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| 13:30 | < ErikMesoy> | ToxicFrog: Reporting something odd about that TA torrent. Total Annihilation Singleplayer Campaign.rar always loses a few bits when I force a re-check, and then seems to complete normally when I start the torrent again. |
| 13:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | This sounds like a problem with either your torrent client or the media you're downloading it to. |
| 13:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | I do know it's not a problem with the torrent itself; several other people have downloaded the entire thing successfully. |
| 13:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, to answer your earlier question: no, with one exception in the expansion. |
| 13:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | The tech levels go: commander -> basic buildings and tier 1 factory -> tier 1 units and constructor -> tier 1 buildings and tier 2 factory -> tier 2 units and advanced constructor -> tier 2 buildings |
| 13:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | The exception is that in the expansion, for CORE only, this becomes: |
| 13:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | tier 2 buildings and krogoth gantry -> krogoth |
| 13:47 | < NSGuest-7219> | uhm |
| 13:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although some mods and unit packs add more tier 3 units. |
| 13:47 | < NSGuest-7219> | i finished the download of TA from another site |
| 13:47 | < NSGuest-7219> | how I just put those up on my website so you can grab them directly? |
| 13:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | ftp, generally |
| 13:48 | < gnolam> | Hah! My MacGyver(TM) cooling worked! The computer didn't crash under load, despite this hellish heat! |
| 13:49 | < gnolam> | Although... I don't think an ice cube tray inside the computer case is a long-term solution. |
| 13:49 | < ErikMesoy> | lol |
| 13:49 | < NSGuest-7219> | D: |
| 13:51 | | NSGuest-7219 is now known as Doctor_Nick |
| 13:52 | | Doctor_Nick is now known as NSGuest-7234 |
| 13:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | ErikMesoy: if this keeps happening, all I can really suggest is try downloading it to different media, and run fsck and badblocks on the device you're downloading it to |
| 13:52 | < NSGuest-7234> | dammit |
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| 13:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | The fact that the torrent client marks it as complete means that it's receiving the correct data; somewhere between it buffering that chunk and the chunk being read back from disk, it's getting damaged. |
| 13:54 | < NSGuest-7234> | ErikMesoy: the upload'll be finished in two hours if you want to stick around for that |
| 13:56 | < ErikMesoy> | Maybe. So far I have an upload ratio of >3 on TF's torrent anyway. |
| 13:57 | < ErikMesoy> | I've got everything from it except movies. |
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| 15:43 | < Doctor_Nick> | ErikMesoy: its done |
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| 15:45 | < Doctor_Nick> | can I get aop so I don't have to ask for it every time? |
| 15:46 | < Doctor_Nick> | doctor-nick.net/TA/ |
| 15:46 | < Doctor_Nick> | the isos are there |
| 15:47 | < ErikMesoy> | They look curiously small. |
| 15:47 | < Doctor_Nick> | ? |
| 15:47 | < Doctor_Nick> | one has the play data and the other has the video |
| 15:47 | < ErikMesoy> | 285M, 246M; iirc one CD can hold more than that. |
| 15:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | TACC not included, and they're probably missing the music |
| 15:48 | < Doctor_Nick> | TACC is going up right now |
| 15:48 | < Doctor_Nick> | itll be done in about 4 minutes |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not sure if the version of TACC in the torrent will play nice with an OTA install from iso, but it should if you install TA:M first |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | But the whole reason I built these modules in the first place is that properly installing TA and TACC from disk is a pain in the ass |
| 15:48 | < ErikMesoy> | I'll have to get it later, though; internet connection here is going to be out for a while. |
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| 15:52 | < Doctor_Nick> | also, Total annihilation works fine on Wine |
| 15:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Indeed. |
| 15:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Doctor_Nick: I note that the reason I constructed this torrent as I did, rather than just seeding the ISOs, is to make TA *easy to install* - you just unpack and play, and it comes pre-patched and with the mod manager installed. |
| 15:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Eventually I hope to add the music to it, too. |
| 15:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | (also, are those ISOs respins?) |
| 15:57 | < Doctor_Nick> | i dont know, probably |
