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| 00:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | The version I head is "where the men are real men, the women are real men, and the children are FBI agents." |
| 00:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, re 200 books/year: I went through about a book a day in high school, as far as paperback fiction (200-400 pages) was concerned. |
| 00:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | These days less so, but that's due to increased workload thanks to work and university; if I had neither I could easily exceed that. |
| 00:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure how plausible 2000 books from age 4 to 14 is, but 200 books/year is, if anything, low |
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| 00:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | As for today's taste in books, the tragic decline in literacy, etc, etc: what did you read when you were 14? |
| 00:27 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:28 | <@TheWatcher[T-2]> | TF: The one that sticks in my mind most from then? The Silmarillion. |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | I never got around to reading that. |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I did manage to force my way through LotR. |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Twice. |
| 00:30 | <@TheWatcher[T-2]> | The only thing I can say about it is that it left... an impression. Also, that he was on some good drugs. |
| 00:30 | <@Consul> | At 14, I had read Neuromancer. I had difficulty understanding it though. I understand a lot of people did. |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | So had I, as well as all the other Gibson I could lay hands on. It was tasty. |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the other hand, I was also big into Wheel of Time. |
| 00:32 | <@Consul> | I had read Red Planet by Heinlein. |
| 00:32 | <@Consul> | I can't remember much else. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Haven't read that. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, on the other hand, was excellent. |
| 00:32 | <@Consul> | By 19, I had read just about all of Eddings. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and Have Space Suit, Will Travel was shit) |
| 00:32 | <@Consul> | Oh, I was reading the Xanth novels. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | I read the Belgariad, but never managed to find a complete set of his other series. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh god, Xanth |
| 00:32 | <@Consul> | That was when I was 14016 or so. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was briefly interested in those |
| 00:32 | <@Consul> | 14-16 |
| 00:34 | <@Consul> | I got bored with the Xanth novels. They got too stupid, even for me. |
| 00:34 | | * TheWatcher[T-2] notes he's never read any gibson. Or heinlein. |
| 00:34 | <@Consul> | By 19, I had also read his Incarnations of Immortality. Stopped at book five, and haven't been motivated to pick up any Anthony since. |
| 00:36 | <@Consul> | And 200 books a year is almost 4 a week. I would say that's an extremely high rate for even an avid reader unless reading books is their job. |
| 00:36 | <@gnolam> | TheWatcher: read Neuromancer. And Burning Chrome. You may skip the rest. |
| 00:37 | <@gnolam> | For Gibson, that is. |
| 00:37 | <@Consul> | Oh, crap! I forgot! I had read all of the available Hitchhiker's Guide series by 14. |
| 00:37 | <@gnolam> | The only two Heinlein books I enjoyed were "Starship Troopers" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". |
| 00:37 | <@Consul> | I read "Stranger In a Strange Land" recently and liked it. |
| 00:38 | <@gnolam> | I found that one... utterly without merit. |
| 00:38 | <@Consul> | Even if it was essentially about scientology, in a roundabout way. |
| 00:38 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:39 | | * gnolam can't for the life of him remember what he read at 14. |
| 00:39 | <@Consul> | The ending could've been better. |
| 00:39 | <@gnolam> | Then again, my "year memory" is awful. |
| 00:41 | <@gnolam> | I can never say in which year something occurred unless I can tie it to something I can easily calculate (e.g. "Hmm, that was the same year I moved out, so... hmm... what age was I then... that plus my birth year... ah, 1998!") |
| 00:42 | <@gnolam> | I know I'd read all my dad's Frank Herbert books by 13 though. |
| 00:42 | <@gnolam> | In English. |
| 00:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Then I realized it was the same few books, endlessly repeated, with incresingly terrible puns and gratuitious sex with ittttttttttttttteach iteration |
| 00:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | They tried to block me from laptop access in lab 004. |
| 00:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fools. |
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| 00:55 | <@gnolam> | So... so... tired... |
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| 03:03 | <@Derakon> | I wish I had a little toy webpage I'd made while at Amazon...it had an example of exactly the thing I'm trying to do right now. >.< |
| 03:06 | <@Derakon> | Ahh, there we go. |
| 03:06 | <@Derakon> | Okay, now everyone can declare themselves ready to start the game. |
| 03:17 | <@Derakon> | ...one more typo there and I would've been trying to execute "SELECT count(*) ASS cunt FROM Player". |
| 03:17 | <@Derakon> | (As it is it was just "ASS") |
| 03:29 | <@McMartin> | >_< |
| 03:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Using the winamp global hotkeys while the jumpto window is open deadlocks it. |
| 03:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I should probably file a bug report. |
| 03:44 | <@Derakon> | Awww, Perl doesn't recognize the &&= operator. |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Surprising~ |
| 03:45 | <@Derakon> | Oh, wait, it does, but I had an "if" right after. Silly me. |
