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| 15:59 | < gnolam> | I propose the death penalty for anyone who files a bug report / asks for support with the only description of the problem being that something "doesn't work". |
| 16:00 | | * TheWatcher seconds this eminently sensible proposal |
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| 16:00 | < simon`> | gnolam, just add arithmetic to captchas. |
| 16:04 | | * ErikMesoy thirds it but questions the slippery slope. How about "It doesn't work and I don't know why"? |
| 16:13 | < Namegduf> | That's bad, too. |
| 16:13 | < Namegduf> | You need to clarify at at what stage of its operation it "doesn't work". |
| 16:14 | < Namegduf> | Will it start? Does it fail to complete starting? Does it seem to start but fail to perform its function? Does it start, seem to be working, then stop before you can use it? |
| 16:15 | < ErikMesoy> | Also, we might need something above and beyond the death penalty for excruciatingly useless reports like "help". |
| 16:15 | < Namegduf> | Oh, yes. |
| 16:16 | < ErikMesoy> | Draft them to tech support? >:D |
| 16:20 | < simon`> | Namegduf, it's like when people say "I don't see anything on the screen." -- are people closing their eyes and not telling me? |
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| 16:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | This. |
| 16:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | It fills me with a terrible rage. |
| 16:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 16:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | How did I never notice the "Stage Line for Commit" command in gitgui? |
| 17:06 | | * ToxicFrog <3 git |
| 17:41 | < simon`> | there's a gitgui? |
| 17:42 | < simon`> | interestingly it's not on github :P |
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| 18:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | simon`: it's generally distributed with git |
| 18:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | try 'git gui' or 'git-gui' |
| 18:57 | < SmithKurosaki> | I have noticed that git-gui is normally how you find it in cmd line installers |
| 19:00 | < simon`> | interestingly, I needed to install git-gui in ubuntu, and then 'git gui' in the command line worked. |
| 19:01 | < SmithKurosaki> | Yea |
| 19:01 | < SmithKurosaki> | Sorry, was misinterpreting context |
| 19:01 | < SmithKurosaki> | But yea, that is a common setup that I have seen myself, which is 'install git-gui' and then run "git gui" |
| 19:02 | < simon`> | any of you on the ubuntu 9.10 wagon? |
| 19:03 | < SmithKurosaki> | 9.04 here |
| 19:04 | < simon`> | same here. I thought I'd upgrade, since more things broke from 8.10->9.04 than were fixed. |
| 19:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | my liveUSB had (among other things) 9.10 on it before I lost it :( |
| 19:06 | | * jerith is in the process of removing Karmic Kloaca from his netbook. |
| 19:06 | < SmithKurosaki> | :( |
| 19:06 | < jerith> | Firstly, Gnome dumbs things down more and more with every release. |
| 19:07 | < simon`> | jerith, I heard they removed options from the GDM login screen. |
| 19:07 | < jerith> | This may just be me disagreeing with their design decisions, but I think they're taking too much flexibility out in the name of simplicity. |
| 19:08 | < jerith> | Secondly, and far more importantly, the netbook remix ships with a main UI that is very obviously buggy and incomplete. |
| 19:08 | | * simon` doesn't plan to run GNOME anyways. I heard they're making some pretty cool back-end design choices for GNOME3, though. |
| 19:13 | | * jerith shrugs. |
| 19:13 | < jerith> | Modern desktop environments seem to be designed by people who deliberately want to make my life difficult. |
| 19:14 | < jerith> | I can live with that. |
| 19:16 | < jerith> | But when the final release of their new thing isn't even beta quality... |
| 19:17 | < jerith> | Anyway, the broken stuff is all in the UNR-specific bits as far as I can see. |
| 19:18 | < jerith> | So maybe it's only a subset of the Ubuntu team who doesn't care about their customers. |
| 19:30 | < gnolam> | jerith: Amen. |
| 19:31 | < gnolam> | I'm going to de-Linux my EEE PC as soon as I can find my USB stick. |
| 19:31 | < gnolam> | The GNOME that was in Karmic was the last straw. |
| 19:36 | | * Kazriko still hasn't tried karmic on it. |
| 19:37 | | * Kazriko needs 2 copies of windows 7. |
| 19:37 | <@Kazriko> | $640. :( |
| 19:38 | <@Kazriko> | I wonder if there's a cheaper version for netbooks. |
| 19:42 | < gnolam> | Hmm. Banding. |
| 19:42 | | * gnolam wants graphics cards and monitors capable of /displaying/ 32-bit floating point color space. |
