code logs -> 2008 -> Wed, 11 Jun 2008< code.20080610.log - code.20080612.log >
--- Log opened Wed Jun 11 00:00:12 2008
00:15
< Doctor_Nick>
hey vorn
00:15
< Doctor_Nick>
aw
00:15
< Doctor_Nick>
Vornicus-Latens: when you get back i want to talk to you
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01:23
<@MyCatVerbs>
McMartin: if you're hacking in an LP language then you _do_ have three valued logic, of a sort. Ground truth, ground falsity, and uninstantiated (free!) variables.
01:44
<@ToxicFrog>
LP?
01:44
<@MyCatVerbs>
Logic programming.
01:44
<@ToxicFrog>
Aah.
01:45
<@MyCatVerbs>
Programmation en Logique, etc.
01:45
<@ToxicFrog>
("Oh my god, it's full of s-expressions: Let's Play Lisp!")
01:45
<@MyCatVerbs>
Programmation en Logique, even.
01:45
<@ToxicFrog>
Yes, I am in fact familiar with prolog.
01:46
<@MyCatVerbs>
I suspected as much, but I wanted to put the emphasis in anyway. ^^
01:46
<@MyCatVerbs>
ToxicFrog: am I missing a reference somewhere? I thought the only real similarities between Lisp and Prolog were that they're both homoiconic and very high level.
01:47
<@ToxicFrog>
Not really.
01:47
<@ToxicFrog>
I initially expanded LP to Let's Play, not to logical programming.
01:47
<@ToxicFrog>
*logic, even.
01:47
<@ToxicFrog>
This led inexorably to the idea of Let's Play <programming language here>
01:47
< Shoukanjuu>
We could make mooney off of this.
01:47
< Shoukanjuu>
money, even.
01:48
<@MyCatVerbs>
Mooney sounds more fun.
01:49
<@MyCatVerbs>
It brings forth images of rubber chickens, and people baring their buttocks at the judges in local comedy competitions for cheap laughs. I like this concept and wish to subscribe to its newsletters.
01:55
<@Attilla>
"Hey folks, this is Delphi, sequel to Pascal, and like Pascal you have to use whole words, now let's try to get a Hello World started from pressing a button!"
02:12 * McMartin notes in passing that his article involves stratified Datalog, which is much more constrained and is not in fact Turing Complete
02:14
<@McMartin>
Pah. My domain-specific ultra-HLLs let you have identifiers that are more than one word long.
02:14
<@McMartin>
Put *that* in Pascal's pipe and smoke it
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06:16
< Shoukanjuu>
"Would you find me more attractive if I were more attractive?"
06:17
< Shoukanjuu>
...Nightstar's notices get..odder and odder.
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15:53
<@McMartin>
Blargh. The latest update to X broke one of XMMS's fonts.
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15:57
<@McMartin>
Aha, no sooner do I complain about this, then I find the option to not only fix it but also fix a long-standing additional problem.
15:58
< Doctor_Nick>
fonts in x are a pain
15:58
<@Vornicus>
A lot of stuff in X is a pain.
15:59
< Doctor_Nick>
yeah
16:03
<@McMartin>
These were all entirely XMMS's fault.
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16:07
< Doctor_Nick>
isn't xmms no longer under active development?
16:08
<@Reiver>
Good grief.
16:09
<@Reiver>
Whoever designed MinGW clearly forgot that windows users are thick and like helpful wizards, not unpacking their own files into custom directories.
16:09
<@Reiver>
I mean, it's not like Windows has the handy Linux commands to install required modules cleanly /either/...
16:11
< Doctor_Nick>
i have to type something here? ehhhhhh...
16:12 * Raif blames OSS for all the world's problems.
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<@ToxicFrog>
Reiver: well, two things there
16:14
<@ToxicFrog>
First of all, there is a handy wizard for installing everything automatically
16:14
<@Reiver>
... where?