| 15:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because normally, one of them contains multiplayer data, and the other contains singleplayer + movies, and they both share unit data and whatnot. |
| 15:58 | < Doctor_Nick> | right |
| 15:58 | < Doctor_Nick> | Let me see if I can't get this rar to finish |
| 15:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Several other people have finished it successfully, and I've verified that the files on my end are intact |
| 15:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | So I really do think there's something wrong with his USB key |
| 15:59 | < Doctor_Nick> | why did he put it on a usb key |
| 15:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because the system he downloads torrents on is not the same one he games on, IIRC |
| 16:02 | < Doctor_Nick> | the tracker that the TA Modular torrent is on seems to be down |
| 16:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tracker? There's four. |
| 16:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | And at least one of them (open.tracker.thepiratebay.org) is up, or was last time ktorrent checked. |
| 16:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yep, it's still working. |
| 16:03 | < Doctor_Nick> | fuck |
| 16:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm seeing 2 seeds, 3 leeches. |
| 16:03 | < Doctor_Nick> | resizing the transmission window caused X to shit itself |
| 16:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | If transmission supports multitracker torrents, it should pick this up eventually. |
| 16:04 | < Doctor_Nick> | I think it does |
| 16:04 | < Doctor_Nick> | Ok, it sees two peers now |
| 16:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah - so you're the Transmission user who shows up from time to time but never stays around! |
| 16:05 | < Doctor_Nick> | probably |
| 16:06 | < Doctor_Nick> | This would probably have gone better if I had just started it on my dedicated torrent box :/ |
| 16:14 | <@AnnoDomini> | Fuck. How do you TURN OFF Vista rather than SUSPENDING it? |
| 16:14 | <@AnnoDomini> | Ah, there. |
| 16:15 | < Doctor_Nick> | unplug the computer |
| 16:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | A curiously apt solution. |
| 16:16 | < Doctor_Nick> | i've also suspended when i've wanted to shut down in vista many times |
| 16:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | God damn Microsoft and laptop designers. They are making the operation of purposefully formatting everything rather more difficult than required. |
| 16:16 | < Doctor_Nick> | in the end i just uninstalled vista |
| 16:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | That's what I want to do! |
| 16:17 | < Doctor_Nick> | because it's a lousy piece of shit operating system |
| 16:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes. |
| 16:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now, what do you press at boot-up to go to BIOS options in a Dell laptop? |
| 16:18 | < Doctor_Nick> | in general, I just randomly mash the escape and function keys |
| 16:18 | < Doctor_Nick> | usually that does it |
| 16:20 | <@AnnoDomini> | There... some weird ass options here. Now where's the bloody... there. That might be what I want. |
| 16:20 | < Doctor_Nick> | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:20 | <@AnnoDomini> | FORMAT! |
| 16:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | I note for future that holding down the power button for 5-10 seconds will do a hard power off. |
| 16:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, that's what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 16:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | I imagine that what you're trying to do right now is boot from optical drive or from USB? |
| 16:21 | <@AnnoDomini> | That would work. |
| 16:21 | <@AnnoDomini> | I wouldn't mind formatting it beforehand, though. |
| 16:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...well, generally, that's what you do to format it |
| 16:22 | <@AnnoDomini> | Aha! There. The proper BIOS config. |
| 16:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | How were you planning to do it? |
| 16:23 | <@AnnoDomini> | Under sane operating systems, there's an option to just load a simple command line OS or something. Type format c: and you're gold. |
| 16:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...I can't think of any OS that gives you this option. |
| 16:24 | <@AnnoDomini> | Win98. |
| 16:24 | <@AnnoDomini> | WinXP also, IIRC. |
| 16:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Neither of which will let you format the partition you're currently running off of. |
| 16:24 | | * AnnoDomini shrugs. Boot floppy! |
| 16:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | What do you want to install on it anyways? |
| 16:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Most installers, including the 2k and XP install discs and all linux install environments I'm aware of, come with a way to format and repartition the drive. |
| 16:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | So you might as well just boot the install media for the OS you want on it, and format from there. |
