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| 07:09 | < Alek> | "Opera 10 has fulfilled the dreams of my childhood." |
| 07:09 | < Alek> | "Pictures now load from the bottom up." |
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| 07:42 | <@jerith> | http://www.pyweek.org/e/Rinkhals/ <-- A game! I wrote one! |
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| 08:56 | <@jerith> | Derakon[AFK]: I'd be interested in your opinions on Operation Fox Assault: http://www.pyweek.org/e/Rinkhals/ |
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| 10:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmmm. What're the fonts typically used in fiction books? |
| 10:36 | <@McMartin> | Helvetica. |
| 10:39 | | * AnnoDomini goes download that, it being not in his fonts library. |
| 10:39 | <@McMartin> | It's a font class |
| 10:40 | <@McMartin> | I believe Times New Roman would count. |
| 10:40 | <@McMartin> | That said, is this for a manuscript or a finished product? |
| 10:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | This is for learning to read fast. |
| 10:40 | <@McMartin> | Got it. |
| 10:40 | <@McMartin> | TNR will do you. |
| 10:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Huh. I never noticed that they use TNR for books. It always looks much nicer in books than it does on the screen and the printouts I do. |
| 10:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | For stuff I print for showing to friends, I typically use Tahoma or Verdana. |
| 10:47 | <@McMartin> | Oh. |
| 10:47 | <@McMartin> | I may be wrong about this |
| 10:47 | <@McMartin> | ButI think Helvetica is a large class of fonts, which includes all three of those. |
| 10:47 | <@McMartin> | Find some books you like the typesetting in and check their colophon; it usually names the font they used. |
| 10:58 | <@AnnoDomini> | It's not so much that I want to pick a font that I like - I want to pick a font that is commonly used, so I can learn to read that font fast. I understand the difference will be minute, at best, but it probably won't hurt. |
| 10:59 | <@McMartin> | Select some books randomly and check their colophons, then |
| 10:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | Mm'kay. |
| 11:02 | <@AnnoDomini> | Let's see. Polish-Russian Dictionary. Synthesis and Optimalization of Digital Circuits. Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. Snow Crash. C++ Object Oriented Programming. |
| 11:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | Can't find a colophon in any of these. |
| 11:12 | <@McMartin> | Hm. |
| 11:13 | | * McMartin checks the two books nearest him, finds they don't have them either. |
| 11:13 | <@McMartin> | Irritating. |
| 11:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | I checked a half dozen more from my archives. It appears the most they print nowadays is "Typesetting by $company". |
| 11:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, checked a number here and I have the same thing - nothing, or just 'typesetting by' |
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| 11:31 | | * AnnoDomini picks Georgia. |
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| 18:59 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Helvetica is a very specific sans serif font, and one of the most popular. |
| 18:59 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Most fiction books use serif fonts. |
| 19:00 | < Vornicus-Latens> | (such as Times New Roman, Goudy Old Style, or Big Caslon) |
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| 19:03 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Indeed most books in general use serif fonts - they're generally considered to be easier to read large chunks of. |
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| 19:30 | < gnolam> | The general rule is to use serif fonts for printed works and sans serif for on-screen fonts. |
| 19:32 | < Vornicus-Latens> | YOu also use sans serif very often for titles and similar things - bumper stickers, billboards, etc. |
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| 20:09 | < gnolam> | And then there's Comic Sans, the use of which should be punishable by death. |
| 20:12 | <@Vornicus> | Heh |
| 20:18 | < gnolam> | The organizers of a local event I might be attending explicitly use Comic Sans for their web page. In their inline styled HTML. >_< |
| 20:19 | < gnolam> | And their layout and color schemes include such gems as "bright green on light gray" or "beige text on a landscape photo". |
| 20:19 | < gnolam> | Every time I view that page I feel the need to bathe in bleach. |
| 20:21 | < gnolam> | All it lacks is a javascript right-click override and a spinning skull gif. :P |
| 20:44 | < AnnoDomini> | gnolam: Suggest those, then submit the site to one of those 'worst site ever' competitions. |
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| 23:29 | < gnolam> | Argh. |
| 23:29 | < gnolam> | AVR programmers are ridiculously expensive around here it seems. :P |
| 23:33 | | * gnolam stabs Google yet again for the godawful silent search term replacement "feature". |
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