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| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | (Ceilingcat is watching you deallocate) |
| 00:12 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:22 | <@SmithKurosaki> | <McMartin> (Ceilingcat is watching you deallocate |
| 00:27 | <@McMartin> | Mmmnyes? |
| 00:53 | <@Vornicus> | My brother has a Garmin GPS. He calls is San Diego. |
| 01:58 | < Consul> | Derakon[AFK]: I have a question for you when you get back. :-P |
| 02:38 | <@SmithKurosaki> | It was extremely amusin |
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| 05:36 | < Consul> | There you are... |
| 05:36 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, I've been busy today. What's up? |
| 05:36 | < Consul> | Weapon sounds... |
| 05:36 | <@Derakon> | Ahh. |
| 05:37 | < Consul> | What kind of weapons will Jetblade feature? |
| 05:37 | <@Derakon> | The plan is for a mix of melee and sci-fi ranged. |
| 05:37 | < Consul> | Actually, I'll BRB... |
| 05:37 | <@Derakon> | The protagonist gets blades on his limbs that he can hit with, but he starts out without them so it's fists and feet. |
| 05:40 | < Consul> | For me, that means meat and a baseball bat. :-) |
| 05:40 | <@Derakon> | Heh. Have fun. |
| 05:40 | < Consul> | So I'll want some air-swoosh kind of sounds, too? |
| 05:40 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, might be a good idea. |
| 05:40 | <@Derakon> | I've never done sound design. |
| 05:41 | < Consul> | Well, you still have a good idea what things will need to make sounds. |
| 05:41 | <@Derakon> | If you want to trigger a sound effect, put the sound in data/sfx and then call game.soundManager.playSound('soundname.ogg'). |
| 05:42 | <@Derakon> | And you can, in the current version, get into a fight with a very stupid but nevertheless effective opponent, and either of you can die (with zero fanfare). |
| 05:43 | < Consul> | Are you still planning a round-robin sound switcher like we discussed? |
| 05:43 | <@Derakon> | Oh, yeah, yeah, that's planned (though I'd forgotten it). It's not yet implemented though. |
| 05:43 | < Consul> | I'll just worry about recording for now. |
| 05:43 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 05:44 | < Consul> | I'm going to try to get various footfalls this weekend. |
| 05:44 | <@Derakon> | Cool. |
| 05:44 | <@Derakon> | I'll have to add a playFootFall to TerrestrialObject and a FootfallSfx field to Block objects. |
| 05:44 | < Consul> | So, I take it laser weapons make an appearance? I have my slinky and a contact mic at the ready. :-) |
| 05:44 | <@Derakon> | Not gonna be this weekend though; my brother's getting married so my dev time is limited. |
| 05:45 | <@Derakon> | Hee. |
| 05:45 | <@Derakon> | Lasers or some generic blaster or whatever; it's planned but only fuzzily. |
| 05:45 | <@Derakon> | Of course, we can give whatever we want to the opponents. |
| 05:45 | < Consul> | Maybe a light saber type sound as well? |
| 05:45 | <@Derakon> | Hrm...hadn't planned anything along those lines, but if you want to, by all means. I'm sure we can find a use. |
| 05:46 | < Consul> | Just as well. Light saber sounds are actually hard to do. |
| 05:47 | <@Derakon> | It's surprising sometimes what is and isn't easy. |
| 05:47 | < Consul> | Burtt's original solution was bloody ingenious. |
| 05:48 | <@Derakon> | What was it? |
| 05:48 | < Consul> | He had a tape loop of the basic hum sound. To get the doppler effect from the swinging, he attached a mic to a saber-like pole, then swung it around in front of a speaker playing the basic hum, in syn with the film. |
| 05:49 | < Consul> | sync* |
| 05:49 | <@Derakon> | Hah! Nice. |
| 05:49 | | * Rhamphoryncus types in a random hg command, hopes it's the right one.. given his history of cvs, svn, bzr, and git... |
| 05:49 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hmm says to run hg update. Sure, I'll try that! |
| 05:56 | < Consul> | Anyway, off to bed for me. Night! |
| 05:57 | <@Derakon> | Night, Consul. Sleep well. |
| 05:57 | < Consul> | Tomorrow is a busy day. Cleaning and detailing the cars. DIY. |
| 05:57 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 05:58 | <@Derakon> | Tomorrow my brother gets married. |
| 05:58 | < Consul> | Ooh, have fun! |
| 05:58 | <@Derakon> | I plan to! |
| 05:58 | <@Derakon> | Though the one-hour drive to and from the location isn't so great. |
| 05:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon: I can't get it to run. I installed the cython package, now I get "error: Cython does not appear to be installed on platform 'posix'" |
| 06:00 | <@Derakon> | Ergh, I got that a lot too...lemme try to remember how I fixed it. |
| 06:00 | <@Derakon> | Are you running Jetblade with the same python you installed Cython under? |