| 03:45 | | * ToxicFrog finds a comical failure of web design on the university library site >.< |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Log in with your U of G Central Login Credentials |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Id: _________ |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Password: ________ |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | [Login] |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | or, log in with your library credentials |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Barcode: ________ |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Name: ________ |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | [Login] |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Guess what the focus order is when tabbing through them? |
| 03:46 | <@Derakon> | Id password barcode name login login? |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yep. |
| 03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | They're different forms, too. |
| 03:46 | <@Derakon> | Funtastic. |
| 03:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | So id<tab>password<tab><enter> attempts to log in with blank barcode and name. |
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| 03:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...and now that I have the right form, the auth server appears to be down anyways. |
| 03:57 | <@Derakon> | Okay, I'm clearly way too tired to be coding right now. |
| 03:58 | <@Derakon> | Annoyingly, this means stopping in the middle of a feature. |
| 03:58 | <@Derakon> | So, note for later: I'm in the middle of handling the "is everyone ready" code and the "sleep until something changed" code. |
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| 09:13 | <@gnolam> | Hah! |
| 09:13 | <@gnolam> | Behold the power of Bullshit. |
| 09:16 | | * AnnoDomini watches the Lolcat Sandman. |
| 09:17 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:17 | <@gnolam> | (I just passed my Software Engineering Theory exam.) |
| 09:20 | | * McMartin takes this opportunity to laugh again at http://www.isbarackobamamuslin.com/ |
| 10:35 | <@gnolam> | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349 |
| 10:52 | <@MyCatVerbs> | jjj |
| 10:59 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Oh oops, wrong window. |
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| 19:36 | <@TheWatcher> | Anyone here up to speed on python 3? |
| 19:49 | <@McMartin> | I've kind of been deliberately ignoring it until it starts being widely deployed. |
| 20:27 | | * TheWatcher nods |
| 20:28 | < jerith> | I know some of the 3isms in 2.6 if that helps... |
| 20:28 | < jerith> | I really like "with", btw. |
| 20:29 | <@TheWatcher> | I had a question from an associate regarding it, and I didn't have an answer (not being a python person). Turns out I managed to track down the answer, and was reminded of one reason I dislike python >.> |
| 20:47 | <@McMartin> | Is this "enforced indentation style" again? |
| 20:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | jerith: what does "with" do? |
| 20:54 | < jerith> | Resource management. |
| 20:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Expand? |
| 20:54 | < jerith> | with open("somefile") as myfile: |
| 20:55 | < jerith> | do_stuff(myfile) |
| 20:55 | < jerith> | ... |
| 20:55 | < jerith> | At the end of the block, the file handle is closed. |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 20:56 | < jerith> | Behind the scenes, it essentially has a try/finally with resource release in the finally. |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, let...in |
| 20:56 | < jerith> | But that's all part of the resource class. In this case, file. |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | (in scheme) |
| 20:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | or lua's do local end |
| 20:57 | < jerith> | I don't know either of those. |
| 20:57 | < jerith> | This is a pretty general mechanism, though. You can specify different stuff to happen on an exception. |
| 20:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Scheme's let is (let ((a 1) (b 2)) (+ a b)) |
| 20:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | More generally: let (list of variable bindings) (code block) |
| 20:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Other languages have it as, say: let myfile=open("somefile" in do_stuff(myfile) end |
| 20:59 | < jerith> | I have a little Ruby function that replaces stdin and stderr within a block to silence some noisy code that isn't mine. |
| 21:00 | < jerith> | I could do that with Python's "with". |
| 21:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Lua doesn't have either, but you can use block scoping for it, since do...end is a new scope: do local myfile=open "somefile"; do_stuff(myfile); end |
| 21:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | with appears to be the same as let, with the sytax: with names as values: code |
| 21:01 | < jerith> | ToxicFrog: This ensures resource cleanup (or whatever) happens immediately instead of at GC time. |
| 21:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 21:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, so it's not the same as let |
| 21:02 | < jerith> | Also, in the case of my stdout/stderr thing above, it lets you trivially wrap some code in something. |
| 21:02 | < jerith> | In a syntactically clean way. |
| 21:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nod. |
| 21:06 | | * ToxicFrog writes a little script to re-encode arbitrary video files to be playable on an eeepc, then mux them to MKV |
| 21:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | mkvmerge's -D option is delicious. |
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| 21:27 | < gnolam> | AnnoDomini: hey, your literate friend made a quick stop in #Nightstar_Bar. |
| 21:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | The 14 year old? |
| 21:43 | < gnolam> | That's the one. |
| 21:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | I seep. |
| 22:10 | <@TheWatcher> | I'd recommend getting some cream for it, then |
| 22:10 | <@TheWatcher> | and maybe a bandaid |
| 22:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | :] |
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| 23:05 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
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