| --- Log opened Mon Jan 11 00:00:01 2010 |
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| 07:59 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by Reiver |
| 09:19 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | Gnar. "string does not name a type" |
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| 10:20 | <@AnnoDomini> | Stupid thing working with <string> but not with <string.h>. |
| 10:20 | | * AnnoDomini leaves. |
| 10:45 | <@McMartin> | Those are completely different files for completely different languages. |
| 10:45 | <@McMartin> | string.h is where strcpy and strlen and friends are defined. string defines std::string. |
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| 10:53 | < gnolam> | The C Programming Language, by Brian W Kernighan, Dennis M Ritchie & HP Lovecraft: http://www.bobhobbs.com/files/kr_lovecraft.html |
| 10:57 | < Zedidiah> | Great. Book. |
| 10:58 | < Zedidiah> | I just found my copy in the closet again yesterday. :) |
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| 17:20 | < AbuDhabi> | THEN ENGLAND WILL DRIFT OUT TO SEA. |
| 17:20 | < Namegduf> | You and your mischans. |
| 17:22 | < AbuDhabi> | This was not a mischan. It's related! Really! |
| 17:56 | | Vornicus-Latens is now known as Vornicus |
| 18:26 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 18:55 | | Derakon[work] [Derakon@Nightstar-1ffd02e6.ucsf.edu] has joined #code |
| 18:58 | | * Derakon[work] mutters at arcane build issues. |
| 18:58 | < Derakon[work]> | I think that my crash-on-start problem is due to a dependency mismatch of some kind. |
| 18:58 | < Derakon[work]> | I just don't have a clue what is wrong. |
| 18:59 | < Derakon[work]> | Besides that it crashes, of course. |
| 18:59 | <@TheWatcher> | :( |
| 18:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Can't run in a debugger and grab the stack trace? |
| 19:00 | < Derakon[work]> | I did. |
| 19:00 | < Derakon[work]> | It crashes during SWIG_init(). |
| 19:00 | < Derakon[work]> | I put a print statement at the beginning of that function. It doesn't print. |
| 19:09 | <@TheWatcher> | hm. tried looking at it in processmonitor to see where it's pulling the library from? |
| 19:15 | < Derakon[work]> | I'm not really all that experienced at Windows debugging... |
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| 19:18 | < Derakon[work]> | Bah. Three reasons why this is frustrating: 1) I'm trying to debug a complex undocumented system with an arcane problem. 2) It's on Windows. 3) My boss wants some firm answers and I don't have a goddamned clue when I'll have them. |
| 19:28 | | * Derakon[work] ponders finding a forum of SWIG/Python experts and asking them. |
| 19:28 | | * TheWatcher alas fits neither, or he'd offer to assist |
| 19:28 | | * Derakon[work] nods. |
| 19:28 | < Derakon[work]> | Your support is appreciated nonetheless. :) |
| 19:32 | | * Vornicus knows Python but it's entirely python-side. |
| 19:32 | <@Vornicus> | And your skills with it probably surpass mine by now. |
| 19:32 | < Derakon[work]> | Yeah, and that's what I thought I was getting into for that matter. |
| 19:35 | < Namegduf> | You know, it should have struck me to ask here days ago, because it's the kinda interesting problem that is probably useful to ask about. |
| 19:36 | < Namegduf> | Are there any good existing algorithms to find good subsets of data to store in a dictionary? |
| 19:36 | <@Vornicus> | what do you mean? |
| 19:36 | < Namegduf> | Not involving the kind of magic LZW does to avoid actually listing dictionary phrases and having the decoder build it, too. |
| 19:36 | < Namegduf> | Vornicus: For compression, say. |
| 19:36 | <@Vornicus> | Oh. |
| 19:36 | < Namegduf> | The most common, largest repeated elements. |
| 19:57 | | * Derakon[work] tries to remember how to get file-based output working in C/C++, on the off-chance that his debugging output is showing up in a console that then immediately exits. |
| 19:58 | < Derakon[work]> | For some reason nmake doesn't like iostream, though, so I guess I'm working with fopen instead. |
| 19:58 | < Derakon[work]> | And then I get a link error. |
| 20:03 | < gnolam> | "doesn't like iostream"? |
| 20:04 | < gnolam> | (I personally can't stand C++'s IO functions and use C's whenever I can instead, but still) |
| 20:06 | < Derakon[work]> | Oh, wait, I forgot to #include fstream in addition to iostream. |
| 20:07 | < Derakon[work]> | Now I just have to deal with that link error. |
| 20:08 | < Derakon[work]> | ...durrr. |
| 20:08 | < Derakon[work]> | Can't overwrite the file while WinDbg is still debugging it. |
| 20:08 | < Derakon[work]> | And after all that, no file created. |