| 16:26 | <@AnnoDomini> | Problem is there's already a Vista installation here. I've had problems with completely wiping and existing Windows installation with a Windows installer before. |
| 16:27 | < Doctor_Nick> | it wouldn't let you do it? |
| 16:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | I forget the details, but it didn't give me the option. Just "upgrade existing windows, yes?" |
| 16:28 | < Doctor_Nick> | oh |
| 16:28 | < Doctor_Nick> | Was the install cd you had just an upgrade CD? |
| 16:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | No, it was a normal installation CD. |
| 16:28 | < Doctor_Nick> | oh |
| 16:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it's for 2k or XP, it should first give you partitioning/formatting options |
| 16:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it doesn't, it's not actually an install CD |
| 16:29 | < Doctor_Nick> | and if you're still having problems with that, i would try a linux live cd |
| 16:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | The interface isn't that great, but it lets you delete and create partitions, and format existing ones, before choosing which one to install windows to |
| 16:30 | <@AnnoDomini> | There. Got the thing to boot from the CD. |
| 16:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | o_O |
| 16:33 | < Doctor_Nick> | twitter default avatar |
| 16:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay, this is absurd. The WinXP disc did not find any HDDs on my laptop. |
| 16:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | SATA drives? |
| 16:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | The XP installer doesn't support SATA. |
| 16:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Great. |
| 16:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | My options at this point? |
| 16:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | You need either a floppy with the drivers, or use something like nLite to generate a custom spin with the drivers on the CD. |
| 16:35 | < Doctor_Nick> | ToxicFrog: would XP with SP3 have the needed drivers? |
| 16:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | The former is probably easier if it has a floppy drive and the drivers will fit on it; the latter will let you generate a customized disc pre-configured with stuff like product key and device drivers. |
| 16:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Doctor_Nick: no clue. I know the SP2 install discs don't. |
| 16:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | I generate custom spins for all my XP installs, so. |
| 16:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | The laptop apparently does not feature an FDD. |
| 16:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | AnnoDomini: if you go the floppy route, just find out what driver you need and put it (the .inf and .sys files, typically) on the floppy; if you go the nlite route, grab it from nliteos.com and use the "add drivers" option on those files |
| 16:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you google, there are tutorials on generating custom XP discs that support SATA drives using nLite |
| 16:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I have to go for a bit now |
| 16:37 | | * AnnoDomini nods. |
| 16:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm looking at one right now. |
| 16:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | (alternately, just install linux on the laptop~) |
| 16:37 | | * gnolam still wonders why XP's installer ONLY supports floppies for SATA/RAID drivers. |
| 16:37 | < Doctor_Nick> | i agree with toxicfrog's suggestion |
| 16:38 | < Doctor_Nick> | gnolam: because microsoft drags its ass about doing anything |
| 16:38 | < gnolam> | If it runs, it's already mounted the CD. So why not the CD drive? Or a USB drive (USB input devices work fine during install)? It's one of those "You've got to be kidding me" moments when you first discover this. |
| 16:38 | < Doctor_Nick> | AnnoDomini: torrent places have custom XP pro spins that have the SATA drivers added in |
| 16:39 | < Doctor_Nick> | gnolam: i just throw up my hands and say "welp, microsoft" |
| 16:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | Doctor_Nick: Good idea. I'll try search it up. |
| 16:41 | < gnolam> | Oh well, at least it works better than Ubuntu's boot thingy prior to 6.something?. Halfway through it choked, complaining that there was no CD drive. |
| 16:42 | < gnolam> | I had to stare at that one in disbelief for a while as well. |
| 16:42 | < gnolam> | "No CD drive? What the hell do you think you were just booting from!!" |
| 16:42 | < Doctor_Nick> | ? |
| 16:43 | | * AnnoDomini finds an nLite-prepared disk. One minor problem is the removed support for non-English characters. :E |
| 16:44 | < Doctor_Nick> | ugggggh |
| 16:44 | < Doctor_Nick> | i hate it when they do that |
| 16:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | Why the fuck did they feel the need to remove that? |
| 16:44 | < Doctor_Nick> | save space |