| 06:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | just tried python 2.6 as well as python 2.5 |
| 06:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 2.6 gives a slightly different error |
| 06:02 | <@Derakon> | The shebang is for /usr/local/bin/python2.5, though I recognize many people won't actually have that installed. |
| 06:02 | <@Derakon> | What's 2.6's error? |
| 06:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/pyximport/pyximport.py:23: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead |
| 06:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | import imp, ihooks, glob, md5 |
| 06:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | error: Cython does not appear to be installed on platform 'posix' |
| 06:03 | <@Derakon> | Heh. That's the same error, but with an added deprecation warning for more fun. |
| 06:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yeah, at first I edited it to be /usr/bin/python2.5, then I switched to giving python2.5 on the command line and reverted the shebang |
| 06:03 | <@Derakon> | Damn...I had to do a bunch of little tweaking to get it working, but I can't remember what it involved. |
| 06:04 | <@Derakon> | Hrm...did Cython install properly? ISTR it might need a special directory made for it. |
| 06:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | no freaking clue. I installed the package |
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| 06:05 | <@Derakon> | Ah. I installed from source. |
| 06:07 | <@Derakon> | Man, I just can't brain right now. |
| 06:07 | <@Derakon> | I spent like four and a half hours driving today. |
| 06:07 | <@Derakon> | Sorry. :\ |
| 06:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | wtf is giving that error message.. |
| 06:08 | <@Derakon> | I recall it being distinctly unhelpful. |
| 06:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | aha, found the fucker. It's a multiline string |
| 06:14 | <@Derakon> | Ahh, naturally. |
| 06:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | if PyrexError == None: |
| 06:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | raise DistutilsPlatformError, \ |
| 06:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ("Cython does not appear to be installed " |
| 06:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | "on platform '%s'") % os.name |
| 06:15 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and that's a delayed error because.. some part of Cython couldn't be imported |
| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | Sounds like an installation failure, then. |
| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | IIRC I had to manually make a directory somewhere in /usr for it when I installed...though my brain could be lying to me. |
| 06:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | sounds like.. isn't |
| 06:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | File "/home/rhamph/src/jetblade/animationmanager.py", line 5, in <module> |
| 06:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | from vector2d import Vector2D |
| 06:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ImportError: No module named vector2d |
| 06:17 | <@Derakon> | It says that because vector2d hasn't been compiled yet. |
| 06:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | WOOOHOO! GO PYTHON! Miserable import fucker! |
| 06:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | you named a module "platform" |
| 06:17 | <@Derakon> | Oh, that's right! |
| 06:17 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, that should be gone now. |
| 06:17 | <@Derakon> | Renamed it to floatingplatform |
| 06:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I just did a hg pull and hg update |
| 06:18 | <@Derakon> | I guess hg update doesn't delete the old versions of moved files? *blink* |
| 06:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | said it did |
| 06:18 | <@Derakon> | Oh, but the pyc file was still there. |
| 06:18 | <@Derakon> | And that's enough to import off of. |
| 06:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | was just gonna say that |
| 06:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yup |
| 06:18 | <@Derakon> | Bloody things... |
| 06:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | /home/rhamph/src/jetblade/vector2d.c:3802: warning: implicit declaration of function 'PyBool_CheckExact' |
| 06:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | lead to |
| 06:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ImportError: /home/rhamph/src/jetblade/_pyxbld/lib.linux-x86_64-2.5/vector2d.so: undefined symbol: PyBool_CheckExact |
| 06:19 | <@Derakon> | Okay, I haven't seen that one before. |
| 06:19 | <@Derakon> | Sounds like your gcc is more strict than mine. |
| 06:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gcc (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) 4.3.3 |
