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| 00:47 | | * Vornicus-Latens fights with Windows printing in general now. |
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| 00:59 | | * McMartin discovers The Carnivore Bit. |
| 00:59 | <@McMartin> | 0x0008. |
| 00:59 | <@McMartin> | When cleared, it turns 0xBEEF into 0xBEE7 |
| 00:59 | <@Derakon> | I thought it was seven that ate nine... |
| 00:59 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 01:01 | <@Consul> | 0xB16B00B5 ? |
| 01:04 | <@Derakon> | Hmm...I can't remember if the CodeWar core was written in hex or not...if it is, it'd be amusing to write a virus that overwrote core with 0xDEADBEEF. |
| 01:05 | <@McMartin> | Byte array |
| 01:05 | <@McMartin> | 0 was the classical munition though |
| 01:05 | <@Derakon> | ...the Wikipedia entry for CodeWar was deleted. ;.; |
| 01:06 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | BEE7? |
| 01:06 | <@Derakon> | Oh, wait, I want "CoreWar", not "CodeWar". |
| 01:06 | <@Derakon> | Vorn: beef -> beet. |
| 01:06 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | ...ah |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I have no idea why that printer isn't working. |
| 01:12 | <@McMartin> | What's going on? |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Or, rather, why Windows doesn't like to think it exists. |
| 01:12 | <@McMartin> | How are you installing it? |
| 01:12 | | * McMartin has, as it happens, done black magick with PrintUi32.dll |
| 01:13 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | It /was/ working - I'm using the generic postscript driver thing because the printer itself is on a mac. |
| 01:13 | <@McMartin> | I have not yet graduated to Blyk Magyq, though. |
| 01:13 | <@McMartin> | Mm. So it's a printer share? |
| 01:13 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | And, indeed, from the moment I run the driver thing to the moment I log out, I (but only I) can print. |
| 01:13 | <@McMartin> | Oho! |
| 01:14 | <@McMartin> | It's probably being installed under your account instead of under All Users. |
| 01:14 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | except that it shows up under all users' printer lists. |
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| 01:15 | <@McMartin> | Hm. |
| 01:15 | <@McMartin> | I wonder if it's a permissions issue of some kind, then. |
| 01:15 | <@McMartin> | Does DbgView show anything interesting? |
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| 01:18 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | What is dbgview, and how do I use it here? |
| 01:18 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | -- note, after I log out, I can no longer use the printer either. |
| 01:18 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Which is to say, that it doesn't stay around. |
| 01:19 | <@McMartin> | DbgView is Windows's conceptual equivalent of OS X's Console.app |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | Google it; it's one of the SysInternals. |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | Basically, if there's any debugging messages in the drivers they'll pop up in there if you set it to capture Kernel. |
| 01:20 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | ok |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | I'm not sure what's going on, but it sounds like something's screwy with the network setup |
| 01:21 | <@McMartin> | Another fun incantation to explore will be "rundll32 printui.dll,PrintUIEntry /?" |
| 01:22 | <@McMartin> | The /? will pop up the rest of the commands |
| 01:22 | <@McMartin> | You might be able to prod it with something there. |
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| 01:34 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | And of course running the installer from someone else's username doesn't work either. |
| 01:38 | | * Vornicus-Latens examines, has absolutely no idea what he's looking at. |
| 01:40 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Why the hell is printing so goddamn complicated? |
| 01:45 | <@Derakon> | People stopped improving it once networked documents became feasible~ |
| 01:49 | <@McMartin> | The software-level API is basically Done and has been for ages. |
| 01:49 | <@McMartin> | You get a drawing context, you do things to it, you tell the OS to print it, you shrug. |
| 01:49 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | And yet I can't get this to do anything for me at all. |
| 01:49 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, that's the part where you shrug~ |
| 01:50 | <@McMartin> | This sounds like a networking or firewall issue to me |
| 01:50 | <@McMartin> | Or, possible, the Mac being stupid. |
| 01:50 | <@McMartin> | I had some trouble where Carlsbad was helpfully rerouting all my print requests to a printer that hadn't been plugged in in three weeks instead of to the active, waiting network printer. |
| 01:50 | <@McMartin> | And telling the app that the print job was a success. Thanks! |