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| 20:52 | < jerith> | gnolam: Jaunty's fine. |
| 21:10 | < gnolam> | And it too has a bunch of niggling annoyances, which I hoped would be fixed in Karmic. Instead, everything's /worse/. |
| 21:10 | < gnolam> | So with Ubuntu, I basically have the choice between "something that /almost/ works, with outdated programs" and "something that /doesn't/ work, with up-to-date programs". |
| 21:11 | < gnolam> | Or I could find my USB stick/get myself a new one and just give up and install XP on the machine. :P |
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| 21:16 | < McMartin> | I just put Karmic on my scratch machine. |
| 21:16 | < McMartin> | The Future Is Brown. |
| 21:17 | < McMartin> | Except for the parts which are inexplicably eye-searing yellow, but that's easily enough fixed. |
| 21:17 | < McMartin> | (They seriously haven't had a good default desktop image since Intrepid) |
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| 21:23 | < SmithKurosaki> | There we are |
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| 22:10 | < McMartin> | Hmm. Is there a reasonable, CSS-compliant way to render rectangles? |
| 22:10 | < McMartin> | I want to make a histogram, and <pre> blocks with #s is kind of lame |
| 22:11 | < EvilDarkLord> | Tables containing transparent images~ |
| 22:14 | < McMartin> | I was actually wondering if one could play games with <td> background colors or something |
| 22:16 | < gnolam> | You should be able to make every bar a separate div otherwise. :) |
| 22:17 | < McMartin> | Given that this HTML is autogenerated, I suppose I should *start* with the #s just to make sure it, you know, is generating correct data. |
| 22:25 | | * Kazriko goes to take the plunge on his main desktop. |
| 22:25 | <@Kazriko> | er, secondary desktop, :) |
| 22:45 | | * Kazriko updates his software to the latest 9.04 version... |
| 22:47 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 22:50 | | * Kazriko wonders if gnolam has tried xfce instead of gnome. |
| 22:50 | <@Kazriko> | may be a better choice than gnome for a netbook anyway. |
| 22:51 | | * Kazriko stopped being so picky about UI when it became clear that nobody was ever going to make a UI that he liked after OS/2 and Amiga both died. |
| 22:52 | <@Kazriko> | And Be... |
| 22:53 | | * Kazriko really misses template objects. |
| 22:53 | < McMartin> | Hey, JavaScript has those~ |
| 22:53 | | * McMartin runs |
| 22:53 | <@Kazriko> | bbl... |
| 22:54 | < McMartin> | And yeah, ISTR gnolam mentioning xfce before, though that might have been namedguf |
| 22:54 | <@Kazriko> | Wrong kind. Basically in Os/2 you can take any object on the desktop, make it a template, then when you drag it it makes a copy of itself, with all the associated stuff intact. |
| 22:54 | <@Kazriko> | It worked really well with my spindle datafiles. that's another thing I miss, but I could probably replicate that in gnome or windows. |
| 22:55 | < McMartin> | The closest thing I can think to that are .nibs. |
| 22:55 | | * McMartin must admit he's been abusing .plists a lot lately. |
| 22:55 | <@Kazriko> | Spindle was a tool where if you doubleclick it, it would append the clipboard to the spindle text file. |
| 22:56 | <@Kazriko> | Quite nice for saving data for later quickly. |
| 22:57 | <@Kazriko> | And object desktop just isn't the same on windows. :( |
| 22:57 | < McMartin> | That's pretty cute. |
| 22:58 | <@Kazriko> | I'm glad that they're finally getting smooth window scaling down though in the new compiz stuff. |
| 22:59 | <@Kazriko> | That's a feature that I've been wanting for an eternity. :) |
| 22:59 | <@Kazriko> | ok, restarting... |
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| 23:05 | | * KazWork logs into his irssi session... |
| 23:09 | < KazWork> | i'm finding it hard to get info on anything starting with a . :( |
| 23:11 | < KazWork> | I think I know how to do template-like and spindle-like things in windows, but it's a lot of digging around in the guts of the OS to do it. |
| 23:11 | < KazWork> | whereas on os/2 it was a tiny little rexx script and a single option in the preferences panel. |
| 23:20 | < KazWork> | 2199 files to upgrade for koala... |
| 23:20 | < KazWork> | 22 minutes to download. heh |
| 23:30 | | * Vornicus was apparently going to say something to McM, but has completely forgotten what the heck it was. |
| 23:33 | < McMartin> | Well, I'll be around. |
| 23:33 | < McMartin> | Hmm, I have a few hundred packages that need upgrading too. |
| 23:34 | < Vornicus> | Heh |
| 23:38 | | * KazWork starts building his own custom Modbus command. |
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