| 06:20 | <@Derakon> | i686-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5370) |
| 06:21 | <@Derakon> | Looks like http://trac.cython.org/cython_trac/ticket/134 |
| 06:22 | <@Derakon> | Or http://www.mail-archive.com/cython-dev@codespeak.net/msg04592.html |
| 06:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Cython version 0.10.3 |
| 06:22 | <@Derakon> | Use 0.11, or I can change bool to bint. |
| 06:25 | | * Derakon taps his foot while Mercurial figures out what files he's changed. |
| 06:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | from vector2d cimport Vector2D |
| 06:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | from vector2d import Vector2D |
| 06:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ^ |
| 06:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 06:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | /home/rhamph/src/jetblade/polygon.pyx:5:21: Assignment to non-lvalue 'Vector2D' |
| 06:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | changed it to bint myself |
| 06:26 | <@Derakon> | ...okay, that's just weird. |
| 06:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Is there supposed to be two imports? What's it mean? |
| 06:27 | <@Derakon> | Going off of http://docs.cython.org/docs/sharing_declarations.html , cimport only grabs C data types/functions/variables, so if you want to grab both those and Python types you need both statements. |
| 06:28 | <@Derakon> | For example, the PerimeterOrder and NEWSPerimeterOrder variables in vector2d.pyx are pure Python. |
| 06:28 | <@Derakon> | ...okay, I seem to be unable to push the bint change...getting HTTP errors / broken pipes. Bah. |
| 06:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | works with the second import commented out |
| 06:31 | <@Derakon> | What the Christ. Okay, I've made a note. Thanks. |
| 06:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | my impression is you only need the normal import for the python objects.. or, from the bottom of that doc page, python methods on a C object |
| 06:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I don't think either apply |
| 06:32 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, but on the off-chance that I did need to import a Python object, adding the import statement seemed harmless... |
| 06:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | should be |
| 06:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | may be new in 0.11 |
| 06:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hee, I got stuck! |
| 06:33 | <@Derakon> | Fortunately this is only an issue in Cythonized modules. |
| 06:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | wait, it actually hung |
| 06:33 | <@Derakon> | Accessibility code hasn't been touched in over a month now. |
| 06:34 | <@Derakon> | And I think I took out the "whoops, you're stuck, better zip you" code when I refactored physics. |
| 06:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | tried to pull up onto a 1-wide ledge only 2-tall. Not enough room to stand up so it put me lower down, crawling, halfway in a wall.. then hung |
| 06:34 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 06:34 | <@Derakon> | Forced-crawling code is also badly in need of updating. |
| 06:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | File "/home/rhamph/src/jetblade/quadtree.py", line 163, in runTerrainCollisionDetection |
| 06:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | game.map.collideObject(object) |
| 06:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | File "/home/rhamph/src/jetblade/map.py", line 1079, in collideObject |
| 06:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | lowerRight = poly.lowerRight.add(loc).toGridspace().add(Vector2D(2, 2)) |
| 06:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | KeyboardInterrupt |
| 06:35 | <@Derakon> | I've mostly been testing enemy logic in the handwritten arena map (data/mapgen/maps/arena.map). |
| 06:35 | <@Derakon> | Which is a very boring place. |
| 06:36 | < Rhamphoryncus> | bluh, hung it again. Oh well. |
| 06:37 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, it just needs to zip you if you get stuck, and then instead of hanging you'll get a nonfatal glitch. |
| 06:37 | < Rhamphoryncus> | shouldn't get stuck in the first place.. but that's just me ;) |
| 06:38 | <@Derakon> | Yup. |
| 06:38 | <@Derakon> | In other words, when you fail, which you shouldn't, you should fail gracefully. :) |
| 06:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | well, true |
| 06:39 | | * Rhamphoryncus concedes defeat ;) |
| 06:39 | <@Derakon> | There's a bunch of hard problems, and I only have so much attention to devote to the project. |
| 06:41 | | * Rhamphoryncus nods |
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