| 16:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | Fuck that, non-English people also use computers. |
| 16:44 | < Doctor_Nick> | I couldnt install japanese support because someone did that |
| 16:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | I hope there's an option of reinstalling those. |
| 16:45 | < gnolam> | Slipstream it yourself. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 16:45 | < Doctor_Nick> | I would find another cd |
| 16:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have several other CDs. |
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| 16:45 | <@gnolam> | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slipstreaming+xp&btnG=Search |
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| 16:45 | <@Doctor_Nick> | http://www.ozzu.com/mswindows-forum/slipstream-sata-drivers-into-windows-pro-ins tall-t28824.html |
| 16:48 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'll just install foreign language support later. There should still be the option of that, given the actual drives on other CDs. |
| 16:49 | <@Doctor_Nick> | AnnoDomini: I wasn't able to for mine |
| 16:49 | <@Doctor_Nick> | ymmv, though |
| 16:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | Eh. If I won't be able to, then I'll probably go find another CD. |
| 16:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | (I don't need Japanese, mind.) |
| 16:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | I wonder if by "All Languages With Non-English Characters" they mean "non-Latin characters" or actually what it says. |
| 16:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | I wouldn't be surprised in the former case. |
| 16:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Really, slipstreaming it yourself isn't hard. |
| 17:02 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm sure, but the CD I'm looking at seems to have several nifty things included in it. I might just live with the bloody lack of Japanese characters. |
| 17:05 | | * AnnoDomini finds a newer version of the CD, which seems to include the bloody languages. |
| 17:06 | <@Doctor_Nick> | yay |
| 17:06 | | * ToxicFrog idly increments the "reasons why pirated versions of windows are superior" counter |
| 17:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Besides that you don't have to pay an absurd amount of money, give up your privacy, etcetera? :P |
| 17:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Quite. |
| 17:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Basically, you pay less for a product that is in every way superior. |
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| 18:32 | <@Shoukanjuu> | \o/? |
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| 19:00 | <@Shoukanjuu> | So, old-ish news, but suspected 'terrorists' are given habeus corpus so they can get a fair trial. Huh. Apparently they don't like that. You know, fair trials |
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| 19:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, Republicans tend not to. |
| 19:33 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Of course, I learned long ago not to listen to Fox for anything, ever |
| 19:34 | <@Shoukanjuu> | So when they say it's a bad idea.. |
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| 21:11 | | * ToxicFrog sighs at #lua. |
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| 21:56 | | * TheWatcher hms |
| 21:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Recommendations for cross-platform xml parser (and preferably writer) for c/c++? I'm tempted to just go with libxml2, but... |
| 22:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | I would ask if you're looking for DOM or whatever the other one is, but I don't know of any for C/++ except expat, which is terrible. |
| 22:24 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmm. |
| 22:24 | <@AnnoDomini> | Any specific things I need to take into account when creating NTFS partitions for WinXP, rather than FAT? |
| 22:25 | <@AnnoDomini> | (In other words, what's the difference from the partition creating point of view?) |
| 22:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | None, just make sure you get the partition ID right or windows will bitch and whine. |
| 22:26 | <@AnnoDomini> | Meaning? |
| 22:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Each partition has a system ID associated with it, indicating in the partition table what the contents are. |
| 22:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Typically, each filesystem has a different ID. |
| 22:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Windows gets really pissy if the ID in the partition table doesn't match the actual contents of the partition. |
| 22:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you're using the partitioner/formatter in the XP installer, it'll handle this for you, so don't worry about it; same if you're using gparted |
| 22:27 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay, then. |
| 22:31 | | * AnnoDomini curses Open Office for its GUI bugs. |
