity!? |
| 01:20 | < Tarinaky> | Bluetooth support in Linux -is- terrible. |
| 01:21 | < PinkFreud> | so is wifi |
| 01:22 | < PinkFreud> | (squeeze-x86_64)sauron@mordor:/usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.34$ du -s * | sort -n | tail -1 |
| 01:22 | < PinkFreud> | 2900364 drivers |
| 01:22 | < PinkFreud> | 3 GB in drivers alone... holy crap. |
| 01:24 | < PinkFreud> | I'm going to have to create a seperate filesystem for /usr/src. this is beyond ridiculous. |
| 01:26 | < PinkFreud> | guh... the linux-image install tree for 2.6.32 weighed in at < 99 MB. |
| 01:26 | < PinkFreud> | that same tree for 2.6.34 is 1.2 GB, and it's not done yet - that's where it ran out of space. |
| 01:29 | < Tarinaky> | I dunno how I'm going to get on a CS+Maths course :/ |
| 01:29 | < PinkFreud> | Tarinaky: try a local college instead of a uni for a couple semesters? It'll help you get your grades up. |
| 01:30 | < Tarinaky> | The problem is I need to find ~6grand to pay for Uni. |
| 01:30 | < Tarinaky> | Otherwise I'd just retake my A levels or something :/ |
| 01:30 | < Tarinaky> | Or do a BTec or whateve.r |
| 01:30 | < PinkFreud> | :( |
| 01:31 | < Tarinaky> | Yah. |
| 01:31 | < Tarinaky> | Maybe if I didn't need to sleep I could do it :/ |
| 01:32 | < Tarinaky> | Right. Need to put clothes on and get ready to pick up my ex from the train station. |
| 01:32 | < Tarinaky> | bbs |
| 01:34 | < PinkFreud> | 21427240 /usr |
| 01:34 | < PinkFreud> | 15293868 /usr/src |
| 01:34 | | * PinkFreud boggles |
| 01:34 | < PinkFreud> | that's insanity. |
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| 03:12 | < Tarinaky> | I'm finding nowhere offering the course I want it seems :/ |
| 03:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which course? |
| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | I'm thinking I want to do a Comp Sci & Mathematics :/ |
| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | Or just a good Comp Sci course. |
| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | Not sure. |
| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | But everywhere wants an ABB. |
| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | Well, AAB. |
| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | Which I don't have :/ |
| 03:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why do you need an A in physics and a B in electronics for CS? |
| 03:42 | < Tarinaky> | Because that's what the prospectus says they want. |
| 03:44 | <@Vornicus> | electronics I can see. Physics? |
| 03:45 | < Tarinaky> | They don't care what subjects. |
| 03:45 | < Tarinaky> | They just want the points. |
| 03:45 | < Tarinaky> | Although they want an A in Maths for the joint-honours thing :/ |
| 03:45 | < Tarinaky> | I feel pretty much dead :/ |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: depends on whether by "electronics" they mean "digital engineering" or "analog network theory" |
| 03:47 | < Tarinaky> | They want AAB in any three A2 qualifications. |
| 03:47 | < Tarinaky> | Including mathematics. |
| 03:47 | < Tarinaky> | Or equiv International Baquelaureat (sp?) |
| 03:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Baccalaureate. |
| 03:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Bachelor's Degree. |
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| 04:46 | < Tarinaky> | Maybe if I hunt down and kill a bunch of programmers. |
| 04:46 | < Tarinaky> | And then stitch their faces into a mask. |
| 04:46 | < Tarinaky> | I'll be able to get a CompSci degree. |
| 04:49 | | * Tarinaky sharpens the knives and grinds at ToxicFrog. |
| 04:49 | < Tarinaky> | *grins |
| 04:49 | < Tarinaky> | >.> |
| 06:07 | | * PinkFreud points Tarinaky at the wireless driver devs for linux |
| 06:07 | < PinkFreud> | start with them, kthx |
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| 14:47 | < Tarinaky> | So I'm currently thinking of applying to do Computer Science & Mathematics at Keele or Aston. |
| 14:47 | | * Tarinaky summons on the more academically minded elder-ops. |
| 14:47 | < Tarinaky> | *one |
| 14:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | Elder-ops are fine too. |
| 14:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | Ia, Ia, McMartin fhtagn! |
| 14:59 | < Tarinaky> | Ia, Ia, TF - the black frog of the forest with a thousand young. |
| 15:01 | | * jerith wanders in amidst all the eldritch goings-on. |
| 15:04 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm only in it for the Cthulhu Mythos points. |
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| 17:07 | < gnolam> | "Java 4-ever": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfpnbGXL70 |
| 17:07 | < Tarinaky> | Is it a good or a bad thing if the Programming Modules teach Java? |
| 17:07 | < Tarinaky> | I mean. I'm not learning it as my first language so I'm at a lower-risk of learning bad habits. |
