code logs -> 2009 -> Mon, 02 Nov 2009< code.20091101.log - code.20091103.log >
--- Log opened Mon Nov 02 00:00:48 2009
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00:37 * gnolam hugs GLSL.
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01:06
< gnolam>
Of course, I also want to stab some of its implementers.
01:07
< gnolam>
*cough*Lack of noise*() support*cough*
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01:47
< gnolam>
Arghl
01:48
< gnolam>
I suspect that three o' clock in the morning is not the best time to be doing tricky math.
01:54
< McMartin>
http://www.eblong.com/zarf/mutagen/index.html
01:54
< McMartin>
Automatic Edward Gorey simulator
01:59
< gnolam>
Lochlan's dear goldfish went missing that noon.
01:59
< gnolam>
The Duchess was summoned
01:59
< gnolam>
to search the lagoon.
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03:03
< dmlandrum>
Referring to someone as being "misplaced" is actually the one of the funnest bits of phrase-turning I've seen in a while.
03:03
< SmithKurosaki>
o.0
03:04
< dmlandrum>
In reference to McMartin's link above.
03:05
< SmithKurosaki>
Etienne, a toddler, disappeared into an antiquated cellar whilst on sabbatical in Saxony.
03:06
< SmithKurosaki>
This one is p. good
03:06
< SmithKurosaki>
Joseph, a boy of distinct wit, sublimated without a trace while exploring Somerville.
03:08
< gnolam>
dmlandrum: Better than "turbine-rich exhaust"?
03:08
< dmlandrum>
That's a pretty good one.
03:11
< dmlandrum>
Last week Yvette, an unflappable flapper, sublimated at sea.
03:11
< dmlandrum>
Heh
03:23
< gnolam>
... aaand Kubuntu Karmic is also utter crap.
03:24
< gnolam>
Just thought I'd check that too before I ended Linux's reign on my laptop.
03:25
< SmithKurosaki>
Done OpenSuse or Fedora yet/
03:25
< SmithKurosaki>
(Also, 9.04 is good)
03:25
< SmithKurosaki>
9,10, not hearing such good things about
03:28
< gnolam>
I'm not going to go through the list and hope that there's /some/ distro out there that isn't crap.
03:30
< SmithKurosaki>
Both TF and I have used fedora and opensuse very successfully
03:31
< dmlandrum>
I've all but written Linux completely off.
03:31
< dmlandrum>
I have Ubuntu 9.04 netbook remix on my netbook, but that might not stay there.
03:34
< SmithKurosaki>
Mine is perfectly fine
03:34
< SmithKurosaki>
What are you on dm
03:35
< dmlandrum>
You mean at the moment?
03:35
< dmlandrum>
Windows XP
03:36
< dmlandrum>
I'm looking to get the Windows 7 college upgrade, since I qualify for it.
03:36
< dmlandrum>
But no hurry, since one driver I need is not ready yet.
03:36
< SmithKurosaki>
I meant the hardware
03:36
< dmlandrum>
Oh
03:36
< SmithKurosaki>
:p
03:37
< dmlandrum>
Well, my desktop is an Athlon64 X2 6000+ (3.1Ghz clock), 2GB RAM, 3xSATA300 hard disks, with an Nvidia chipset (or chupseat if you're from New Zillund), and an Echo MiaMIDI sound card (that's the driver I'm waiting on).
03:39
< gnolam>
Actually, I might just keep Kubuntu around a bit, just to show everyone I know.
03:39
< gnolam>
So they too can boggle at the sheer unusability of it.
03:40
< dmlandrum>
Aww, no classic Trevor Rabin on Youtube, other than 80s Yes.
03:41
< SmithKurosaki>
:(
03:50
< gnolam>
It's amazing how unresponsive they've made the whole system.
03:51
< gnolam>
Something as simple as going to another menu category takes /seconds/.
03:51
< dmlandrum>
Well, everyone asked for it to be just like Windows. Be careful what you wish for.
03:51
< gnolam>
Sometimes it becomes completely unresponsible for half a minute or more.
03:52
< gnolam>
Trying to shut it down? Well, the default shutdown sound also takes several seconds, and has to complete before it will even consider actually shutting down.
03:56
< dmlandrum>
Ooh, did they get a different has-been prog rocker to do the sounds?