| 22:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 22:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | It has too many to list, but in this particular instance, I'm trying to produce a <br> in the top-left cell of a table. |
| 22:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Naturally, OO interprets this as adding <br> BEFORE the table. |
| 22:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | I've worked around this by copying <br> and pasting it in the cell. This worked. |
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| 23:06 | <@Reiver> | Ugh. Graphics card shopping hurts my brain :( |
| 23:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | What are you looking for? |
| 23:09 | <@Reiver> | Something low-cost to go in my parents machine, without being obsolete technology wise. I haven't a flying clue what's even remotely current, these days, which makes the damn things somewhat hard to shop for. |
| 23:09 | <@AnnoDomini> | Does that box sport an AGP slot? |
| 23:10 | <@Reiver> | PCI-E 16. |
| 23:10 | <@Reiver> | So it'll be a reasonably modern card. I just don't know what sort is a decent buy. |
| 23:10 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay, then... I'd suggest some sort of GeForce 7600. |
| 23:11 | <@Reiver> | hm. |
| 23:11 | <@Reiver> | GS/GT make any difference? |
| 23:11 | <@AnnoDomini> | GS is cheaper, GT is better. |
| 23:11 | | * Reiver knows nada about GeForce chip. |
| 23:12 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have myself a GT version for the AGP, and it works well enough. |
| 23:12 | <@Reiver> | How old is it, technology wise? |
| 23:12 | <@Reiver> | I'm running a Radeon 1650 Pro at the moment. |
| 23:14 | <@Reiver> | I wouldn't want anything older than that era, preferably, on the basis that ... hrm, how to put it |
| 23:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Are they going to be gaming on this thing? |
| 23:14 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have no idea how old Radeon 1650 Pro is. |
| 23:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Upper mid range, three generations ago |
| 23:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, sorry |
| 23:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Two generations ago |
| 23:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hell, up to a few months ago, I was using a Riva TNT 32. Which was 10 years old. |
| 23:15 | | * Reiver winces |
| 23:15 | <@Reiver> | I had one of those! |
| 23:15 | <@Reiver> | In my bloody Pentium II! >_> |
| 23:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | My original PC runs^Wwalks briskly on a Riva 128. |
| 23:16 | <@Reiver> | TF: Not really. But ... er, a little bit. Also they keep grumbling about Vista, despite my best efforts, so it wants to handle that pile of overhead, and it needs to support all the fancy wismos of modern cards. |
| 23:16 | <@Reiver> | Mostly so it sounds good when I tell my parents >_> |
| 23:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | It strikes me that if they keep complaining about vista, the solution is to install something other than vista, not waste money on a bigger video card. |
| 23:17 | <@Reiver> | (They like to buy a machine once, and even if it runs slower than a narcoleptic snail on hemmaroids, it needs to be able to *run* shit, for a long time to come, see.) |
| 23:17 | <@Reiver> | TF: I know this! But they insist, so what the hell. |
| 23:17 | <@Reiver> | I'm just the guy building the thing. ;) |
| 23:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | Reiver: Install WinXP with a Vista skin. |
| 23:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | Tell them not. |
| 23:18 | <@Reiver> | Anno: I know this too! However, I Think we're getting off track. |
| 23:18 | | * Reiver ahems. |
| 23:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes, yes. |
| 23:18 | <@Reiver> | As of last week, their computer went *paf* |
| 23:19 | <@Reiver> | They have thus told me to make them a new one. |
| 23:20 | <@Reiver> | I am trying to find a low-cost setup using ~modern generation hardware that I can throw together, then throw at them in exchange for cost to fufill my duties as Well Behaved Son. |
| 23:21 | <@Reiver> | Any reccomendations on GFX cards (and indeed, motherboards/CPUs [I prefer AMD generally]) to be looking at? |
| 23:22 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm fairly content with my Gigabyte motherboard with a Sempron processor. |
| 23:22 | | * Reiver nods. |
| 23:22 | <@AnnoDomini> | To find a cheap modern card, I'd stride up to the local store, ask what they've got cheapest on stock for $slot. |
| 23:23 | <@AnnoDomini> | "Is this thing any good?" questions optional. |
| 23:25 | <@Reiver> | Alas, my local [And very nearly /only/] store is notorious for inconsistent pricing, and the lack of english-speaking technicians, else I'd have already done pretty much exactly that. |
