| --- Log opened Tue Jul 14 00:00:20 2009 |
| 00:03 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:05 | | crem [~moo@Nightstar-28703.adsl.mgts.by] has joined #code |
| 00:05 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:14 | | AnnoDomini [AnnoDomini@Nightstar-29687.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: I am Yulaw! I am nobody's bitch! You - are mine.] |
| 01:56 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: ] |
| 01:57 | | Vornicus [~vorn@ServicesOp.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 01:57 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 03:08 | | Attilla [~The.Attil@92.11.7.ns-26496] has quit [Quit: <Insert Humorous and/or serious exit message here>] |
| 03:54 | | Vornicus is now known as Phas |
| 06:06 | | Syloqs-AFH [Syloq@ServicesAdmin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] |
| 06:11 | | Phas [~vorn@ServicesOp.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 06:12 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 06:12 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 07:58 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: ] |
| 07:59 | | Vornicus [~vorn@ServicesOp.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 07:59 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 08:18 | | AnnoDomini [AnnoDomini@Nightstar-29687.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Code |
| 08:18 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by ChanServ |
| 09:18 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 10:26 | | Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@Nightstar-7168.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] |
| 10:50 | | Thaqui [~Thaqui@121.98.166.ns-22683] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 11:06 | | Thaqui [~Thaqui@121.98.166.ns-22683] has joined #code |
| 11:06 | | mode/#code [+o Thaqui] by ChanServ |
| 11:12 | | Attilla [~The.Attil@92.11.7.ns-26496] has joined #code |
| 11:12 | | mode/#code [+o Attilla] by ChanServ |
| 12:36 | | Thaqui [~Thaqui@121.98.166.ns-22683] has quit [Client exited] |
| 15:02 | | Attilla [~The.Attil@92.11.7.ns-26496] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 15:30 | | Oregano [~The.Attil@92.11.7.ns-26496] has joined #code |
| 15:51 | | Vornicus [~vorn@ServicesOp.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 16:51 | | Oregano is now known as Attilla |
| 17:41 | | Syloqs_AFH [~Syloq@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 17:42 | | Syloqs_AFH is now known as Syloqs-AFH |
| 17:45 | | AnnoDomini [AnnoDomini@Nightstar-29687.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 17:49 | | AnnoDomini [AnnoDomini@Nightstar-29280.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Code |
| 17:49 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by ChanServ |
| 19:15 | <@McMartin> | I am conflicted. On the one hand, Vista completely changed how Services work and as a result the code I've been fighting for the past three days doesn't work on it (though it does on XP). |
| 19:15 | <@McMartin> | On the other hand, Vista's design is clearly the right one. |
| 19:18 | | * SmithKurosaki facepalms |
| 19:22 | | TarinakyKai [~Tarinaky@Nightstar-16638.plus.com] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 19:25 | | TarinakyKai [~Tarinaky@Nightstar-16638.plus.com] has joined #code |
| 19:25 | | Thaqui [~Thaqui@121.98.166.ns-22683] has joined #code |
| 19:25 | | mode/#code [+o Thaqui] by ChanServ |
| 19:31 | | Netsplit DeepThought.NY.US.Nightstar.Net <-> Blargh.CA.US.Nightstar.Net quits: Attilla, @MyCatVerbs, @AnnoDomini, @Thaqui, @Reiver, crem, TarinakyKai, Alek, @GeekSoldier, jerith, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: Chalain, Reiver, Alek |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o Chalain] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: GeekSoldier |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o Reiver] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: MyCatVerbs |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o GeekSoldier] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: jerith |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o MyCatVerbs] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: Attilla |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o jerith] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: AnnoDomini |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o Attilla] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: TarinakyKai, Thaqui |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by ChanServ |
| 19:34 | | Netsplit over, joins: Consul |
| 19:34 | | mode/#code [+o Thaqui] by ChanServ |