03:57
< gnolam>
When I finally figured out how to install a package in KPackageKit, I wondered why I didn't seem to have any installed. Then it dawned on me that the visual difference between the "not installed" and "installed" icons was so minuscule that you have to scrutinize each one carefully to determine its status.
03:59
< SmithKurosaki>
Well, I have never used Kubuntu, but the UNR for the eeepcs is nice and normal ubuntu
03:59
< SmithKurosaki>
The xubuntu I was using before on my old eeepc worked really well
04:00
< SmithKurosaki>
(Until I started damaging the computer)
04:00
< gnolam>
I changed the theme at start. I'm trying to see if setting another one can make it less awful. Doing that is simple, right? It should be something like System Settings->Theme and... ummm...
04:00
< gnolam>
Yeah, I've been looking for 10 minutes now and still haven't found where you actually change the theme.
04:01
< gnolam>
They've even gone to the trouble of inserting red herrings like System Settings->Appearance to confuse you.
04:02
< SmithKurosaki>
You mean the colors wtc? Right click on the desktop and click on change desktop bg or similar
04:04
< gnolam>
Besides that it's horribly illogical not to put that among the four different "look and feel" categories, it... doesn't appear to do anything.
04:05
< gnolam>
This is like a /study/ in How Not To Design A Usable System!
04:06
< SmithKurosaki>
Yea
04:06
< SmithKurosaki>
I am used to ubuntu, so I don
04:06
< SmithKurosaki>
't notice a lot of these problems
04:07
< SmithKurosaki>
I think you would like OpenSuse though
04:07
< SmithKurosaki>
The entire configuration set can be launched from a control panel like thing, or can be handled (for the most part) by the command line still)
04:07
< gnolam>
And I think I'm tired of semi-working Linux distros and should just install XP on it.
04:08 * SmithKurosaki shrugs
04:09
< Kazriko>
it works perfectly fine on my system.
04:09
< Kazriko>
I just changed my theme straight from the system->preferences->appearance menu.
04:13
< Kazriko>
it's utterly trivial to switch UNR to full desktop mode IIRC.
04:13
< SmithKurosaki>
yea
04:13
< SmithKurosaki>
(The button is on the UNR screen)
04:14
< SmithKurosaki>
And, since I like having a desktop, I did and then it broke somehow, o can't go back to the unr now
04:27 * Vornicus tries desperately to undistract.
04:29
< SmithKurosaki>
Good luck
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04:40
< dmlandrum>
YAY! I'm finally getting comments scolding me for making fun of someone in a blog post.
04:51
< Orthia>
<dmlandrum> Well, my desktop is an Athlon64 X2 6000+ (3.1Ghz clock), 2GB RAM, 3xSATA300 hard disks, with an Nvidia chipset (or chupseat if you're from New Zillund), and an Echo MiaMIDI sound card (that's the driver I'm waiting on).
04:51 Orthia is now known as Reivthia
04:52
< Reivthia>
I'm rather curious why the snipe was made at new zealanders. As far as I can tell, it's not terribly in context...
04:52
< dmlandrum>
My apologies. I thought it was funny at the time.
04:52
< Reivthia>
I was mostly curious as to why it was done - not hunting an apology. :p
04:52
< dmlandrum>
I've been spending a lot of time scouring Youtube for Australian comedy stuff, and a lot of it is snipes at New Zealanders.
04:53
< Reivthia>
Ah-hah. Right then.
04:53 Reivthia is now known as Reiver
04:53
< dmlandrum>
Lots of clips of a show called Spicks and Specks, which I quite like.
04:54
< dmlandrum>
I was just trying to be funny.
04:54
< Reiver>
Fair enough.
04:54
< Reiver>
Was just an exceedingly random bit of funny to be found in the middle of a technical discussion. :P
04:54
< dmlandrum>
Oh, you need to meet me in person.
04:56
< dmlandrum>
But I can assure you, no offense was meant. Feel free to snipe back anytime.
04:57
< Reiver>
Well, I could, but it would just be cruel, and I try to be non-discriminatory.
04:57
< dmlandrum>
Heh
04:57
< Reiver>
I mean, it's not -your- fault you were born australian...
04:58
< dmlandrum>
Oh, I'm not. I'm American.
04:58
< dmlandrum>
But I'm also not.
04:58
< Reiver>
Ah, one of the confused ones.
04:58 * Reiver patpat.
