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| 00:55 | <@Derakon> | I had cause to use an outer join today at work. |
| 00:55 | <@Derakon> | I'm kinda surprised it worked on basically the first try. |
| 00:55 | <@Derakon> | (Normally I only ever use implicit inner joins) |
| 00:57 | | * Vornicus used an outer join to fix a problem with a student's (very basic, this is a 1-semester MS Office course) database yesterday. |
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| 01:44 | <@Derakon> | Vorn, McM -- do your OSX PyGame installs work from the commandline, or are you using an IDE, or what? |
| 01:44 | < Vornicus> | I run from command line, generally, yes. |
| 01:45 | <@McMartin> | I don't actually run PyGame in OSX. |
| 01:46 | <@Derakon> | I can see a bunch of stuff in /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py game, but "import pygame" gives "No module named pygame". |
| 01:48 | < Vornicus> | odd. |
| 01:51 | <@Derakon> | Do you know how to get Python to output its library include path? |
| 01:52 | < Vornicus> | sys.path |
| 01:52 | <@Derakon> | Ah hah. |
| 01:53 | <@Derakon> | It's looking under 2.3. |
| 01:53 | <@Derakon> | And with good reason. Time to upgrade~ |
| 01:53 | < Vornicus> | Heh |
| 01:54 | <@Derakon> | ...okay, WTF do I download from here? http://www.pythonmac.org/packages/ |
| 01:55 | < Vornicus> | ...uh. |
| 01:56 | | * Derakon downloads the source to Python 2.6.1 instead, will try compiling that. |
| 01:56 | < Vornicus> | I don't know, I use the source. |
| 01:57 | <@Derakon> | Yay, setup.py has a syntax error. |
| 01:57 | <@Derakon> | Maybe ./configure will fix that. |
| 02:09 | <@Derakon> | Of course, python 2.6 also doesn't see the 2.5 libs. >.< |
| 02:09 | <@Derakon> | What's the appropriate way to modify its include paths? |
| 02:13 | < Vornicus> | Dunno. |
| 02:16 | < Vornicus> | but there's #python on Freenode for a reason. |
| 02:16 | <@Derakon> | Heh. Fair enough. |
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| 02:56 | | * Derakon eyes documentation. "What is usually meant by "..." in *nix/" |
| 02:56 | <@Derakon> | E.g. ".../site-packages/". |
| 02:56 | <@Derakon> | Is that two levels up? |
| 02:57 | < Vornicus> | I've never seen "..." |
| 02:57 | < Vornicus> | .. yes, but not ... |
| 02:59 | <@McMartin> | They might mean ../../site-packages, I guess |
| 03:01 | <@Derakon> | #python says that "..." means "whatever happens to be above the site-packages directory". |
| 03:01 | <@Derakon> | Which is usage I've never seen before, but oh well. |
| 03:33 | <@Derakon> | There doesn't appear to be a version for 2.6. |
| 03:33 | <@Derakon> | Mischan. |
| 03:34 | < Vornicus> | if you used ./configure && make && make install or whatever, it should be /usr/local/lib/python2.6 or something like that, or at least last time I did this |
| 03:39 | <@Derakon> | What's your OS version, Vorn? |
| 03:41 | < Vornicus> | Tiger latest |
| 03:41 | <@Derakon> | Er, is that 10.5? |
| 03:41 | <@Derakon> | I can never remember which cat is which. |
| 03:41 | < Vornicus> | 10.4 |
| 03:46 | <@Derakon> | Anyway, found out that I'd actually successfully installed Python 2.5 awhile back...and it can use pygame. |
| 03:46 | <@Derakon> | So that's something. |
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| 04:55 | <@Derakon> | I have to keep suppressing my semicolon instinct. |
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| 05:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Heh |
| 05:15 | | * Derakon makes a block bounce around on the screen. |
| 05:15 | <@Derakon> | Right. Next stop: Zweihander. >.> |
| 05:15 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Haskell cures you of that. ;P |
| 05:15 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Pity that Python doesn't have something like Haskell's layout rule, really. |
| 05:15 | <@Derakon> | This was a basic animation test, MCV. |
| 05:15 | <@Derakon> | Proving that Pygame is capable of handling the display side of things, at least. |
| 05:16 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Hrmn? No, I mean it cures you of wanting to put semicolons everywhere. |
| 05:16 | <@Derakon> | Ahh. |
| 05:16 | <@MyCatVerbs> | It's syntax is unusually well designed. |
| 05:16 | <@MyCatVerbs> | You can lay out code using curlies and semicolons, {;}, or alternatively use the indentation sensitivity. |
| 05:18 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Because it has both, it mostly shuts up the "zomg significant whitespace sux!" fools, and makes it possible (in some rare-ish cases) to push things into one-liners that'd otherwise be spread out over three or four. |
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| 05:19 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Snafu. |
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| 05:19 | <@Derakon> | Last I saw was MCV extolling the virtues of Haskell's syntax with an improper use of apostrophes. ;) |
| 05:19 | <@MyCatVerbs> | s/It's/Its/ (fuck you, English language, and I'm glad I don't speak German) |
