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| 00:19 | < Tarinaky> | Hey all. |
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| 00:34 | < Tarinaky> | No-one about? :/ |
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| 01:44 | < SmithKurosaki> | Not really |
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| 18:55 | < Derakon[work]> | Current status at work: built the microscope program, attached debugger, crashed program, debugger says "it's in ur libraries lol". |
| 18:55 | < Derakon[work]> | So now I'm trying to re-build with a newer version of Python so I can use a newer version of the library in question, in a desperate hope that this was fixed by the library sometime in the last three years. |
| 19:03 | <@Vornicus> | ;_; |
| 19:06 | < Derakon[work]> | (Said library is multiarray, which is part of numpy/scipi, which hasn't been built for Python 2.4 since 2007) |
| 19:07 | < Derakon[work]> | s/pi/py/ |
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| 19:36 | < AbuDhabi> | Yay! I has beaten Half-Life this time around. |
| 19:36 | < AbuDhabi> | Stupid, stupid nutsack. |
| 19:37 | < AbuDhabi> | The final boss fight took me hours. Only after I've expended most of my ammunition did I start to rethink my initial approach. <_< |
| 19:39 | <@Vornicus> | I hate Gonarch, it's very difficult to tell whether you're hurting it or not. |
| 19:40 | < Tarinaky> | It's time to choose. |
| 19:44 | < AbuDhabi> | Hmm. This machine just might meet system requirements for HL2. |
| 19:46 | < AbuDhabi> | It's 200 Mhz too slow (at least according to Windows), but I have heaps of RAM and a probably defective graphics card with more. |
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| 21:31 | | * Derakon[work] blarghs as the program crashes immediately on startup. |
| 21:32 | < Derakon[work]> | I assume I have some kind of dependency failure here. |
| 21:32 | < Derakon[work]> | Have I mentioned I hate dealing with dependencies? |
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| 21:43 | < AbuDhabi> | "Beautiful complexion, what do you use?" |
| 21:43 | < AbuDhabi> | "Gaussian blur..." |
| 21:43 | < Tarinaky> | AbuDhabi: I lolled. |
| 21:48 | < chintimin> | hahahahha |
| 21:49 | < chintimin> | That's a shop - and, as they say, I've seen some 'shops in my time. ^ ^ |
| 21:49 | < chintimin> | you can tell by the PIXELS. |
| 21:49 | | * chintimin hates that particular conceit. :) |
| 21:56 | < Namegduf> | I'm interested in opinions; how would one implement implicit multiplication in a typical mathematical expression parser? |
| 21:56 | < Namegduf> | The time I did it, I did it in the lexer; it literally would step back and insert a multiplication token if it found two eligible tokens together. |
| 21:57 | < Namegduf> | I'm wondering if this is considered horrible and such logic as belonging elsewhere (and if so, where/how) |
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| 22:12 | < Tarinaky> | Namegduf: From my reading I think this is considered acceptable. |
| 22:14 | < Namegduf> | Tarinaky: Okay, thanks. |
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| 22:17 | <@McMartin> | Namegduf: Looks fine. |
| 22:18 | < Namegduf> | Okay. |
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| 22:38 | | * chintimin waves at MCO |
| 22:39 | | * chintimin is all sorts of happy about his new sound thingie |
| 22:39 | < AbuDhabi> | MyCatVerbs: THE NUTSACK IS NO MORE. |
| 22:42 | < chintimin> | Gratz? |
| 22:43 | < AbuDhabi> | Also, trick-based boss fights expose my deep-set solution priorities. |
| 22:43 | < AbuDhabi> | Smash first, think if smashing yields inadequate results. |
| 22:44 | < chintimin> | ...heh. |
| 22:47 | < AbuDhabi> | I was shooting at it for like a half hour before I started to try to analyze the situation. |
| 22:52 | < Tarinaky> | Personally I always find it funnier when Trick Bosses aren't. |
| 22:52 | < Tarinaky> | The game tells you it's a trick boss but there's actually a way to outgun it. |
| 22:57 | <@Vornicus> | tgarinaky: the difficulty with that is that unfortunately there is also function calls. |