04:58
< dmlandrum>
I don't identify myself in any particualrly nationalist way.
04:58
< dmlandrum>
Err, particularly
05:00
< dmlandrum>
I love British, Aussie, and New Zealand humor. One of my favorites is a lady named Cal Wilson.
05:01
< dmlandrum>
Not much of her stand-up on Youtube, but there are a number of clips of her in a show called Thank God You're Here. She's frickin' hilarious.
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05:02
< Reiver>
I know of it, yeah.
05:24
< dmlandrum>
Sorry, I do feel bad about that now.
05:24
< dmlandrum>
I should concentrate on making fun of stuff closer to home, like awarding Barack Obama the Heisman Trophy.
05:25
< Reiver>
-.^
05:25
< Reiver>
You seem to think I was offended or something.
05:25
< Reiver>
Frankly, I was just baffled where it came from.
05:26
< dmlandrum>
From a non-nationalistic American who watches too much comedy from other countries.
05:26
< dmlandrum>
I'm probably on a watch list now.
05:33
< Reiver>
Oh, several.
05:34
< Reiver>
Carnivore has already been alerted to your deviancy, and will continue to place you on its watchlist for the forseeable future.
05:34 * Reiver pthbt
05:34
< dmlandrum>
Anyway, I'm off to bed now. Goodnight.
05:35
< dmlandrum>
Well, night for me, anyway.
05:37
< Reiver>
ni
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06:43
< Vornicus>
b-tree insertion is surprisingly entertaining.
06:43
<@Derakon>
Those naughty Bt
06:43
<@Derakon>
B-trees...
06:44
< Rhamphoryncus>
Vornicus: with rebalancing?
06:45
< Rhamphoryncus>
oh yeah, I forget that b-tree is something specific, not just an abbreviation for binary tree
06:47
< Vornicus>
Right, the b-tree automatically rebalances. And somehow does it without actually looking like it does.
06:48
<@Derakon>
One of those algorithms that just happens to always work out...
06:49
< Vornicus>
It just goes "that put me over! send something up a level!" and then eventually it gets to the top.
06:51
< Vornicus>
It's amazingly elegant. Deletion is... not so much, locally, but once you've figured out what it's doing it goes really quickly.
06:57 * Reiver will have to pick your brains on that later, Vorn
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07:02
< Vornicus>
Deletion is "That put me under! shove something from one of my neighbors!' and then if that doesn't work "join me with my neighbors!" and if that doesn't work you must be at the empty root so it's "pull up the one below me"
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18:00
< gnolam>
Huh.
18:00
< gnolam>
This graphics card really doesn't like consecutive writes to a varying vec4.
18:04
< gnolam>
If I do that, the program actually /crashes/.
18:10
< McMartin>
Weird.
18:14
< SmithKurosaki>
Strange
18:20
< gnolam>
Oh well. GPU programming requires a lot of voodoo anyway.~
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18:44
< McMartin>
Are there loas that you can invoke that will make you a better shader programmer when they ride you?~
18:48
< gnolam>
Probably, but I think doing so would put Maas Biolabs on my trail.
19:00 * gnolam sics a slamhound on McMartin.
19:03 * McMartin abjures it, belatedly, thanks to fire alarm.
19:13
< McMartin>
To the attention of: ToxicFrog
19:13
< McMartin>
http://marc.info/?l=lua-l&m=125702997919739&w=2
19:13
< McMartin>
LuaJIT v2 out, actually beats the Intel Fortran compiler on some benchmarks (!)
19:17 * gnolam realizes he forsook a perfect opportunity to make a 3dfx joke back there.
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21:17
< McMartin>
Ah, wiigii'd code.
21:17
< McMartin>
"SetDetauksOrubt"
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21:36
< gnolam>
Hmm. Does anyone know if there are any /good/ screen capture programs out there besides FRAPS?
21:37
<@TheWatcher>
Tried Captivate?
21:37 * gnolam googles it.
21:38
< gnolam>
... a bit out of my price range.
21:38
<@TheWatcher>
Ah, a Budget is involved. In that case, I'm out of suggestions unfortunately - IME the other free ones tend to be singularly shitty
21:39
< Namegduf>
I have a digital camera.