| 01:51 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | If anybody other than me uses the driver thing, it says that the printer name I have given it isn't valid. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | That's interesting. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | What's the name? |
| 01:57 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | \\GERMAIN\HP PSC 1400 series |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | Mm. |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | What happens if you drop the machine name? |
| 02:00 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Same thing. |
| 02:01 | | * McMartin dunno |
| 02:01 | <@McMartin> | Maybe the Mac is being case sensitive? |
| 02:02 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I odn't think so. |
| 02:08 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | It shows up on the PC's network thing as GERMAIN |
| 02:08 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | and with that case |
| 02:19 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | It would be nice if I could get errors other than "That operation is not permitted" |
| 02:23 | | * McMartin meant the printer, not the machine |
| 02:26 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | That's the correct case. |
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| 04:46 | < Reiv> | Okay, so, uh |
| 04:46 | < Reiv> | What exactly is a 'data model pattern'? |
| 04:47 | < Reiv> | We're meant to be making a presentation about one tomorrow. |
| 04:47 | < Reiv> | This is to be a 90minute presentation. We were given the assignment yesterday. |
| 04:47 | < Reiv> | We weren't actually told *what these things are*, just given a book with five examples of them. |
| 04:47 | < Reiv> | help? >_> |
| 04:48 | <@Derakon> | Hm. Wikipedia knows not. That's not a good sign. |
| 04:52 | < Reiv> | *I* know not, and I'm presenting tomorrow >.< |
| 04:53 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, but usually Wikipedia's a good source for technical stuff like this. |
| 04:53 | <@Derakon> | Second hit on Google for "data model pattern" is "data-model-pattern torrent search results. Bittorrent downloads listed here. Download your favorite torrents at Torrent Reactor." |
| 04:55 | < Reiv> | Yeeah, no |
| 04:56 | <@Derakon> | I think what you want is just plain "data model", e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_model |
| 04:57 | | * Reiv glances, cries. |
| 04:57 | < Reiv> | First line: "A data model in software engineering is an abstract model that describes how data is represented and accessed..." |
| 04:57 | < Reiv> | software engineering? This is a goddamn database paper. |
| 04:57 | < Reiv> | Yet all we have learned all semester is software engineering techniques. |
| 04:58 | <@Derakon> | They're closely interrelated. |
| 04:58 | < Reiv> | The only database stuff we've even looked at was PL/SQL. Which was barely taught and most people don't understand it. |
| 04:58 | <@Derakon> | You need to know how data will be used to know how to design your tables, what keys to have, what constraints to enforce, etc. |
| 04:58 | <@Derakon> | Which isn't to say that I don't deeply empathize with you. |
| 04:58 | < Reiv> | We weren't taught even that. I can only assume we were meant to learn about it as part of doing the group work assignments... or something... |
| 04:59 | <@Derakon> | Incidentally, did anything come out of talking with the dean/dept. chair/whatever? |
| 05:00 | < Reiv> | "That sounds... odd. I'll have to ask what they're doing. Now, your options for learning database stuff is..." |
| 05:00 | < Reiv> | I've been offered a directed study if I can find a suitable lecturer, or the possibility to talk to people about doing a 5th level paper and counting it for a 3rd level one. |
| 05:01 | < Reiv> | The only problem I see on that point is that 5th level = masters papers, and you can be damn sure they'll expect you to /know the third year stuff/ |
| 05:01 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 05:04 | < Reiv> | So I dunno. |
| 05:05 | < Reiv> | Attempts from the student rep to talk to her have generally left her apparently quite upset; so others haven't dared try personally. |
| 05:07 | <@Derakon> | Sounds like she knows she's screwed up and is having difficulty facing it. |
| 05:07 | <@Derakon> | Alternatively, the student rep is undiplomatic. |
| 05:09 | < Reiv> | Oh, he's plenty diplomatic. |
| 05:09 | < Reiv> | He went about suggesting that we had the courses name changed to reflect what we learned instead of what was written down. |
| 05:10 | < Reiv> | The subtle undertone there I leave to the intelligent reader. |
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| 22:30 | | * Vornicus-Latens javascripts. |
| 22:30 | | * jerith FORTRANs. |
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| 22:53 | | * Consul Brainfu**s |
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