| 05:19 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 05:20 | <@MyCatVerbs> | IMO Python would be cooler if it had both indentation and curly braces, because then people wouldn't bitch about it. |
| 05:20 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Plus in Haskell everybody just uses the indentation sensitivity almost exclusively, so it's not like it impacts readability either. Downside is it makes the grammar more complex. |
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| 05:57 | <@Derakon> | Right, mouse input works. |
| 05:57 | <@Derakon> | I have everything I need. |
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| 06:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pygame is pretty awesome. |
| 06:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | I avoid looking at it while I work on (?luasdl), it's kind of intimidating~ |
| 06:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the plus side, I've now finished: mouse and keyboard input, WM control, basic drawing, image loading, and surface to surface blits |
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| 09:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | "Let me put it to you this way: each time somebody searches for something, vB has to go through a couple MILLION threads looking for those exact search terms. It can handle one person searching. It can handle one hundred people searching. It can not, unfortunately, handle a couple thousand people searching at once. If we were to let everybody search, there would be no forums left because the database server would take its own life by throw |
| 09:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | ing itself onto the I-5." |
| 09:55 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 09:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | What is this, RPG.net? |
| 10:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Something Awful, actually. |
| 10:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Ah, the place you pay for everything. |
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| 13:44 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Obviously the solution is indexing |
| 13:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | No, no, you missed the part where SA wants your money. |
| 14:10 | < Vornicus-Latens> | well, yes, but |
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| 16:39 | <@McMartin> | I suspect the solution is to be part of a large, dedicated, distributed server farm, which would cost more than they're getting by gatekeeping the functionality in the first place. |
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| 17:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: quite. |
| 17:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Search was in fact originally open to all. Then the forums crashed and crashed and crashed some more and they took it offline for maintenance for a few aeons. |
| 17:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Now it's back, but only for Platinum users (another $10 on top of the base $10 registration fee) |
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| 20:46 | < eth0> | hello |
| 20:46 | | * jerith routes packets through eth0. |
| 20:48 | < eth0> | xD |
| 20:48 | < eth0> | jerith leet h4x0r |
| 20:50 | < eth0> | heh |
| 20:50 | < eth0> | i come for help |
| 20:54 | < Alek> | just say what you need. >_> |
| 20:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | eth0: I will gladly help you. I was always in favour of euthanasia. |
| 20:57 | < eth0> | lol |
| 20:57 | < eth0> | no anything about gt bot |
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| 20:58 | <@Paperclip> | You seem to have problems speaking English. |
| 20:59 | < eth0> | ? |
| 21:00 | <@McMartin> | Foolish, useless Office Assistant! |
| 21:00 | <@McMartin> | This is written text! |
| 21:00 | <@McMartin> | I do not wish to turn on vision-impaired assistance! |
| 21:02 | <@Paperclip> | It appears you are a Communist Traitor: a) Just terminate me now. b) Here are the names of my co-conspirators... |
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| 23:19 | < eth0> | lol |
| 23:23 | <@Paperclip> | An illiterate ent. How curious. |
| 23:24 | < eth0> | b0ts |
| 23:25 | <@Paperclip> | I take that to mean that you are interested in learning about bots. |
| 23:25 | < eth0> | i know all about bots |
| 23:25 | < eth0> | :/ |
| 23:26 | < eth0> | i know how u were made |
| 23:26 | < eth0> | funny thing is i heard this name before :Vladimir |
| 23:26 | <@Paperclip> | How droll. You have failed the Turing Test. |
| 23:28 | < eth0> | :/ |
| 23:28 | < eth0> | Paperclip u r leet h4x0r |
| 23:28 | < eth0> | xD |
| 23:28 | < eth0> | i luv u |
| 23:29 | <@Paperclip> | No. I would rather die than to think of myself that way. |
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| 23:50 | < eth0> | Paperclip |
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| 23:52 | | * Paperclip performs the Sign of the White Hand and goes to sleep. |
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| --- Log closed Sat Dec 13 00:00:34 2008 |