| --- Log opened Mon Apr 05 00:00:46 2010 |
| 00:06 | <@McMartin> | Hum |
| 00:06 | | * McMartin finds stuff at github, has no idea what to do with it or how to download it. |
| 00:07 | < Namegduf> | It doesn't have a clone URL? |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | Namegduf: OK, looks like my question is actually "I have no idea how git works, like, at all." |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | I guess clone URLs are the whatever.git thing? |
| 00:09 | < Namegduf> | McMartin: If you can find a clone URL, it's "git clone <url>" |
| 00:09 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | Right then |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Also looks like I won't be doing this in the MSYS part. |
| 00:15 | | * McMartin is hoping to set up Parchment versions of his various IF games. |
| 00:23 | <@McMartin> | There we go |
| 00:28 | | * McMartin snerks |
| 00:28 | <@McMartin> | http://code.google.com/p/parchment/issues/detail?id=124 |
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| 17:16 | | * McMartin prepares the traditional morning Arrogant Developer Emails. |
| 17:16 | <@McMartin> | "The fact that this looks broken clearly shows that there is a problem with your test protocol." |
| 17:33 | < gnolam> | Mmm, Developer Egos... |
| 17:35 | <@McMartin> | To be fair, the reported bug is on a codepath that from start to failure-point hasn't changed since the last time they validated it |
| 17:35 | <@McMartin> | So I would in fact put a good 9-in-10 chance of either this test being wrong or the last one being so. |
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| 17:40 | < Tarinaky> | Can someone tell me whether or not applications running in WINE can access symbolic links? :/ |
| 17:40 | < Tarinaky> | I'm not sure if I'm having a problem due to WINE or my own incompetence. |
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| 17:43 | <@McMartin> | Tarinaky: Tricky. I don't know offhand, and I also don't know if WINE treats them transparently or treats them as Windows Reparse Points |
| 17:44 | < Tarinaky> | From my testing it appears the answer is "no" :/ |
| 17:44 | <@McMartin> | gnolam: Yay, failed to repro~ |
| 17:44 | < gnolam> | Heh. |
| 17:45 | <@McMartin> | On the other hand, now I have to figure out how the Hell they got the results they did. |
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| 17:46 | < Tarinaky> | Also: Anyone have any idea why running a second (idle) Xorg server fixes my issues with Compiz and WINE both wanting to control rendering? |
| 17:46 | < Tarinaky> | :/ |
| 17:46 | < Tarinaky> | It's a little odd. |
| 17:46 | <@McMartin> | o_O |
| 17:47 | <@McMartin> | Hilariously, I've only ever run WINE inside a VM running on a Windows host |
| 17:48 | < Tarinaky> | I was trying to side step the issue by running the wine app on its own display (Xorg :1 & env DISPLAY=:1.0 wine foo)... |
| 17:48 | < Tarinaky> | After having trouble with the second Xorg window not having any sort of acceleration I quit and discovered that dwarf fortress would run without flicker on my main display. |
| 17:48 | < Tarinaky> | :/ |
| 17:48 | < Tarinaky> | It's a bit odd. |
| 17:49 | <@McMartin> | This is going to sound a little strange, but how did you work out that this approach might be a fruitful line of attack in the first place? |
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| 17:50 | < Tarinaky> | The problem is that Compiz doesn't like direct rendering. It works fine if Compiz isn't running. |
| 17:50 | < Tarinaky> | I don't like turning compiz on and off because it messes up other things. (position and size of windows as well as looking ugly) |
| 17:51 | <@McMartin> | Oho |
| 17:51 | <@McMartin> | Right |
| 17:51 | < Tarinaky> | So running the WINE app on its own display - without a window manager of any kind. |
| 17:51 | < Tarinaky> | Would sidestep any competition. |
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| 18:04 | < gnolam> | IME, Compiz doesn't like anything else that uses 3D acceleration. |
| 18:07 | <@McMartin> | Which Dwarf Fortress needs to draw its extended ASCII text. |
| 18:20 | < Tarinaky> | Compiz plays nice with most Native apps these days. |
| 18:21 | < Tarinaky> | Well, I say plays nice - there are 'quirks' but nothing showstopping |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | The two main quirks is that the window will be drawn ontop of everything - even when it doesn't have focus and that when it's moved it won't redraw the area it's left until something else redraws that part of the screen. |
| 18:22 | < Tarinaky> | But, you know... maneageable. |
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| 18:37 | | * gnolam blarghs at the new Youtube interface. |
| 18:37 | < gnolam> | There doesn't seem to be a way to hide comments anymore. :P |
| 18:38 | < gnolam> | Instant SAN loss with every video, in other words. |
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| 19:15 | | * gnolam ponders materials handling. |
| 19:43 | < gnolam> | (To be specific: how much coupling between it and the actual textures is going to be acceptable) |
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| 20:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | gnolam: userjs. |
| 20:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | For the comments, I mean. Not the materials handling. |
| 20:07 | <@McMartin> | gnolam: Hmmm. I recall OpenGL being a prick about that intersection point |
| 20:28 | < gnolam> | Rargh. |
| 20:28 | < gnolam> | I just realized there'll be significant coupling to the models as well. |
| 20:28 | < gnolam> | Specifically, with the texture coordinates. |
| 20:29 | < gnolam> | (Main texture, detail texture(s), bump/normal map, specular map, etc) |
| 20:32 | < gnolam> | Some can be generated on the fly, some need to be pregenerated, and some need to be mapped separately. At least the latter two will need storage. |
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| 21:10 | <@AnnoDomini> | Is there a way to make a kind of shortcut to a virtual box instance? I don't like having to load up the application, and only then launch the appropriate machine. |
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| 21:34 | <@McMartin> | AnnoDomini: VirtualBox -startvm vm_name_or_uuid |
| 21:35 | <@McMartin> | Though it doesn't look like you need it for this, it doesn't have the kind of localized file thing that VMware or Parallels does that would let you associate, say, VMware Player with a .vmx file |
| 21:36 | <@McMartin> | But if you just want to make a shortcut that is "start the Karmic Koala VM", then you'd have a shortcut to VirtualBox.exe with the arguments -startvm "Karmic Koala". |
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| 22:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | McMartin: Thank you. That worked. |
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| --- Log closed Tue Apr 06 00:00:47 2010 |