21:40
< gnolam>
Oh no. I'm sure CamStudio is /excellent/ for all the people out there who want to capture video at 1 FPS. :P
21:41
< Pinkhair>
camstudio is great for making, say, tutoral videos
21:41
< Pinkhair>
and fraps is shitty for that
21:41
< Pinkhair>
so it is all cse of the right tool for the job
21:41
< Pinkhair>
camtasia is good
21:42
< Pinkhair>
and for games the wegame recorder and gamecam
21:43
< Pinkhair>
what are you trying to record?
21:45
< ToxicFrog>
Camtasia works fine for me, capturing 2d games.
21:46
< ToxicFrog>
I've also had good results with GameCam.
21:46
< ToxicFrog>
Both, however, are payware.
21:46
< Pinkhair>
yeah
21:46
< Pinkhair>
wegame is free, but qulity is an issue
21:47
< Pinkhair>
any openGL gurus handy, by the way?
21:48
< Pinkhair>
http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=26651 9&#Post266519
21:50
< gnolam>
... wegame? The spammers?
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22:07
< Derakon[work]>
% hg status | wc -l
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< Derakon[work]>
149
22:07
< Derakon[work]>
This is what I get for turning the "source list" into a "source tree".
22:07
< Derakon[work]>
On the plus side, I've cut the number of entries in the root directory to a third.
22:26 * Vornicus-Latens blargs
22:33
< Pinkhair>
spammers?
22:40
< Derakon[work]>
Right, the first glimpses of sanity are appearing in this codebase. ?.?
22:44
< Vornicus-Latens>
Yay sanity!
22:44
< gnolam>
Pinkhair: They trick people into "signing in" to their Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail accounts. They then send out a fraudulent "$person has sent you a picture" (register here to see it) e-mail to everyone in that account's contact list.
22:45
< gnolam>
Which is scummery of the first degree.
22:49
< Pinkhair>
hrn
22:49
< Pinkhair>
i remember a long while ago there was a prolem with them scriptbombing peoples facebook contacts
22:49
< Pinkhair>
but never heard the email thing
22:51
< Pinkhair>
But anyway, given how slipshod they are, that's probably them
22:51
< Pinkhair>
but regrdless, they have a free game recorder
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22:52
< gnolam>
Which given their conduct, I will never ever let onto any computer of mine. :P
22:52
< Vornicus-Latens>
Arg. Wish I had enough money to pay an artist.
22:52
< Pinkhair>
Vorn- for what?
22:53
< Pinkhair>
gnolam- fair enough
22:54
< Pinkhair>
I'll admit that most of my contact with the company being them giving me computers, I am slightly biased >.>
22:54
< Derakon[work]>
What company is this now?
22:54
< Vornicus-Latens>
Well, I need sprites, tiles, and backgrounds for a remake of the 1990 game King's Bounty.
22:54
< McMartin>
wegame, I assume
22:54
< Derakon[work]>
Ah.
22:54
< Derakon[work]>
(I missed the beginning of the conversation)
22:55
< Vornicus-Latens>
I could almost do the backgrounds myself - I am somewhat capable with oil paints - but the others I have no experience whatsoever in.
22:56 * Derakon[work] downloads some Python scripts that are supposed to generate a dependency graph for your code.
22:57
< Derakon[work]>
Disturbing warning message: "dot: graph is too large for bitmap. Scaling by 0.784275 to fit"
22:58
< Vornicus-Latens>
Heh
22:59
< Vornicus-Latens>
I have somewhere around here an asset list but it's kind of large.
22:59
< Derakon[work]>
% identify depgraph.png
22:59
< Derakon[work]>
depgraph.png PNG 32767x4036 32767x4036+0+0 8-bit DirectClass 23.73mb 7.750u 0:08
22:59
< Derakon[work]>
;.;
22:59
< Derakon[work]>
I must be doing something wrong...
23:00
< Derakon[work]>
Oh, fantastic. Since dot couldn't figure out font issues, all the module names are unidentified characters.
23:03
< Vornicus-Latens>
whups
23:03
< Pinkhair>
vorn- didn't they already remake kings bounty?
23:03
< Vornicus-Latens>
As a very different game.
23:03
< Vornicus-Latens>
I want the 1990 version, because this is for my father.
23:04
< Pinkhair>
ah, I see
23:04
< gnolam>
Behold! Time of day effects:
23:04
< gnolam>
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gnolam/temp/ocean_WIP_1.png
23:04
< gnolam>
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gnolam/temp/ocean_WIP_2.png
23:04
< gnolam>
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gnolam/temp/ocean_WIP_3.png
23:04
< gnolam>
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gnolam/temp/ocean_WIP_4.png
23:05
< Derakon[work]>
Interesting.