| 23:27 | <@Reiver> | Of course, the lack of local shops is because the muggles all go and buy their hardware from !Horrible_Overpriced_Chain_Store_With_Fischer_Price_Packaging, while everyone who knows what they're doing gets it ordered from auckland/wellington via online websites, so... |
| 23:27 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'd tell you to check your price range on eBay, only I remember what a GUI eBay has. |
| 23:28 | | * Reiver laughs. |
| 23:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | allegro.pl is much better for us here. |
| 23:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | What's your price range, by the way? |
| 23:29 | <@AnnoDomini> | In dollars or euro, please. |
| 23:29 | <@Reiver> | And my price range, as is traditional for my Helpful parents, is 'as cheaply as can be done while still buying hardware that can run Whatever(tm), technologically speaking, for as long as possible'. |
| 23:29 | <@AnnoDomini> | One hundred american dollars? |
| 23:30 | <@Reiver> | So I'm pretty much just aiming for the sweetspots in pricing. Which is fine except it means I have to find the fucking things~ |
| 23:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | CPUs: I believe the Core 2 is currently the top of the heap, but the Athlon 64 X2s are cheaper and still quite decent, and if you get an AM2+ motherboard you have an easy upgrade path to the Phenom. |
| 23:30 | <@AnnoDomini> | Er. Make that two. I just remembered what the price of a dollar is. |
| 23:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Graphics, you might actually want to check out the THG monthly feature "the best video cards for the money" |
| 23:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which uses US pricing, I think, but still makes a decent guideline |
| 23:30 | <@Reiver> | five-seven hundred dollars, I think. However, local pricing can be pretty wonky. |
| 23:30 | <@Reiver> | Oo. |
| 23:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | That's not cheap, man. |
| 23:33 | | * Reiver hrms, may have miscalculated. |
| 23:33 | <@Reiver> | ... oh, er |
| 23:33 | <@Reiver> | That's 'for the whole box, sans hard drive'. My mistake. |
| 23:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay, that's saner. |
| 23:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Then you really should look into 5-10 year old shite. :P |
| 23:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Buying cheap PSUs isn't a good idea, BTW. Trust me on this. |
| 23:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | And by cheap, I mean old and used. |
| 23:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was able to put together a nearly-cutting-edge gaming machine - including hard drive - for $800 last month, so this is perfectly doable. |
| 23:36 | | * Reiver has a semi-decent PSU, knows that much. |
| 23:37 | <@AnnoDomini> | ToxicFrog: You live in England, right? |
| 23:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Canada. |
| 23:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | I imagine it would have been significantly pricier in England. |
| 23:38 | <@Reiver> | Raedon X1550, GeForce 7200 GS, GeForce 8400 GS - are any of these remotely glance-worthy? |
| 23:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | And even moreso in New Zeland. |
| 23:38 | <@Reiver> | They're all being listed at roughly the same price, locally. |
| 23:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | Reiver: Google each, see how many complaint threads come up. |
| 23:38 | <@Reiver> | heh, fair enough. |
| 23:38 | | * Reiver goes and attempts to dig out their /age/ as much as anything. |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | 1550 is the same era as the 1650, just one step down |
| 23:39 | <@Reiver> | Aha |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | And I *think*, insofar as I understand nV's model numbers, that the 7200 is from the same era and several steps down, and the 8400 is a step down but a generation more recent. |
| 23:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aaand home. |
| 23:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | What I think is they should bloody just name the models after the date they were finalized on or something. |
| 23:40 | <@Reiver> | Thanks, TF |
| 23:41 | | * Reiver totally agrees with Anno. >.< |
| 23:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Aw, gawd. Why the fuck did they put that bright blue LED right at the top of the laptop LCD? |
| 23:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Argh, that thing could damage eyesight. |
| 23:46 | <@AnnoDomini> | Webcam be damned, that thing's way too bright. |
| 23:51 | | * AnnoDomini facepalms. |
| 23:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | "Playing logoff sound..." |
| 23:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | Why? |
| 23:53 | <@TheWatcher> | TF: re xml, I'm probably going to grab and use or modify http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~fvandenb/tools/xmlParser.html |
| 23:53 | <@TheWatcher> | AFPL is not exactly what I'd prefer, but the code looks like it'll do exactly what I want |
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