16:14 * Reiver wants, did not see
16:15
<@ToxicFrog>
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435
16:15
<@ToxicFrog>
Right at the top, "automated mingw installer"
16:16
<@Reiver>
aha, I was not at the sourceforge page.
16:16
<@ToxicFrog>
Secondly, even if this weren't the case, the target audience for mingw is people who want a GNU toolchain and software development environment under windows, and the assumption here is that if you are a software developer, and you want gcc, make, etc, you are unlikely to have problems unpacking zip files
16:18
< Doctor_Nick>
they might just be fed up with Visual Studio :)
16:19
<@Reiver>
I couldn't get Visual Studio to install.
16:19
<@Reiver>
It wanted 1.1 GB of my C: when I told it to install on G:. The bastard.
16:19
<@ToxicFrog>
The installer will also handle MSYS, I think.
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<@ToxicFrog>
Well, in that case, they'd probably be downloading Code::Blocks, DevCPP, or similar, and those come with the parts of mingw they need
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16:26
<@ToxicFrog>
Perhaps one day I'll care enough to write an IDE with decent syntax hilighting support.
16:26
<@McMartin>
The only people harmed by OSS are shareware developers outside of the game industry, who now must limit their marketing to the ignorant~
16:27
<@Reiver>
"Outside the game industry" ?
16:27
< Doctor_Nick>
McMartin: there was an article on slashdot about how OSS has killed off the coding tools market
16:27
< Doctor_Nick>
not that's necessarily a bad thing
16:27
<@McMartin>
Reiver: "Give away the first two levels, sell the rest" is still viable.
16:27
< Doctor_Nick>
free market and all that
16:27
<@Reiver>
Aha.
16:28
<@Reiver>
Incidentally Aquaria is fun
16:28
<@McMartin>
"Pay me for tools inferior to 50,000 vastly superior tools that you can not only get for free but customize and redistribute without restriction" doesn't cut it.
16:28
<@Reiver>
Does it remain so till the end, and just how much more is there?
16:28
<@McMartin>
Not, of course, that the foolish and the ignorant are a small market.
16:28
<@ToxicFrog>
"yes" and "plenty"
16:28 * McMartin is about 20 hours in.
16:29
<@ToxicFrog>
It took me about 24 hours to complete with both endings.
16:29
<@ToxicFrog>
Although much of that was massively over-preparing for the final bossfight.
16:29
<@McMartin>
The overpreparation process is entertaining, so.
16:30
<@ToxicFrog>
Quite so.
16:30
<@McMartin>
(But yes, games in general operate as creative works and therefore the model for 'give some stuff away to make money' is the CC/BFL one.)
16:30
<@ToxicFrog>
BFL?
16:30
< Doctor_Nick>
can someone give me voice or something so i can post urls here?
16:30
<@ToxicFrog>
Oh, yes.
16:30 mode/#code [+ooooo Doctor_Nick EvilDarkLord Shoukanjuu Pi Vornicus] by ToxicFrog
16:31
<@Doctor_Nick>
thx
16:31
<@Doctor_Nick>
can someone give me voice or something so i can post urls here?
16:31
<@Doctor_Nick>
eerrr
16:31
<@Doctor_Nick>
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/10/0228220
16:31
<@McMartin>
TF: Baen Free Library - DRMless but still nominally controlled copies of the *first couple* books in enormous series.
16:31
<@ToxicFrog>
McMartin: yeah, I was actually just there
16:32
<@ToxicFrog>
Downloading some books and the Baen CD Collections for the trip
16:32
<@ToxicFrog>
Sorry, the "oh yes" was "oh yes, now I remember what that stands for", not "oh yes, you can have voice"
16:32
<@McMartin>
que tengas un buen viaje, etc.
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--- Log closed Thu Jun 12 00:00:18 2008
code logs -> 2008 -> Wed, 11 Jun 2008< code.20080610.log - code.20080612.log >