23:05
< Derakon[work]>
I'm used to seeing some haze at the horizon, mind you, but that might just be due to Pacifica being foggy.
23:06
< gnolam>
(It's a bit... umm... less impressive when you can't see it in action and see that the sun and moon follow their proper paths and so on)
23:06
< gnolam>
Oh, this is an early WIP.
23:06 * Derakon[work] nods.
23:06
< gnolam>
Fog comes Later.
23:06
< Derakon[work]>
Righto.
23:07
< gnolam>
And waves: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gnolam/temp/ocean_WIP_5.png
23:07
<@TheWatcher>
Neat :)
23:08
< gnolam>
As you can see, the waves don't actually extend out to the horizon either.
23:08
< Derakon[work]>
Now that is pretty cool.
23:08
< McMartin>
Oh, very nice indeed.
23:09
< gnolam>
That also comes Later, when I switch ex recto wave generation constants for calculated ones.
23:09 * Derakon[work] tries to figure out how the fuck to tell dot "Use this graph, dumbass".
23:11
< Derakon[work]>
Or maybe it's Pango that's at fault here.
23:15
< Derakon[work]>
Yep. Pango was looking in /usr/share/fonts for fonts instead of in /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts, where they actually are.
23:15
< Pinkhair>
vorn, can you give more details about specs?
23:21
< Vornicus-Latens>
Well, I'm looking for static tiles - square ones, with forest or mountain or sea or desert or castle, in a small variety of forms - edges, outside and inside corners, completely filled areas...
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23:24
< Pinkhair>
size, palette?
23:25
< Vornicus-Latens>
I'm looking at square, 256x256ish (generally, big enough that I can scale it down to whatever size I happen to need, which will generally be pretty big), 32bit.
23:26
< Vornicus-Latens>
Ah, I do have a list.
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23:30
< Pinkhair>
will they be alpha blended, or a simple tile matrix?
23:31
< Vornicus-Latens>
The monsters will have either alpha or masks, though I don't particularly care which so long as I can actually, you know. Use them.
23:31
< Vornicus-Latens>
Got an email address? I have a list of art assets that I figured I would need from a while ago. It'll give you some idea.
23:33
< Derakon[work]>
I generally find alpha blending to be easier to work with.
23:34
< Derakon[work]>
Just load up a PNG and you're off to the races.
23:34
< Vornicus-Latens>
But the tiles themselves are just plain "fill the box"
23:34
< Pinkhair>
I meant for tiles, yeah
23:35
< Pinkhair>
aogcomic@hotmail.com
23:39
< Vornicus-Latens>
Sent.
23:39
< McMartin>
What project is this for?
23:39
< Vornicus-Latens>
Realm's Ransom
23:39
< McMartin>
w00t
23:40
< Pinkhair>
ill check in a bit
23:40
< Vornicus-Latens>
As you can see, it's not exactly a very short list; this is why I would prefer to have money: it's easier to get something this size done when I can bludgeon my artist with cash.
23:40
< Pinkhair>
http is being really shitty today for some reason
23:41
< Pinkhair>
well cash would certainly help
23:41
< Pinkhair>
but taking a look can't hurt
23:42
< Pinkhair>
so did anyone have any thoughts re the open gl question?
23:42 * Vornicus-Latens looks back at it.
23:43 * Vornicus-Latens determines it to be beyond his skill.
23:47
< McMartin>
Yeah, afraid I got nothin' on that one
23:48
< Pinkhair>
ah well
23:49
< McMartin>
(I'm pretty sure I never counted as an OGL guru, anyway)
23:49
< Vornicus-Latens>
I certainly am not, despite some effort.
23:53
< Derakon[work]>
Okay, this is what the OMX dependency graph looks like, after pruning out a fair amount of system-level stuff and common libraries (e.g. wx, OpenGL, threading): http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/omxdepgraph.png
23:53
< Derakon[work]>
Warning: 7MB PNG.
23:54 * Vornicus-Latens weeps.
23:54
< Derakon[work]>
The stuff on the left is mostly just libraries.
23:55
< Derakon[work]>
It's that squarish block on the right that's the code I mostly deal with.
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