| 19:35 | | Consul is now known as NSGuest-1352 |
| 19:43 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 19:44 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 19:49 | | NSGuest-1352 [~Consul__@Nightstar-3329.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] |
| 20:16 | | Consul [~Consul__@Nightstar-3329.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #code |
| 20:16 | | mode/#code [+o Consul] by ChanServ |
| 20:40 | | TarinakyKai [~Tarinaky@Nightstar-16638.plus.com] has quit [Ping Timeout] |
| 20:45 | | Tarinaky [~Tarinaky@Nightstar-16638.plus.com] has joined #code |
| 20:57 | | crem [~moo@Nightstar-28703.adsl.mgts.by] has joined #code |
| 20:57 | | Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@Nightstar-7168.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #code |
| 21:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Argh. Hate it so much when I know I've written a piece of code, but can't for the life of me find the bugger... |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | Preach it |
| 21:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Aha, got it. |
| 21:19 | <@McMartin> | find | xargs grep to the rescue? |
| 21:21 | <@TheWatcher> | grep -ri "foo" . actually, but yeah |
| 21:23 | | * McMartin has to go the find route because he need to exclude **.svn**. |
| 21:26 | | * TheWatcher nods |
| 21:27 | <@TheWatcher> | I've yet to decide which versioning system to use. Largely because, in my not very humble opinion, they all appear to be various shates of utter crap |
| 21:27 | <@TheWatcher> | *shades |
| 21:27 | <@SmithKurosaki> | You have anything against git? |
| 21:27 | <@McMartin> | That's why they're all named after personality defects or disasters. |
| 21:28 | <@Consul> | A lot of the complaints I've heard against git is that it's popular only because it's fashionable. I myself wouldn't know. I've only ever used svn. |
| 21:29 | <@McMartin> | The technical arguments against it have largely been "it's very slow, and it encourages development habits I don't like" |
| 21:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Consul: and AFAICT svn is only popular because it's fashionable. As was cvs before it. Etc. |
| 21:30 | <@Consul> | Heh |
| 21:30 | <@Consul> | For a long time, cvs was the only game in town, unless you wanted to pay $$$$ for something. |
| 21:30 | <@McMartin> | CVS was a wrapper around RCS that made it actually useful. |
| 21:31 | <@McMartin> | Because it was one of the first systems where you could actually have more than one person have the code checked out at once. |
| 21:31 | <@McMartin> | SVN added knowledge of advanced concepts like "directories" to it. |
| 21:31 | <@TheWatcher> | (because, when you get down to it, most of svn's touted 'advances' over cvs are cumbersome, awkward, or nearly broken.) |
| 21:31 | <@Consul> | So, why is git getting so popular? |
| 21:32 | <@McMartin> | git's big advantage over svn is nominally handling of branches, but (a) SVN has gotten better at this in 1.5 and 1.6 and (b) debate still rages about whether promiscuous branching is even a good idea |
| 21:32 | <@Consul> | Promiscuous Branching shall be tonight's band name. |
| 21:32 | <@McMartin> | Pre 1.5, SVN's handling of branches was actively incorrect. |
| 21:32 | <@McMartin> | In the "did not integrate changes properly" sense. |
| 21:34 | < Alek> | oh god |
| 21:34 | < Alek> | http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html |
| 21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Even if you don't like promiscuous branching git's handling of it is still orders of magnitude better than SVN; having branches part of the history respresentation rather than a tacked-on convention will do that. |
| 21:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm also not sure how it's considered slow when, IIRC, it comes out ahead of SVN, hg and darcs most of the time. |
| 21:39 | <@McMartin> | Because most people use it to conncet to Google Code, I suspect. |
| 21:39 | <@McMartin> | Which is run on a hamster wheel |
| 21:40 | | * AnnoDomini giggles at Headshoots. |
| 21:43 | <@SmithKurosaki> | Anno, link to headshoots pleae |
| 21:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3125076&userid=0&perpag e=40&pagenumber=1 |
| 22:19 | | Vornicus [Vornicus@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Quit: ] |
| 22:20 | | Vornicus [~vorn@ServicesOp.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 22:20 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 23:39 | | parityruc [~8uvtoo@117.85.145.ns-23401] has joined #code |
| 23:39 | | parityruc [~8uvtoo@117.85.145.ns-23401] has left #code [] |
| --- Log closed Wed Jul 15 00:00:35 2009 |