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| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: I would consider it a bad thing simply on the grounds that Java is not at all fun. |
| 17:48 | < Tarinaky> | :/ |
| 17:48 | < Tarinaky> | Everywhere seems to do Java as their Programming 1 course. |
| 17:48 | < celticminstrel> | It's not a bad language. It's just clunky. |
| 17:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | (more generally, I would consider it a bad thing because Java is not very well suited as a learning language) |
| 17:53 | < Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: Well... I'm not interested in how other people score. :/ |
| 17:53 | < Tarinaky> | I just wanna know if it's likely to be a showstopper for me :/ |
| 17:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, you mean, if you'll have trouble with it? |
| 17:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | What languages do you already have? |
| 17:55 | < Tarinaky> | C++ mostly. |
| 18:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | You shouldn't have much trouble conceptually, then. Java will handle much like C++ with garbage collection and more safety checks. |
| 18:00 | < Tarinaky> | So less Fun then :p |
| 18:00 | < Tarinaky> | (In the DF sense of the word~) |
| 18:03 | < Tarinaky> | Although atm I'm not sure if I can get funding for the full course. |
| 18:03 | < Tarinaky> | Which is, you know, bollocks really :/ |
| 18:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah :/ |
| 18:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | (incidentally, there should be no shortage of Java tutorials and exercises online, if you want to have a go at it in advance) |
| 18:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Alternately, see if you can convince the prof to let you use Scala~) |
| 18:05 | < Tarinaky> | I've learned one thing in the past two years. |
| 18:05 | < Tarinaky> | Nothing is a demotivator quite like arguing with the Prof because you're convinced you know better than they do. >.> |
| 18:05 | < Tarinaky> | Either I've learned that or Many-Variable Calculus. I'm not sure,. |
| 18:06 | < Tarinaky> | You'll have to ask me after the first week back at a Uni >.> |
| 18:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fair enough. |
| 18:06 | | * Tarinaky can be very opinionated sometimes >.> |
| 18:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | And I didn't mean arguing so much as just asking what the language restrictions are. |
| 18:06 | < Tarinaky> | Ah. Well. |
| 18:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Compilers, for example, was taught in Java but the prof permitted assignments to be done in any language. |
| 18:07 | < Tarinaky> | Even if java has gone out of vogue it's still probably more useful in enterprise than Scala :/ |
| 18:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Simulation was C/++ but other languages were permitted as long as the TA agreed. |
| 18:07 | < Tarinaky> | Keele do teach other languages depending which modules you do though. |
| 18:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | How do you figure? |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Scala and Java can call each other transparently, so Scala code can still make use of the corpulent mass of enterprise software that exists javaside. |
| 18:08 | < Tarinaky> | And I think the Double-Credit project you do is meant to be a "Sure, whatever. Dig yourself a grave" |
| 18:08 | < Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: I was under the impression there were more jobs for maintaining Java code than Scala. |
| 18:08 | < Tarinaky> | Maybe I'm wrong. |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, well, maintenance, possibly |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | But that's not at all the same thing |
| 18:09 | < Tarinaky> | Well. Development is a crapshoot wrt language pic since it probably depends what the man in charge cut his teeth on >.> |
| 18:09 | < Tarinaky> | *pick |
| 18:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's "there are more jobs requiring Scala skill than requiring Java" |
| 18:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er, requiring Java than Scala, rather |
| 18:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is not the same as "Java is more useful in the enterprise", unless "more useful" here is shorthand for "more useful from the perspective of finding a job" |
| 18:10 | | * ToxicFrog goes erranding |
| 18:10 | < Tarinaky> | Well. More useful from my perspective as a prospective unit of consumerism. |
| 18:10 | < Tarinaky> | :p |
| 18:11 | < Tarinaky> | My skill being a commodity or whatever. |
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| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | I use "more marketable" for that. |
| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | "More useful" is reserved for problem-solving utility. |
| 19:53 | < Tarinaky> | Ah. A valid distinction. |
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