| 20:10 | <@TheWatcher> | ... I think your build environment is haunted. |
| 20:11 | < Derakon[work]> | It's just run by someone who shouldn't be trusted on Windows. I.e. me. |
| 20:12 | | * Derakon[work] posts a message at http://www.python-forum.org/pythonforum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16464 and goes to get lunch. |
| 21:16 | < Derakon[work]> | Said thread now has four views. Whaddaya wanna bet they're all from this channel? ?.? |
| 21:19 | <@McMartin> | Hate nmake. =( |
| 21:21 | < Derakon[work]> | At least with nmake I can build the damn thing, which is more than I can say for my attempts to make a "build solution" using Visual Studio itself. |
| 21:21 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, it's more that your predecessor should have done that :colbert: |
| 21:22 | <@McMartin> | If it gets bad enough, there's also http://www.scons.org/ |
| 21:23 | | * Derakon[work] eyes the wikipedia page for scones. |
| 21:23 | < Derakon[work]> | Er, scons. |
| 21:23 | < Derakon[work]> | Scones are good too, but I just had lunch. |
| 21:23 | < Derakon[work]> | At the moment, my wild-ass guess is that I have a dependency problem of some kind. I can't see as how scons would fix that. |
| 21:24 | < gnolam> | ... damn you, XKCD. |
| 21:24 | <@McMartin> | Anyway, I'm given to understand that scons can autogenerate working .sln and .vcproj files, which you could then devenv. |
| 21:24 | < Derakon[work]> | Ah. |
| 21:24 | < gnolam> | Specifically, the ass hyphen displacement comic. |
| 21:24 | < Derakon[work]> | Heh. I'd remembered same when I wrote that line. |
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| 21:35 | < Derakon[work]> | No discrepancies between what the Makefile's relying on and what the batch file is setting when it runs... |
| 21:35 | < Derakon[work]> | Assuming that my .lib and .dll files are in-sync, any reason why a program would build but not run due to dependencies? |
| 21:43 | | * TheWatcher is wondering if it's not compiling with one lot of dlls, but loading the things from somewhere else when run. |
| 21:44 | <@TheWatcher> | (I am just guessing with this, but it sounds an awful lot to me like this might just be a clash issue somehow) |
| 21:45 | < Derakon[work]> | That was my guess, but AFAICT they're using the same search paths. |
| 21:45 | <@McMartin> | I *think* ProcessExplorer will let you see loaded DLLs but I don't know if it shows the paths loaded. |
| 21:46 | < Derakon[work]> | I've put the makefiles and batch files here: http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/omxbuild |
| 21:46 | <@TheWatcher> | McM: it does |
| 21:46 | <@McMartin> | Might be a plausible vein of SCIENCE to mine. |
| 21:46 | < Derakon[work]> | I'm on it. |
| 21:47 | <@TheWatcher> | When enabled, the bottom pane will show all open files, directories, dlls, and other resources |
| 21:47 | < Derakon[work]> | ...no wonder this is taking forever. One of the directories that has general "stuff" that the program depends on is over 200MB. ;. |
| 21:47 | < Derakon[work]> | Er. ;.; |
| 21:48 | < Derakon[work]> | I'm not a cyclops just yet. |
| 21:49 | <@TheWatcher> | (I note you can also use ProcessMonitor to log things, which may be easier for a process that is falling over) |
| 21:51 | <@McMartin> | (OMGSPAM though) |
| 21:51 | | * Derakon[work] fires up Process Explorer and crashes the microscope program, then tries to figure out what he's looking at. |
| 21:52 | < Derakon[work]> | Okay, it is properly using python25.dll. |
| 21:52 | < Derakon[work]> | And it's loading the wx DLLs that I expected it to. |
| 21:53 | | * Derakon[work] checks the "Handles" view, sees an item of type KeyedEvent with name "\KernelObjects\CritSecOutOfMemoryEvent". |
| 21:53 | <@McMartin> | That's a semaphore. |
| 21:54 | < Derakon[work]> | Oookay. |
| 21:54 | < Derakon[work]> | Seems a bad name for something that isn't catastrophic. |
| 21:55 | <@McMartin> | That's the Event that holds the mutex that handles the Critical Section (mutex-protected code) that happens on OutOfMemory, at my guess. |
| 22:06 | < Derakon[work]> | Hm. The version that works (with Python 2.4) loads 7 wx DLLs of version 2.8.7.1. The version that doesn't loads 3 wx DLLs of version 2.8.9.2. |
| 22:10 | < Derakon[work]> | Looks like I'm missing wxbase28uh_net_vc.dll, wxmsw28uh_stc_vc.dll, wxmsw28uh_html_vc.dll, and wxmsw28uh_adv_vc.dll. |
| 22:10 | < Derakon[work]> | The question is, are they failing to load, or are they not being loaded before the crash happens? |
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| --- Log closed Tue Jan 12 00:00:03 2010 |