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| 00:32 | | * Serah pokes Vornicus. |
| 00:33 | < Vornicus> | ?? |
| 00:34 | <@Serah> | Euler tonight? |
| 00:35 | < Vornicus> | Oh. I'm working on #51. |
| 00:35 | <@Serah> | I like listening to you mumbling about it. |
| 00:35 | | * McMartin prods Vorn with RR |
| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | Serah: There's a channel for it. |
| 00:36 | <@Serah> | Oh, right. |
| 00:36 | | * GeekSoldier points to #projecteuler |
| 00:36 | <@Serah> | Didn't get saved. |
| 00:36 | <@Serah> | To save... whowas it? |
| 00:36 | | * Vornicus is prodded. |
| 01:36 | <@McMartin> | Man. |
| 01:36 | <@McMartin> | Except for the whole 64-bit thing so far my Ubuntu 8.10 experience is vastly superior to the Fedora-10 one. |
| 01:40 | <@Consul> | Really? My experience is the opposite. |
| 01:43 | <@McMartin> | F10 keeps failing to render my menubar properly. |
| 01:43 | <@Consul> | Interesting. |
| 01:44 | <@McMartin> | Some of this may be because it was originally installed on a 4:3 monitor and now has a 16:10 one attached. |
| 01:44 | <@McMartin> | But Ubuntu ate that flawlessly. |
| 01:44 | <@Consul> | Ubuntu 8.10 for me was horribly broken. Even the text editor kept crashing. |
| 01:44 | <@Consul> | It's weird how different things fail for different people. |
| 01:45 | <@McMartin> | F10 has also been locking up X regularly, but that may be Pulseaudio bullshit. |
| 01:45 | <@McMartin> | (The Ubuntu machine has no sound) |
| 01:45 | <@Consul> | FC10 has been nearly flawless for me so far. I had to compile my own ALSA drivers for my sound card. That's about it. |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | I'll give it some time to stabilize, I guess. |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | The 64-bit-ness is a total override on that machine, but as long as I've got two, I'm fine as long as one works. |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | I'm just noticing that I'm spending far more time on the Ubuntu machine now because it's more pleasant. |
| 01:46 | <@Consul> | Ubuntu is definitely the way to go if you're new to Linux. |
| 01:47 | <@McMartin> | Or, as it turns out, if you're running it in a VM. |
| 01:48 | <@McMartin> | F10 also kernel-panics regularly on boot inside VirtualBox. |
| 01:48 | <@McMartin> | But if you're heavily into VBox, you're using Ubuntu anyway because the two are joined at the hip. |
| 01:49 | <@Consul> | I don't do any virtualization, at least none that I know of. |
| 01:50 | <@Consul> | I did download a C64 emulator, but it runs ar 300 or so times the speed of the original, which makes it useless. |
| 01:52 | <@McMartin> | Uh. Which one? |
| 01:52 | <@McMartin> | VICE has excellent timer support. |
| 01:52 | <@Consul> | Frodo. It was the first one I stumbled across |
| 01:53 | <@McMartin> | Ah. |
| 01:53 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. VICE. |
| 01:53 | <@McMartin> | It's the only one that's seen continuous development, or, really, any at all of note in the past four years or so. |
| 01:53 | <@McMartin> | I used to use CCS, but VICE caught up. |
| 01:54 | <@Consul> | Well, does a C64 emulator really need continuous development once it can run everything? |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | None of them yet can. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | Only most things. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | And to run *everything*, CCS had to start emulating things like the VIC-II chip at the logic gate level. |
| 01:54 | <@Consul> | I only wanted it for the novelty value anyway. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | Which I think VICE does not in fact do. |
| 01:54 | <@McMartin> | And thus, VICE will not run all demos. |
| 01:55 | <@McMartin> | Becuase yes, C64 programmers were and are that crazy. |
| 01:55 | <@Consul> | Oh, believe me, I know. |
| 01:55 | | * McMartin actually needed his emulators for his own retrocoding. |
| 01:55 | <@McMartin> | I heartily recommend VICE, which also will emulate all the 8-bit CBM machines. |
| 01:55 | <@McMartin> | http://viceteam.org/ |
| 01:57 | <@Consul> | Ah, this looks much more polished. Says I have sound fragment problems, though. |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | That means your SID playback will stutter a little due to CPU overload, most likely. You can live with it or dial down the BPS. |
| 01:59 | <@McMartin> | If it goes completely silent, switch the sound output to "none", then back. |
| 01:59 | <@McMartin> | Also, http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/retro/ |
| 02:00 | <@Consul> | YAY! VICE remapped the keyboard, too. |
| 02:00 | <@McMartin> | Yes. <# |
| 02:00 | <@McMartin> | <3, even |
| 02:01 | <@McMartin> | (The sad, sad thing: When I first started up CCS, my first command was "POKE 53280, 6" and I knew from memory what it would do.) |
| 02:01 | <@Consul> | Yep, I remember that one. |
| 02:01 | <@Consul> | I always had to change the screen colors. |
| 02:02 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: <3 C= even. ;) |
| 02:03 | <@Consul> | I also really hated the automatic question mark prompt with the input statement. |
| 02:03 | <@Consul> | You have to write the kernel to RAM to solve that one, though. |
| 02:04 | <@McMartin> | Or roll your own with GET. |
| 02:04 | <@McMartin> | Oh, and the most important keys: |
| 02:04 | <@McMartin> | RUN/STOP is Esc, RESTORE is PgUp. |
| 02:05 | < Vornicus> | yay run/stop restore |