| 22:57 | <@Vornicus> | erp, not tarinaky |
| 22:58 | <@Vornicus> | Namegduf: the difficulty with that maneuver is that there are also function calls. |
| 22:58 | <@Vornicus> | sin(53) looks the same to the computer as sin * 53 in that sense. |
| 22:58 | < Derakon[work]> | You could check the symbol table to see if you have an entry for 'sin'... |
| 22:59 | < Derakon[work]> | But then you run into name conflicts. |
| 22:59 | <@Vornicus> | Quite. |
| 22:59 | < Derakon[work]> | Since as a general rule most languages won't prevent you from having a variable with the same name as a function. |
| 23:00 | <@Vornicus> | Or more like: functions /are/ variables. |
| 23:00 | <@Vornicus> | And at that, many languages give you the ability to make an object respond to calls and multiply |
| 23:00 | < Derakon[work]> | Point. |
| 23:01 | < Tarinaky> | About a week ago someone in here said they'd help me be less of a sucky programmer. |
| 23:01 | < Tarinaky> | I can't remember who though :/ |
| 23:18 | < AbuDhabi> | Look to the logs and the way will be open. |
| 23:20 | < Tarinaky> | My logs don't stretch that far back :( |
| 23:20 | < AbuDhabi> | Your Log-Fu is weak. |
| 23:21 | < Tarinaky> | We know this. |
| 23:23 | < Tarinaky> | Well. Anyway. I'll say again. I'm a sucky programmer :/ |
| 23:23 | < AbuDhabi> | This might have been McMartin, given his philosophy of helping out newbie programmers so that he may reap the outcome of their work. |
| 23:23 | < Tarinaky> | Whenever I get anything of any length I always end up wanting to delete it all and start again. |
| 23:24 | < Tarinaky> | AbuDhabi: Might have been. The name sounds about right. |
| 23:24 | < celticminstrel> | What sort of help? |
| 23:24 | < Tarinaky> | In truth I dunno. :/ |
| 23:24 | < celticminstrel> | What language(s) do you program in? |
| 23:24 | < Tarinaky> | I can write a short script or a function or an object or whatever but when it comes to trying to make anything nontrivial I always end up in a mess :/ |
| 23:25 | < Tarinaky> | I know C++ quite well. |
| 23:25 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, nice. I've spent some time learning about some of the more obscure details of C++... though that doesn't mean I remember them all. |
| 23:26 | < Tarinaky> | I occasionally have to look stuff up but it normally doesn't take me too long >.> |
| 23:26 | < celticminstrel> | But it sounds like your troubles are more in style and algorithm than in knowledge of the language. |
| 23:26 | < Tarinaky> | Yeah. |
| 23:27 | < celticminstrel> | Maybe you could give an example of one of these messes? |
| 23:27 | < Tarinaky> | I could do. |
| 23:27 | | * AbuDhabi would be a better programmer if RPGs weren't more fun than mucking in code. :p |
| 23:27 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 23:27 | < Tarinaky> | AbuDhabi: That's a problem too. |
| 23:28 | < Tarinaky> | celticminstrel: Suggestions on where I can dump some source code files? |
| 23:28 | < AbuDhabi> | pastie.org |
| 23:28 | < celticminstrel> | Or you could try sending them through the IRC thing. |
| 23:28 | < celticminstrel> | What's it called, DCC or something? |
| 23:29 | < AbuDhabi> | Tarinaky: Do you still have that server? Hunity or something? |
| 23:29 | < Tarinaky> | AbuDhabi: Ooo! |
| 23:32 | < Tarinaky> | Gimmie a second. ftp is being slow :/ |
| 23:34 | < Tarinaky> | http://www.bazjacob.plus.com/parser/ |
| 23:39 | < Tarinaky> | So now you can see the full horror of my inability to code >.< |
| 23:39 | < Derakon[work]> | Blagh. |
| 23:40 | < Derakon[work]> | So a week or two before I went on vacation, I was working on cleaning up some of the code in the program. |
| 23:40 | < Derakon[work]> | I didn't leave it in a usable state, though; it's visually cleaner but largely nonfunctional. |
| 23:40 | < Derakon[work]> | And now I have new work coming in. |
| 23:40 | | * Derakon[work] fires up the ol' backup-and-revert. |
| 23:51 | < Tarinaky> | celticminstrel: DCC doesn't work for me. |
| 23:51 | < celticminstrel> | Ah. |
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