| --- Log opened Wed Apr 07 00:00:48 2010 |
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| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Bear in mind that this is a card game, not a realtime game. |
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| 00:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | The main reason I'm contemplating synchronous is that I need some way of saying "create a new object replicated on all clients, then do stuff with it" |
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| 02:29 | <@McMartin> | TF: For a card game, the best reason for synchronous is so that you can tell if someone's pinged out |
| 03:14 | | * Reiver pokes Vorn |
| 03:14 | <~Reiver> Did you make any sense of the task? |
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| 03:30 | <@Vornicus> | Vguely. |
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| 05:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, I think I have this. |
| 05:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | new is synchronous. Clients request a new object; the server responds with either an initialization vector or nil. |
| 05:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | To avoid deadlock, the client sharing a state with the server bypasses the network and calls the corresponding function in the server directly. |
| 05:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Everything else is asynchronous; the client sends an event to the server and the server responds (or not) with an event broadcast to all connected clients. |
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| 14:17 | | * jerith stabs Tomcat in the FAAAAAAACE! |
| 14:17 | <@jerith> | Sometimes it adds a content-length header for me. Other times it doesn't. |
| 14:18 | <@jerith> | One would think this would depend on the size of the data being returned, but it apparently is not. |
| 15:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | I would have thought that it would depend on whether or not it can determine the length in advance. |
| 15:05 | <@TheWatcher> | That'd make entirely too much sense for tomcat >.> |
| 15:05 | <@jerith> | The only way for it to determine said length is by having its buffer filled before it actually starts sending data to the client. |
| 15:06 | <@jerith> | I /suspect/ it's something to do with a difference between production and non-production. |
| 15:06 | <@jerith> | But apparently it's sometimes a problem in productio nas well. |
| 15:07 | <@jerith> | I can't paste the code, because it's day-job stuff, but it's basically an HTTP frontend to a variety of storage backends. |
| 15:08 | <@jerith> | Current investigations claim that the backend we use in production gives us a Content-Length header, while the one we use in integration environments doesn't. |
| 15:09 | <@jerith> | Except the code just gets an InputStream from whichever backend it finds the data in and writes that a chunk at a time into the ServletResponse. |
| 15:29 | < gnolam> | Good audio transcoder. Suggestions? |
| 15:29 | < gnolam> | (I want to turn a bunch of FLACs into MP3s for my storage-limited EEE PC and mobile phone) |
| 15:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Windows or linux? If the latter, I'd use sox. |
| 15:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | flac | lame? |
| 15:39 | < gnolam> | Either one would work, I guess (my desktop computer runs Windows 7, the EEE runs Xubuntu). |
| 15:48 | < PinkFreud> | gnolam: easier to turn them into ogg |
| 15:48 | < PinkFreud> | oggenc *.flac |
| 15:48 | < PinkFreud> | that'll also transfer all of the metadata, too |
| 15:50 | < gnolam> | Unfortunately, ogg is made of fail. |
| 15:51 | < gnolam> | And won't work on my phone. |
| 15:51 | < PinkFreud> | heh |
| 15:51 | < PinkFreud> | (works on mine! *duck*) |
| 15:51 | | * TheWatcher has yet to understand the latter problem. |
| 15:52 | < gnolam> | ? |
| 15:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Why should any device that provides media playing facilities /not/ include ogg vorbis playback. |
| 15:53 | <@TheWatcher> | It makes no sense to me. |
| 15:53 | <@jerith> | TheWatcher: Because Apple would rather push its own format? |
| 15:53 | <@jerith> | Yay DRM! ;_; |
| 15:54 | < PinkFreud> | and thus why you'd never catch me with an iphone/ipod/ipad/itoilet/... |
| 15:54 | < gnolam> | MP3 decoding hardware is cheap and ubiquitous. |
| 15:55 | < PinkFreud> | s/hardware/software/ |
| 15:55 | < PinkFreud> | don't kid yourself, gnolam. it's all done in software. |
| 15:56 | <@TheWatcher> | gnolam: no, just phone software developers being dicks. |
| 15:57 | < gnolam> | PinkFreud: I wouldn't be so sure. On a modern smartphone, sure, but this phone has been around for a few years. |
| 15:57 | < PinkFreud> | it's still done in the firmware |
| 15:58 | < PinkFreud> | only bit of hardware involved is the processor :) |
| 16:00 | < gnolam> | On "battery life is everything" devices, hardware decoders are not uncommon. It's H.264 nowadays, but MP3 decoding features were fairly standard on chipsets from a few years ago. |
| 16:02 | < PinkFreud> | heh |
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| 16:05 | < gnolam> | And even in a pure software environment, OGG was more expensive to decode, last I checked. |
| 16:07 | < gnolam> | I'm not even sure there's a reference ARM decoder available. |
| 16:07 | < gnolam> | (If not, that's one more thing to license - all for a potential target audience of .nexttonothing%) |
| 16:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Tremor, the fixed-point reference implementation has ARM, coldfire, MIPS, TI DSP, and a bunch of other ports, and is New BSD licensed. |
| 16:33 | < PinkFreud> | gnolam: that audience includes Android users. |
| 17:18 | < gnolam> | Yes? The percentage of users that care about Vorbis is still miniscule. |
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