| 02:05 | <@McMartin> | And I have no idea how they did it, unless it's actually a result of a misfeature in the KERNAL code, but you have to jam on the PgUp key just as hard to get the damn sequence to work. |
| 02:06 | <@McMartin> | The best theory I have is that since RESTORE was wired directly to NMI, you had to luck out and hit it while the keyboard scanner was in a position to notice that RUN/STOP had been hit. |
| 02:09 | <@Consul> | Rolling my own input isn't something that would've occurred to me at 11. |
| 02:13 | <@McMartin> | But yeah. If you really want to live the dream, the retro link on my site has at the top a VICE-readable version of all the programs from the old manual. |
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| 02:15 | <@McMartin> | VICE also has my favorite ridiculous-yet-sensibly-named application ever. |
| 02:15 | <@McMartin> | "petcat" |
| 02:15 | < Vornicus> | Hee. |
| 02:16 | <@McMartin> | Which concatenates its input into the format that the PET and its decendants expect. |
| 02:17 | <@McMartin> | (The programs themselves in that package were pulled from an ASCII version of an OCR of the manual, cleaned up in emacs, and then petcat'd into actual .PRG files.) |
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| 02:44 | <@Consul> | This USB wifi dongle is slower than the game console wifi adapter I was using before. :-/ |
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| 02:59 | <@Consul> | Well, eth0 was still up. Turning it off seems to have helped. |
| 03:22 | <@Serah> | What happened to the rafbn pastebin? |
| 03:22 | <@Serah> | Was it rafbn? |
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| 03:23 | <@gnolam> | rafb |
| 03:24 | <@Serah> | Why is the pstebin in the topic there insteaad of rafb's? |
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| 03:31 | <@McMartin> | Argh, what the Hell, Fedora. |
| 03:32 | <@McMartin> | Why can you not recognize that the monitor is 16:10? Why do you insist on 4:3 resolutions... |
| 03:32 | <@McMartin> | ... and when you finally provide the monitor-native res, why do you pillarbox it, smooshing everything into a 4:3 space |
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| 04:23 | <@Alek|gone> | mcm: bad drivers, of course! |
| 04:23 | <@Alek|gone> | also, widescreen is typically 16:9 not :10 |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | Not on monitors it isn't. |
| 04:24 | <@McMartin> | And the answer appears to be "Because X 1.5 is wildly optimistic about how well it can configure things." |
| 04:35 | <@McMartin> | Not only is system-config-display not available by default, it has no idea how to deal with the monitor, either, thinking it can only support 640x480. |
| 04:35 | <@McMartin> | Seriously tempted to migrate Zinglon over to 64-bit Ubuntu and just bite the bullet on it. |
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| 04:53 | | * Derakon ponders object models for a color-matching game. |
| 04:54 | | * Serah giggles at linux. |
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| 05:09 | <@Derakon> | Okay, this is a) clearly wrong, and b) hilarious. http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/proj/blocks.html |
| 05:11 | <@Derakon> | And I'm starting to come to the conclusion that Javascript is not yet ready for color-matching games. |
| 05:11 | <@Derakon> | Unfortunately, Javascript's my rapid-prototyping language of choice for things with UIs...so, what, learn Flash? :\ |
| 05:11 | <@McMartin> | Learn Pygame~ |
| 05:12 | <@Derakon> | Pygame's a Python wrapper around the SDL, right? |
| 05:13 | <@McMartin> | Yes. |
| 05:15 | <@Serah> | At least they fade now. |
| 05:16 | <@Derakon> | Because they don't do it as soon as the page finishes loading, yes. |
| 05:16 | <@Serah> | And they fall. |
| 05:16 | <@Serah> | Not correctly, but they fall. |
| 05:16 | <@Derakon> | That would be why it's clearly wrong and hilarious. |
| 05:18 | <@Derakon> | Using Pygame requires installing pygame, and I am Not Impressed by OSX's package manager, because it doesn't exist. |
| 05:19 | <@McMartin> | This is, admittedly, a true thing. |
| 05:19 | <@Serah> | I know I know! But I am in the wrong crowd to be saying OSX SUCKS! (But it does.) |
| 05:19 | <@Derakon> | OSX does many things right, and many other things wrong. |
| 05:19 | <@Derakon> | As is true for all OSes I know of. |
| 05:20 | <@Derakon> | On that note, anyone know how to, in Ubuntu, prevent apps from stealing focus just because they want to show me a dialog box? |
| 05:20 | <@jerith> | All hardware sucks. All software sucks. Some just sucks more than others. |
| 05:23 | <@Derakon> | Ooookay. Nominally I've installed Pygame, but "import pygame" gives an ImportError "No module named pygame". |
| 05:25 | <@Derakon> | Ahh. I think this would be because I got the OSX-style frameworks instead of the *nix-style libraries. |
| 05:28 | | * Derakon downloads Pygame source, is told he needs PyObjC. Which is only available via CVS, whose commands he cannot recall. |
| 05:28 | <@Derakon> | Who the fuck doesn't include a downloadable tarball? I mean, seriously. |
| 05:51 | < Vornicus> | I got pyobjc without using cvs... |
| 05:53 | < Vornicus> | I htought anyway |
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| 23:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which makes more intuitive sense to newbies: per-pixel alpha, or per-surface alpha with colorkeys? |
| 23:56 | < Vornicus> | "per-surface alpha"? |
| 23:56 | < Vornicus> | What, like GIF does? |
| 23:57 | < Vornicus> | In that sense, I would definitely say per-pixel alpha. |
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