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| 05:20 | <@Derakon> | ...holy shit. I think I've been using Ircle for almost a decade now. |
| 05:20 | <@Derakon> | (Wrong channel, whoops) |
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| 17:02 | <@gnolam> | Argh. |
| 17:02 | <@gnolam> | I just found myself longing for Lisp again. |
| 17:03 | <@gnolam> | Now where did I put that cordless drill? I need to purge these thoughts... |
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| 17:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why? |
| 17:45 | <@gnolam> | Because it is (madness)! |
| 17:46 | < Reiver> | (Madness?) |
| 17:49 | < C_tiger> | gnolam, a drill is so barbaric. The current accepted practice is to stick two sterile electrodes up your eye sockets and run about 1000 V between them. |
| 17:54 | <@gnolam> | Reiver: madness, only more Lisp-y. |
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| 19:29 | | * McMartin transports the Slackware 12.1 ISO between machines by burning it to a DVD and re-ripping it, because it's actually more convenient that way. |
| 19:29 | <@McMartin> | Boo lousy upload speeds |
| 21:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | Virtual PC is nifty. |
| 21:05 | < Shoukanjuu> | >_> |
| 21:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | Couldn't you...like |
| 21:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | Move it across the network |
| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | I have 40KB/sec uplink. |
| 21:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | Are they not on the same network? |
| 21:06 | <@AnnoDomini> | And how massive is the ISO? |
| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | Indeed not. |
| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | 4.5GB |
| 21:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | Ow. |
| 21:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | I see you period. |
| 21:07 | <@McMartin> | It's a DVD |
| 21:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | I'd do that, too |
| 21:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | burn and re-rip |
| 21:07 | <@McMartin> | Really, I'd normally just burn and use directly, but I kind of want the ISO. |
| 21:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Blades of Avernum crashes occassionally if I run it on my box here, but not if I run it in VPC. |
| 21:09 | <@McMartin> | Heh. I know TF was using VirtualBox for Dwarf FOrtress purposes, too. |
| 21:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | Hmm. |
| 21:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | I remember virtual PC |
| 21:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | That was way back when, though. With my beige G3. |
| 21:10 | <@McMartin> | I figured he was talking about MS's Windows-on-Windows program. |
| 21:10 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, it was called Virtual PC |
| 21:10 | < Shoukanjuu> | iirc, Microsoft got uppity |
| 21:10 | < Shoukanjuu> | And it went off the market |
| 21:12 | | * McMartin hears Parallels has a Windows version now too, but doesn' tknow how well it works. |
| 21:12 | < Shoukanjuu> | Of course, I was younger and didn't pay attention. I just know it was there, for the Mac at least, and then I heard Microsoft had something to do with the project getting shut down. Now there's Fusion and the like |
| 21:13 | <@McMartin> | That's VMWare |
| 21:13 | < Shoukanjuu> | Yes. |
| 21:13 | | * McMartin would generally say that VMWare and VirtualPC seem to be the best-tested, with VirtualBox closing the ranks fast |
| 21:13 | <@McMartin> | And I have no idea about Parallels |
| 21:14 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, I tried Parallels to see how Direct X worked there |
| 21:14 | < Shoukanjuu> | And it corrupted my VMWare partition o.o; |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | DirectX support tends to be terrible unless the host is Windows. |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | ... Awesome. Duly noted. |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | For DirectXness, Crossover is I believe the current state of the art, and it's meh |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | Though it will run Portal. |
| 21:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | My guess...I used my Bootcamp partition for VMWare |
| 21:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | Adn then tried to use the same for parallels |
| 21:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | Then it wouldn't run in either |
| 21:16 | <@McMartin> | Crossover is essentially the commercial, D3D-focused port of Wine |
| 21:16 | < Shoukanjuu> | Parallels crashed for me, and VMWare said Parallels was still using it, so it couldn't use the partition either |
| 21:16 | < Shoukanjuu> | I see |
| 21:16 | < Shoukanjuu> | Fun. |
| 21:16 | < Shoukanjuu> | It works, now, but I had to destroy parallels. With fire. |
| 21:21 | < Shoukanjuu> | It might have been common sense to not do that, but hey. |
| 21:21 | < Shoukanjuu> | If it can be done, someone will do it |
| 21:24 | <@McMartin> | VirtualBox can read VMDKs: I've actually set up disks that run in both it and VMWare. |
| 21:24 | <@McMartin> | (Windows Host, Linux Guest, not that I expect the former to matter) |
| 21:26 | < Shoukanjuu> | Sounds good. Is VirtualBox a community sort of thing? |
| 21:27 | <@McMartin> | It's Sun's, but they have an open-source edition. |
| 21:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ooh. |
| 21:27 | <@McMartin> | From my personal experience with it, the OSE is unusable unless someone else does a bunch of work, so if you get OSE, get it from a distro. Otherwise stick with teh closed-source one, which ships with more toys anyway. |
| 21:28 | < Shoukanjuu> | Mmm. |
| 21:29 | < Shoukanjuu> | I'd suppose it's a word of mouth thing that makes it reach others. I get constant emails for VMWare and Parallels |
| 21:29 | <@McMartin> | It's a lot younger. |
| 21:30 | <@McMartin> | 2.0 came out something like two weeks ago. |
| 21:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ohh. That explains it. |
| 21:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | Now you've piqued my interest. I shall do what I do best, and watch. Wait. |
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| 23:26 | <@McMartin> | (Also, to clarify, the 'unless someone else does a bunch of work' part means 'SVN checkout is pretty lolno, but it seems to work if you apt-get or yum install it from the usual suspects" |
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